People shaming/gossiping over those in their circle taking ozempic?

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Anonymous wrote:The medications are interesting technology and nobody should be ashamed of using them.

But people acting like they are some kind of martyr still having overcome some huge obstacle while using the medications is compete BS. Same with acting like it’s some Herculean task - particularly having to actually do some form of exercise and eat real food.

It’s like the bozos at Ironman Mexico last year who cut the bike course, went to their hotel, and came back later to triumphantly run through the shoot as if they went under 10 hours. And there were multiples of them.

Don’t do that and don’t act like you’ve accomplished something, and nobody is going to care. At least normal people who don’t GAF what you are doing.

I have done both. It’s litteraly none of your business how people lose weight. It has zero bearing on your life. Why is that so hard to understand?

Can you read? You are right. It is “none of my business.” So in that sense, don’t act like the medications are something they aren’t and don’t broadcast efforts as if you have accomplished something. But doing that, somebody is literally “making it somebody else’s business”

Wow. You are just mad that there is an easier way now.

Why do you prefer that people suffer?

Is this some sort of moral question for you?

Nobody is mad. I was just suggesting that acting like you have accomplished something is disingenuous. Don’t do that and I can assure you most people won’t care.

Do act like you’ve overcome some barrier when you were just a passenger is clowning.

Why do you care?

It’s a discussion forum. For discussion. Maybe we should just shut down discussion that you don’t agree with.

I was offering some perspective.

The fact that you have such a violent response to that demonstrates you’ve really over invested in this whole situation. Maybe go take a walk and calm down.

Again. People are defending personal choices they made to better their health vs you just being hateful for sport. You sound quite unhinged at this point.

I think that’s wonderful. Just don’t go around broadcasting it and acting like you’ve accomplished something. How hard is that?

Oh I’ve accomplished a hell of a lot. I’ll trust my doctor rather than hateful bi$$es like you. I lost 60 lbs, got off BP and cholesterol meds, feel great, don’t hurt. What did you accomplish? You’re a waste of oxygen

“I’ve accomplished a hell of a lot”

I have. You’re just too informant to understand.

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Anonymous wrote:Because they took the lazy way out.

Why do you think losing weight should be hard? Serious question.

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Sure Larla's cancer is in remission -- but she just had surgery and it worked. She didn't have to have chemo or radiation. She did it the easy way.

Comparing weightloss to cancer?

Are you trying to look like a joke?

OK, so you did not like PPs analogy, fine. You still have not responded to the clearly worded question: why do you want weight loss to be hard for other people?

Look, there is benefit in doing hard things.

As someone who has ben obese as a child and much of my adult life, most of us overeat for deep emotional reasons. It's not just because we love bread so much. Cool, a GLP1 will reduce your appetite and thus help you lose weight. But it never helps the person get to the deep reason why they coped with food in the first place. It's the reason why most regain when they go off the drug, and also the reaosn why most people re-gain in general.

Doing the deep emotional work is challenging and hard, but that's the only way one can untangle the bad habits in the first place to relaly fix them. Sorry that you feel butt hurt over that.

I want everyone to be healthy, but you can't fix the mind just by losing some pounds. Them's them hard apple facts.

Gained 90 pounds as a result of medication that causes massive weight gain. If I want to live, I have to take the medication.No “deep emotional work“ is going to fix that. “Them’s them hard apple facts.”

No medication “makes” you gain 90 lbs. Over eating makes you gain 90 lbs. Some medications can increase your appetite, but it’s literally impossible to gain 90 lbs without significantly increasing the amount of food you are eating.

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For those offended at people saying that GLP!'s are the easy way out...

I'm sorry, but someone losing a large chunk of weight, putting in the work to that, make better choices consistently, hit the gym 6 days a week, re-wire their brain, and keep that up for years? Yeah, that's way harder. It just is. It's a fact.

There's no need to be offended. There are hard things that other people in life do, that I cannot. I respect them and am not bothered by the fact that some of my life choices may have been easier. We all make our choices.

If you're offended by someone calling your choices easier, then that's on you.

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Anonymous wrote:For those offended at people saying that GLP!'s are the easy way out...

I'm sorry, but someone losing a large chunk of weight, putting in the work to that, make better choices consistently, hit the gym 6 days a week, re-wire their brain, and keep that up for years? Yeah, that's way harder. It just is. It's a fact.

