Yondr pouch pilot program at some MS

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Anonymous wrote:Praying Chantilly HS is not one of the ones who volunteered. My kid will not be putting their phone in this stupid pouch.

Maybe you guys need to put yours in a pouch too. You and your kids would realize you could easily survive 9-4 without texting eachother.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Praying Chantilly HS is not one of the ones who volunteered. My kid will not be putting their phone in this stupid pouch.

Maybe you guys need to put yours in a pouch too. You and your kids would realize you could easily survive 9-4 without texting eachother.

My reasons for not wanting the pouch have nothing to do with texting during the day. I do not like the idea of over 3,000 kids scrambling to unlock their pouch before boarding the buses. I think that’s unsafe and will cause kids to miss their buses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Praying Chantilly HS is not one of the ones who volunteered. My kid will not be putting their phone in this stupid pouch.

Maybe you guys need to put yours in a pouch too. You and your kids would realize you could easily survive 9-4 without texting eachother.

My reasons for not wanting the pouch have nothing to do with texting during the day. I do not like the idea of over 3,000 kids scrambling to unlock their pouch before boarding the buses. I think that’s unsafe and will cause kids to miss their buses.

Sure sure. That's your objection.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Praying Chantilly HS is not one of the ones who volunteered. My kid will not be putting their phone in this stupid pouch.

Maybe you guys need to put yours in a pouch too. You and your kids would realize you could easily survive 9-4 without texting eachother.

My reasons for not wanting the pouch have nothing to do with texting during the day. I do not like the idea of over 3,000 kids scrambling to unlock their pouch before boarding the buses. I think that’s unsafe and will cause kids to miss their buses.

Put them at the bus stops or on the busses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Praying Chantilly HS is not one of the ones who volunteered. My kid will not be putting their phone in this stupid pouch.

Maybe you guys need to put yours in a pouch too. You and your kids would realize you could easily survive 9-4 without texting eachother.

My reasons for not wanting the pouch have nothing to do with texting during the day. I do not like the idea of over 3,000 kids scrambling to unlock their pouch before boarding the buses. I think that’s unsafe and will cause kids to miss their buses.

Yeah they surely won’t hold the buses the first couple days to account for this or figure out how to stagger pouch retrieval for the school to keep things orderly. No way. Might as well not even try anything!!

[Anonymous]

The other issue is sometimes I send a text at dismissal time switching my kid’s transportation mode and now my kid won’t see it in time. In the past when I’ve called the office they don’t deliver these types of messages.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an idea. Buy a few yondr pouches for each school. Kid is caught using their phone during the school day, it goes in the yondr pouch for the rest of the day. Kid is caught using it a second time, goes in the pouch every day for a month. Third time, yondr pouch for the rest of the year. This should satisfy the "what about a school shooter" objectors. Teach your kid if they want the privilege of using their phone during a school shooter, never get caught using it before then. It would also give kid one "free" use of their phone because pouch for a day no big deal--but better save up that one free use for when you really need it.

This would require common sense, clearly the district has zero common sense.

Guys it’s a PILOT. That’s what they’re trying to figure out - how to do it best countywide. They didn’t already buy 215,000 pouches

If they were ACTUALLY interested in figuring out the best way they’d be collecting data on phone usage for at least a few months with no intervention, with current (last school years) intervention, and they’d have different phases of novel intervention across different schools trying different methods- not just a pouch. They would stagger interventions within and across schools. Then they’d actually look at what works and what doesn’t work and choose based on the data.

This is just a slow roll out for Yondr.

Probably to line someone’s pockets.

They already have that information from the last school year.

SMH

I’m waiting to see it posted on the website.

Keep waiting, FCPS is not required to share every bit of data they have with you or the community.

DP. They 100% are if they are forcing some communist style seizure methods on our children. As it stands there is ZERO justification for this and WE AREN’T DOING IT! My kids will NOT be accepting a commie pouch.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The other issue is sometimes I send a text at dismissal time switching my kid’s transportation mode and now my kid won’t see it in time. In the past when I’ve called the office they don’t deliver these types of messages.

Yes he would. As a teacher I imagine they build in a 15/20ish “advisory” block at the end of the day before dismissal to stagger pouch retrieval by floor/hall/zone. And before anyone whines about missed instructional time, we lose way more to phones when kids have them in class. It would be a net win.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an idea. Buy a few yondr pouches for each school. Kid is caught using their phone during the school day, it goes in the yondr pouch for the rest of the day. Kid is caught using it a second time, goes in the pouch every day for a month. Third time, yondr pouch for the rest of the year. This should satisfy the "what about a school shooter" objectors. Teach your kid if they want the privilege of using their phone during a school shooter, never get caught using it before then. It would also give kid one "free" use of their phone because pouch for a day no big deal--but better save up that one free use for when you really need it.

