
I’m not the PP but what do you propose people use instead to make the point? Do you disagree that transwomen are biological men? I find this debate fascinating in part because of how rigidly the far left has controlled all associated language in the topic. One thing I have seen the left be spectacularly skilled at over history is policing language such that debate is impossible. This has been extremely effective in Communist regimes in particular. But I see it here too. If you control the vocabulary, you control the discussion 100%. If using the term “biological men” with respect to transwomen is hateful, it quashes all debate with respect to the impact of that specific biology. In a weird way, I actually admire the iron grip the trans activists have on the English language. I can’t think of another contemporary contentious issue where the very language used by largely everyone is defined and tightly controlled entirely by one side. It’s masterful propaganda. |
That’s the problem. You assume that I am anti trans. I can assure you I am 100% not anti trans. One of my best friends sons is a trans boy and in support them 1000%. You won’t acknowledge the physical advantages a transwoman has over a biological woman. You’re more concerned with the trans woman’s feelings. Thats not what’s important here. Biology is the only important thing when it comes to sports. Full stop. Trans people exist. They have the right to be treated with respect. They do not have the right to compete against the opposite biological sex. |
No. I’m not a total idiot. |
Finally, a common sense post. But I support equal rights for all...what does that mean? It means that for a majority of sports we should simply have 3 groups competing in order to ensure fair and equal rights: Male (biological sex) Female (biological sex) Co-Ed (male, female, intersex) We already have co-ed sports...so make that a new category for all sports to allow those who don't care about biological sex or gender identity beliefs to have equal rights. |
Choosing to use "biological men" instead of "trans women" is often in indication of underlying hostility to transpeople. The person with whom I have been having this discussion claimed that the two phrases mean the same. In that case, the poster could have easily switched to using "trans women" with no discernible impact on the points being made. It is entirely possible to discuss physical advantages that trans women may have. But, very often and as in this case, those who use "biological men" will eventually reveal that they have deeper anti-trans inclinations. BTW, calling anything with which you disagree "communist" is another interesting use of language. All societies attempt to control language use to some extend. Just consider how Americans interpret the word "terrorism". Does "terrorism" have any objective definition in the U.S. that is not connected to the perpetrator of the act? |
Wow. You said that more beautifully than I ever could. |
That’s me. Honestly, if I had said “transwomen should not compete in male sports” that wouldn’t have been hate speech? |
Your last sentence is your opinion and one that does not currently appear to be supported by law: https://thehill.com/homenews/lgbtq/4836703-judge-rules-va-district-cant-block-transgender-student-from-girls-tennis-team/ I will readily admit that transgender women may have physical advantages over cis-women. I am not concerned about "feelings", a word that you seem particularly fixated on, but rather attempts to dehumanize others by diminishing their reality. |
I assume that you mean "female sports". But, had you said that you do not believe that trans women should compete in women's sports, I would not immediately consider it hateful. I still would not agree with such a blanket statement, but I would note that you seem to recognize trans reality. |
This. So many of the posts in this forum are pure trash. It makes it impossible to have a good faith debate about anything. |
How is calling someone a biological male diminishing their reality? It is 100% reality. Are you saying people aren’t really transgender, they are transsexuals? They really feel like they are the opposite sex? |
That is absolutely Orwellian. |
In and of itself it is not. But it is often an indication of deeper anti-trans inclinations. As in your case, when I asked why you chose that term you explained that "feels" are not important. That suggests that you view transgender people as only "feeling" that they are their gender. That diminishes their reality and is dehumanizing. |
I am so sick and tired of the word games that the far left are so focused on. While the intolerance on the far right makes me not want to vote for Trump....the equal intolerance of the far left also makes me not want to vote for Harris. It is not harmful or hurtful to use the term "biological sex at birth" and talk about sex being female, male or intersex...it's freaking science people. XX/XY talk is also 100% science. It is also not harmful or hurtful to talk about different gender identities and the beliefs tied to gender identities. I believe gender identity is not fluid. If you believe it is that's fine. I will always respect your belief and agree that you should have equal rights based on your belief. But your belief is not absolute truth...just as my belief is not absolute truth. Those who believe otherwise have lost their minds. It is people like you....and I am speaking to both the far right and far left nuts who believe in "absolutism"...that only their truth is the absolute truth...who are ruining our society. Our society is doomed either way and I blame both sides. I'm probably going to stay home and let all the intolerant voters continue to vote and divide our nation. |
If they are biological males but are choosing to present as women, what is it other than a feeling? |