There's no need to be offended. There are hard things that other people in life do, that I cannot. I respect them and am not bothered by the fact that some of my life choices may have been easier. We all make our choices.

If you're offended by someone calling your choices easier, then that's on you.

One, I and can’t say this enough, I could not care less if you respect me.

Two, no one is offended that anyone is saying weight loss with GLP drugs is easier. Of course it is!!! That’s why so many people are finally losing weight and getting healthier. Calling us lazy is a whole different story. That is offensive and just plain dumb. I still had to exercise 6 days a week and make healthy choices. Are you under the impression we didn’t have to do that? I lost even more weight without drugs some years ago and it came back because all I could do is think about food. So no. Looking the weight the “hard” way is not better if it’s just going to be gained back.

But I keep asking why so many people like you are so invested and think that they need to have an opinion on something that doesn’t concern them at all. Just live your life and don’t worry about what the rest of us are doing. It has zero impact on you.

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It seems to me that this thread is divided into people who have had success with the CICO (calories in/calories out) + exercise method of weight loss and maintenance and those who haven't.

If you've had success with CICO, let's imagine it was an 8/10 difficulty for you--a lot of hard work. You may look at others and say hey, I worked super hard to get where I am. You should be able to do that too.

But what if someone else has a 10/10 difficulty with the same method? I think most would agree that being at a maximum effort of 10/10 every single day of your life, forever, at multiple meals/eating opportunities each day would not be sustainable.

Most people I know with weight struggles have ... struggled. (It's right there in the name!) I am one of these people.

Do you know something I have never, ever for one second of my day struggled with? Reading. I literally learned to read at age 3 and I still read multiple books a week. I've had people over the years say "ooh, I wish I could be as 'good' as you, you're amazing, I need to read more, etc" and I am always like--don't. this is not a special effort for me. This happens to be something that comes easy for me.

This is how it must be for people who don't have weight struggles. I absolutely get that people have learning disabilities or just don't like the process of reading, but it's truly hard to imagine how that feels (and how it must impact everyday living, including education/career performance) because that is just in my bones not who I am.

GLP drugs have been a godsend to me. They made all of the things I have tried to do on my own over the past ... 35 years(!!!!) of being a participant in diet culture ... actually work. I didn't know what food noise was before I started these drugs, because that's just what I thought living was. Now I can eat a small portion of a sweet and stop when I am done with the amount I'm in the mood for. The rest of the treat doesn't call to me. I literally forget about sweets and have had to toss out things when they went bad. Never have I ever ... before GLP meds.

For me, these drugs make doing the "right" thing much, much easier. It is still something I need to be aware of, and I probably will be forever. But it dials the dial from 10/10 to something much lower.

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

You are doubting the fact that diet and exercise is the better, and more challenging way?

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

You are doubting the fact that diet and exercise is the better, and more challenging way?

Better? No it’s not better. Are you doubting the fact that people taking these meds are doing diet and excerxise? Because I worked out 6 days a week and made a hell of a lot of changes to my diet.

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

You are doubting the fact that diet and exercise is the better, and more challenging way?

Better? No it’s not better. Are you doubting the fact that people taking these meds are doing diet and excerxise? Because I worked out 6 days a week and made a hell of a lot of changes to my diet.

Yes, I absolutely doubt that all or even a significant majority of the people taking these drugs exercise 6 days a week and eat healthfully.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems to me that this thread is divided into people who have had success with the CICO (calories in/calories out) + exercise method of weight loss and maintenance and those who haven't.

If you've had success with CICO, let's imagine it was an 8/10 difficulty for you--a lot of hard work. You may look at others and say hey, I worked super hard to get where I am. You should be able to do that too.

But what if someone else has a 10/10 difficulty with the same method? I think most would agree that being at a maximum effort of 10/10 every single day of your life, forever, at multiple meals/eating opportunities each day would not be sustainable.

Most people I know with weight struggles have ... struggled. (It's right there in the name!) I am one of these people.

Do you know something I have never, ever for one second of my day struggled with? Reading. I literally learned to read at age 3 and I still read multiple books a week. I've had people over the years say "ooh, I wish I could be as 'good' as you, you're amazing, I need to read more, etc" and I am always like--don't. this is not a special effort for me. This happens to be something that comes easy for me.