This would require common sense, clearly the district has zero common sense.

Guys it’s a PILOT. That’s what they’re trying to figure out - how to do it best countywide. They didn’t already buy 215,000 pouches

If they were ACTUALLY interested in figuring out the best way they’d be collecting data on phone usage for at least a few months with no intervention, with current (last school years) intervention, and they’d have different phases of novel intervention across different schools trying different methods- not just a pouch. They would stagger interventions within and across schools. Then they’d actually look at what works and what doesn’t work and choose based on the data.

This is just a slow roll out for Yondr.

Probably to line someone’s pockets.

They already have that information from the last school year.

SMH

I’m waiting to see it posted on the website.

Keep waiting, FCPS is not required to share every bit of data they have with you or the community.

I don’t think they have any data to share at this point since this seems to be in response to the governor’s cell phone free policy. But if they’re going to give a big contract to Yondr to roll this out at every MS and HS, I definitely want to see some data. They’re always giving big contracts and spending money with big corporations. Yes the phones are a problem but so is the over-reliance on tech/laptops/etc. in general and you don’t see anyone pushing back on that.

Exactly! You know what would be better and cheaper? Cell phone charging stations for the classroom. You can make these for under $50 plus the cost of charging cords. Nothing to take home, nothing to get lost, nothing to forget, no knives out in class trying to pry open a pouch. Plus it incentivizes the kids to use it, what kid says no to charging their phone. If they had said in school 1 we’re trying classroom charging stations. In school 2 we’re trying Yondr pouches for all, in school 3 we’re allowing free phone access, in school 4 we’re making kids turn their phones into the office if we see them out in a classroom, in school 5 we’re not allowing phones at all in the school but installing several in school student use phones that will be on between classes only and several outside for before and after school use. in school 6 we’re using Yondr pouches only if you are caught using your phone in class, in school 7 we’re using cell phone lockers. You get the point… trying to see what actually WORKS, not just implementing one thing with no data to back it up. Especially when that money is going to a big company. Why not make it a school project for each school to find the most effective way to minimize phone use. Have the kids take data. That would be interesting and educational.

We tried this in maybe 2017. Used to kind of work but they’d still go back there to check notifs and pull it off the charger as soon as it had a 20-% charge because they wanted it back. This solution doesn’t work in 2024. The phone problem has gotten way, way too bad for little stopgap tricks like that.

You could try one that locks. All phones in if they want them charged, locked 2 minutes after bell, unlocked 2 minutes before bell. Simple solution, saying it just doesn’t work in general is ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an idea. Buy a few yondr pouches for each school. Kid is caught using their phone during the school day, it goes in the yondr pouch for the rest of the day. Kid is caught using it a second time, goes in the pouch every day for a month. Third time, yondr pouch for the rest of the year. This should satisfy the "what about a school shooter" objectors. Teach your kid if they want the privilege of using their phone during a school shooter, never get caught using it before then. It would also give kid one "free" use of their phone because pouch for a day no big deal--but better save up that one free use for when you really need it.

This would require common sense, clearly the district has zero common sense.

Guys it’s a PILOT. That’s what they’re trying to figure out - how to do it best countywide. They didn’t already buy 215,000 pouches

If they were ACTUALLY interested in figuring out the best way they’d be collecting data on phone usage for at least a few months with no intervention, with current (last school years) intervention, and they’d have different phases of novel intervention across different schools trying different methods- not just a pouch. They would stagger interventions within and across schools. Then they’d actually look at what works and what doesn’t work and choose based on the data.

This is just a slow roll out for Yondr.

Probably to line someone’s pockets.

They already have that information from the last school year.

SMH

I’m waiting to see it posted on the website.

Keep waiting, FCPS is not required to share every bit of data they have with you or the community.

I don’t think they have any data to share at this point since this seems to be in response to the governor’s cell phone free policy. But if they’re going to give a big contract to Yondr to roll this out at every MS and HS, I definitely want to see some data. They’re always giving big contracts and spending money with big corporations. Yes the phones are a problem but so is the over-reliance on tech/laptops/etc. in general and you don’t see anyone pushing back on that.

Exactly! You know what would be better and cheaper? Cell phone charging stations for the classroom. You can make these for under $50 plus the cost of charging cords. Nothing to take home, nothing to get lost, nothing to forget, no knives out in class trying to pry open a pouch. Plus it incentivizes the kids to use it, what kid says no to charging their phone. If they had said in school 1 we’re trying classroom charging stations. In school 2 we’re trying Yondr pouches for all, in school 3 we’re allowing free phone access, in school 4 we’re making kids turn their phones into the office if we see them out in a classroom, in school 5 we’re not allowing phones at all in the school but installing several in school student use phones that will be on between classes only and several outside for before and after school use. in school 6 we’re using Yondr pouches only if you are caught using your phone in class, in school 7 we’re using cell phone lockers. You get the point… trying to see what actually WORKS, not just implementing one thing with no data to back it up. Especially when that money is going to a big company. Why not make it a school project for each school to find the most effective way to minimize phone use. Have the kids take data. That would be interesting and educational.

