Contractor Cuts: Booz, Deloitte, Leidos, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I know Deloitte and Booz charges crazy overhead and stop work orders could be issued. Look at the number of Deloitte contract at DOGE site.


And Deloitte and Booz contract with numerous 8a contractors around here. Stop work orders are happening across the board.

We, as a country, could have avoided creating the massive federal infrastructure for contract management and internal project management of contractors. There was a solution to this problem and it meant never privatizing mission critical work.

It’s just shocking to me that people want to blame contracting for waste when privatization was sold as a savior for government waste.


It is just not blaming contractors and you are right there is no structure because that takes time, efforts, resources etc so it is easier to contact work out. They were also picked so that work could be increased and decreased anytime(such like this) without any repercussions of RIF, severance pay etc. Contractors are for-profit and use the weakness of any agency to gold plate their contracts. What is happening should have been looked into a long time ago but noone cares when Govt just keeps on expanding. It is disgusting even if you consider 20% info coming out for USAID contracts is true. Now, everyone suffers.


Two big reasons for contracts - 1. the government cannot make that product, and 2. so they can hire and fire at will which in the past has been near impossible to do for feds. They can ramp up projects quickly and let people go when it's over.


What product? These support contractors don't make any proprietary product or any kind of SMEs. They are just middleman in hiring the talent for Govt. According to someone from Deloitte - we will put a warm body to do anything as long as we are getting paid.


Depends on how savvy the client is, but not far off. In many cases there are actually disincentives to putting together a strong team, accomplishing the work faster for cheaper, because those people are low margin and generate less profit.


Well until this year, this is what we had in our science sector. People who really understood research in charge of managing it. You don’t see many contracting companies getting in the way because the govt was a smart buyer. In the case of defense, the govt contracting officer and their technical rep or even the program manager is not hired for their technical savvy. So sure, the govt gets taken to the woodshed. It’s what happens when you decide to dumb down government and make them only a pathway for the jobs program of their contractors. And yet, here we are going after the part of the whole system that works and having the pentagon cut their research but keep the bloated contracts going.
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Anonymous wrote:The grift is over, folks.


The grift is just beginning. Wait and see how many things only Elon's company can provide.


Exactly. I am almost sad for those that can't see it. Sure there is inefficiency and bloat but that means jobs and a functioning economy. When 4 oligarchs are the only beneficiaries..your smugness may take a turn.

Not going to happen. If you think it will, you don't know Musk.

Does he want to be rich? yes.
Does he want to be rich, so he can buy stuff? No.
Does he want to be rich, so he can convert that to "power"? Yes.
Will he do it even he doesn't get any richer (I mean...the dude is the richest dude in the world..~$350B, that's a BILLION) YES.
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Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of bloat with the support contractors. OSD has 10s of thousands of them and a lot of them are needed as a warm body to increase the head count.


That's nice, too bad auditors weren't sent in to actually find this waste.


They wouldn't even know how to identify it. I support a lot of projects part time as a tech SME and the vast majority of people in them barely know what they are doing, do not care about learning otherwise, and the overall pace of development is geological. How would an auditor know what any of these people are doing, or how productive these projects should be overall?

+ a million. Sad to see how other posters refuse to see the truth on this.
I was a development lead on a gov contract and it was incredibly hard to get shit done - both because the client didn't know what they wanted and changed their mind often (they had 2 other contracts to help with that...), and because company didn't pay enough to get highly skilled people.
Government audits are very regimented and are not designed to focus on whether the work is done well or efficiently.
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https://fedscoop.com/gsa-tells-agencies-to-terminate-contracts-with-top-10-consulting-firms/

It is weird that Lockheed and Raytheon are not on this list… Also what happens to contracts with firms ranked #11-20?
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Anonymous wrote:https://fedscoop.com/gsa-tells-agencies-to-terminate-contracts-with-top-10-consulting-firms/

It is weird that Lockheed and Raytheon are not on this list… Also what happens to contracts with firms ranked #11-20?

Lockheed and RTX aren’t consultants.
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What are Lockheed and Raytheon then? Is this a difference between contractor and consultant? I am honestly not sure what the difference is
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Anonymous wrote:What are Lockheed and Raytheon then? Is this a difference between contractor and consultant? I am honestly not sure what the difference is


A difference between services and stuff. If a company is providing IT modernization or HR support, for example, does DOGE think that can all be done by AI instead. Contracts delivering technology and hardware may be viewed differently.
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Anonymous wrote:What are Lockheed and Raytheon then? Is this a difference between contractor and consultant? I am honestly not sure what the difference is

They build toys for the DoD. Occasionally companies like BAH and Accenture will inherent these programs on a contract re-compete to offer service support, but they aren’t typically building the systems.
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Maybe they are not including DOD contracts. Or boots on the ground contracts. Or manufacturing contracts.
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Layoffs are now happening at the 11-20 firms.
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Anonymous wrote:Layoffs are now happening at the 11-20 firms.


What are the 11-20 firms? How do you know?
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Plenty of Jobs in New York City. Amtrak is getting a lot of new riders.
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Anonymous wrote:Plenty of Jobs in New York City. Amtrak is getting a lot of new riders.


Amtrak is going to be sold off to private interests.
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Anonymous wrote:Plenty of Jobs in New York City. Amtrak is getting a lot of new riders.


Being a government consultant is different than being a consultant on wall street or private sector. The firm names might be the same but the tasks are very different.
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Anonymous wrote:Plenty of Jobs in New York City. Amtrak is getting a lot of new riders.


Being a government consultant is different than being a consultant on wall street or private sector. The firm names might be the same but the tasks are very different.


Wall Street is also in turmoil. GCM will not open given the chaos happening in Washington. Companies don’t want to borrow or IPO, wealthy people don’t want to invest, and people won’t be able to pay their credit cards if we have a recession. We’re probably not far from sliding into a recession in H2 2025.
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