This is how it must be for people who don't have weight struggles. I absolutely get that people have learning disabilities or just don't like the process of reading, but it's truly hard to imagine how that feels (and how it must impact everyday living, including education/career performance) because that is just in my bones not who I am.

GLP drugs have been a godsend to me. They made all of the things I have tried to do on my own over the past ... 35 years(!!!!) of being a participant in diet culture ... actually work. I didn't know what food noise was before I started these drugs, because that's just what I thought living was. Now I can eat a small portion of a sweet and stop when I am done with the amount I'm in the mood for. The rest of the treat doesn't call to me. I literally forget about sweets and have had to toss out things when they went bad. Never have I ever ... before GLP meds.

For me, these drugs make doing the "right" thing much, much easier. It is still something I need to be aware of, and I probably will be forever. But it dials the dial from 10/10 to something much lower.

I guess is that it dials it down from a 10 to a 1 or 2.

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Have any of the people saying it’s lazy and lame ever battled thyroid disease, PCOS, insulin resistance where people have done CICO and intense exercise for months or years and still maybe lost one or two pounds?

It’s very easy to judge when you haven’t battled an actual diagnosed medical condition prohibiting weight loss using the normal methods.

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

That’s because you didn’t act like an ahole to them like you are here

Literally no one is behaving like an ahole. They are answering OP’s question. The irritation you feel is a projection of your own issues.

Literally no one who loses and maintains weightloss the old fashioned way is so over the top sensitive. Pp who said “own it” is right.

And this is you, being an ahole. I know you don't think so. If you did, you wouldn't be an ahole.

You get that, right? That except for trolls, people who are being aholes don't realize they are? And that could be you right now, whether you realize it or not?

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Anonymous wrote:Because they took the lazy way out.

Why do you think losing weight should be hard? Serious question.

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Sure Larla's cancer is in remission -- but she just had surgery and it worked. She didn't have to have chemo or radiation. She did it the easy way.

Comparing weightloss to cancer?

Are you trying to look like a joke?

OK, so you did not like PPs analogy, fine. You still have not responded to the clearly worded question: why do you want weight loss to be hard for other people?

Look, there is benefit in doing hard things.

As someone who has ben obese as a child and much of my adult life, most of us overeat for deep emotional reasons. It's not just because we love bread so much. Cool, a GLP1 will reduce your appetite and thus help you lose weight. But it never helps the person get to the deep reason why they coped with food in the first place. It's the reason why most regain when they go off the drug, and also the reaosn why most people re-gain in general.

Doing the deep emotional work is challenging and hard, but that's the only way one can untangle the bad habits in the first place to relaly fix them. Sorry that you feel butt hurt over that.

I want everyone to be healthy, but you can't fix the mind just by losing some pounds. Them's them hard apple facts.

Gained 90 pounds as a result of medication that causes massive weight gain. If I want to live, I have to take the medication.No “deep emotional work“ is going to fix that. “Them’s them hard apple facts.”

No medication “makes” you gain 90 lbs. Over eating makes you gain 90 lbs. Some medications can increase your appetite, but it’s literally impossible to gain 90 lbs without significantly increasing the amount of food you are eating.

This is the wrongest, most uninformed, stupidest comment in a thread full of them.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/21893-metabolism

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Anonymous wrote:For those offended at people saying that GLP!'s are the easy way out...

I'm sorry, but someone losing a large chunk of weight, putting in the work to that, make better choices consistently, hit the gym 6 days a week, re-wire their brain, and keep that up for years? Yeah, that's way harder. It just is. It's a fact.

There's no need to be offended. There are hard things that other people in life do, that I cannot. I respect them and am not bothered by the fact that some of my life choices may have been easier. We all make our choices.

If you're offended by someone calling your choices easier, then that's on you.

And if you don't get that it is not the same many people, that's on you.

The difference is reading and learning can fix your issue.

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

You are doubting the fact that diet and exercise is the better, and more challenging way?

Better? No it’s not better. Are you doubting the fact that people taking these meds are doing diet and excerxise? Because I worked out 6 days a week and made a hell of a lot of changes to my diet.

Yes, I absolutely doubt that all or even a significant majority of the people taking these drugs exercise 6 days a week and eat healthfully.

That’s because you choose to stay ignorant. That’s totally on you.