We tried this in maybe 2017. Used to kind of work but they’d still go back there to check notifs and pull it off the charger as soon as it had a 20-% charge because they wanted it back. This solution doesn’t work in 2024. The phone problem has gotten way, way too bad for little stopgap tricks like that.

You tried all those suggestions? Or just 1 and opted for an expensive pouch because- why?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Praying Chantilly HS is not one of the ones who volunteered. My kid will not be putting their phone in this stupid pouch.

Maybe you guys need to put yours in a pouch too. You and your kids would realize you could easily survive 9-4 without texting eachother.

My reasons for not wanting the pouch have nothing to do with texting during the day. I do not like the idea of over 3,000 kids scrambling to unlock their pouch before boarding the buses. I think that’s unsafe and will cause kids to miss their buses.

I wonder if people like you stay up all night working on imaginary objections and phantom worries?

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an idea. Buy a few yondr pouches for each school. Kid is caught using their phone during the school day, it goes in the yondr pouch for the rest of the day. Kid is caught using it a second time, goes in the pouch every day for a month. Third time, yondr pouch for the rest of the year. This should satisfy the "what about a school shooter" objectors. Teach your kid if they want the privilege of using their phone during a school shooter, never get caught using it before then. It would also give kid one "free" use of their phone because pouch for a day no big deal--but better save up that one free use for when you really need it.

This would require common sense, clearly the district has zero common sense.

Guys it’s a PILOT. That’s what they’re trying to figure out - how to do it best countywide. They didn’t already buy 215,000 pouches

If they were ACTUALLY interested in figuring out the best way they’d be collecting data on phone usage for at least a few months with no intervention, with current (last school years) intervention, and they’d have different phases of novel intervention across different schools trying different methods- not just a pouch. They would stagger interventions within and across schools. Then they’d actually look at what works and what doesn’t work and choose based on the data.

This is just a slow roll out for Yondr.

Probably to line someone’s pockets.

They already have that information from the last school year.

SMH

I’m waiting to see it posted on the website.

Keep waiting, FCPS is not required to share every bit of data they have with you or the community.

I don’t think they have any data to share at this point since this seems to be in response to the governor’s cell phone free policy. But if they’re going to give a big contract to Yondr to roll this out at every MS and HS, I definitely want to see some data. They’re always giving big contracts and spending money with big corporations. Yes the phones are a problem but so is the over-reliance on tech/laptops/etc. in general and you don’t see anyone pushing back on that.

Exactly! You know what would be better and cheaper? Cell phone charging stations for the classroom. You can make these for under $50 plus the cost of charging cords. Nothing to take home, nothing to get lost, nothing to forget, no knives out in class trying to pry open a pouch. Plus it incentivizes the kids to use it, what kid says no to charging their phone. If they had said in school 1 we’re trying classroom charging stations. In school 2 we’re trying Yondr pouches for all, in school 3 we’re allowing free phone access, in school 4 we’re making kids turn their phones into the office if we see them out in a classroom, in school 5 we’re not allowing phones at all in the school but installing several in school student use phones that will be on between classes only and several outside for before and after school use. in school 6 we’re using Yondr pouches only if you are caught using your phone in class, in school 7 we’re using cell phone lockers. You get the point… trying to see what actually WORKS, not just implementing one thing with no data to back it up. Especially when that money is going to a big company. Why not make it a school project for each school to find the most effective way to minimize phone use. Have the kids take data. That would be interesting and educational.

We tried this in maybe 2017. Used to kind of work but they’d still go back there to check notifs and pull it off the charger as soon as it had a 20-% charge because they wanted it back. This solution doesn’t work in 2024. The phone problem has gotten way, way too bad for little stopgap tricks like that.

You tried all those suggestions? Or just 1 and opted for an expensive pouch because- why?

Because nothing else works! They don’t want to put it in their backpack, shoe rack, they won’t keep it on a charger all class knowing next class there’s another charger they can use. They take the damn things out in SOL testing now and it happens so often we can’t even file the discrepancy report we used to, we just have to lecture them AGAIN. The amount of time, mental energy, creativity we have wasted on the damn phones is unreal and you think CHARGERS are a genius new idea we never thought of.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an idea. Buy a few yondr pouches for each school. Kid is caught using their phone during the school day, it goes in the yondr pouch for the rest of the day. Kid is caught using it a second time, goes in the pouch every day for a month. Third time, yondr pouch for the rest of the year. This should satisfy the "what about a school shooter" objectors. Teach your kid if they want the privilege of using their phone during a school shooter, never get caught using it before then. It would also give kid one "free" use of their phone because pouch for a day no big deal--but better save up that one free use for when you really need it.

This would require common sense, clearly the district has zero common sense.

Guys it’s a PILOT. That’s what they’re trying to figure out - how to do it best countywide. They didn’t already buy 215,000 pouches

If they were ACTUALLY interested in figuring out the best way they’d be collecting data on phone usage for at least a few months with no intervention, with current (last school years) intervention, and they’d have different phases of novel intervention across different schools trying different methods- not just a pouch. They would stagger interventions within and across schools. Then they’d actually look at what works and what doesn’t work and choose based on the data.

This is just a slow roll out for Yondr.

Probably to line someone’s pockets.

They already have that information from the last school year.

SMH

I’m waiting to see it posted on the website.

Keep waiting, FCPS is not required to share every bit of data they have with you or the community.

I don’t think they have any data to share at this point since this seems to be in response to the governor’s cell phone free policy. But if they’re going to give a big contract to Yondr to roll this out at every MS and HS, I definitely want to see some data. They’re always giving big contracts and spending money with big corporations. Yes the phones are a problem but so is the over-reliance on tech/laptops/etc. in general and you don’t see anyone pushing back on that.

Exactly! You know what would be better and cheaper? Cell phone charging stations for the classroom. You can make these for under $50 plus the cost of charging cords. Nothing to take home, nothing to get lost, nothing to forget, no knives out in class trying to pry open a pouch. Plus it incentivizes the kids to use it, what kid says no to charging their phone. If they had said in school 1 we’re trying classroom charging stations. In school 2 we’re trying Yondr pouches for all, in school 3 we’re allowing free phone access, in school 4 we’re making kids turn their phones into the office if we see them out in a classroom, in school 5 we’re not allowing phones at all in the school but installing several in school student use phones that will be on between classes only and several outside for before and after school use. in school 6 we’re using Yondr pouches only if you are caught using your phone in class, in school 7 we’re using cell phone lockers. You get the point… trying to see what actually WORKS, not just implementing one thing with no data to back it up. Especially when that money is going to a big company. Why not make it a school project for each school to find the most effective way to minimize phone use. Have the kids take data. That would be interesting and educational.

We tried this in maybe 2017. Used to kind of work but they’d still go back there to check notifs and pull it off the charger as soon as it had a 20-% charge because they wanted it back. This solution doesn’t work in 2024. The phone problem has gotten way, way too bad for little stopgap tricks like that.

You tried all those suggestions? Or just 1 and opted for an expensive pouch because- why?

Because nothing else works! They don’t want to put it in their backpack, shoe rack, they won’t keep it on a charger all class knowing next class there’s another charger they can use. They take the damn things out in SOL testing now and it happens so often we can’t even file the discrepancy report we used to, we just have to lecture them AGAIN. The amount of time, mental energy, creativity we have wasted on the damn phones is unreal and you think CHARGERS are a genius new idea we never thought of.

But how is out in a pouch going to change environment? The same kids that weren’t using phones will still not use phones and the kids that defied prior don’t use rules will still defy- by not putting in pouch or breaking pouch so phone can go in or out or buying fishing magnet (pouches costs $18 and magnets even less so cheap workaround)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I understand the premise but with a school shooting being a real possibility, I want my child to have access to their phone at all times. Have the kids put their phones in a basket at the beginning of class and get it when they leave. Seems like a simpler solution.

What is a cell phone going to do to help your student during a school shooting? Cell phones only complicate crises when students flood the community with false information through texts and social media.

They can reach me and/or police to alert of an active shooter. I can also contact them to see if they are alive and to say I love you before they get shot and die. Perfectly valid reasons.

Yeah sure, this is way more likely than them just getting distracted by the phone every single day in class . School shootings are actually quite rare. And I’m a teacher so I’m just as at risk as your kid should one come to pass but that is very, very unlikely. We have to actually focus on real learning 10 months a year for thousands of kids in the building, not the one extreme outlier event exception that will almost certainly never happen.

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I am not going to try to reach you during a school shooting, just my child. My kid is not your problem. You should figure out how to discipline the ones that are instead of the entire population. And between all the new the religious observations days that don't allow teaching, weeks of teaching only towards standardized tests, then the testing days and then watching movies and doing busy work from May thru June, You aren't teaching a solid 10 months of the year.

Your kid legitimately is my problem. At school, while learning, OR in a school shooting. I’m not even addressing the rest of your comment because the opening premise is beyond ludicrous.

HA you wish. You seem to be your own problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The other issue is sometimes I send a text at dismissal time switching my kid’s transportation mode and now my kid won’t see it in time. In the past when I’ve called the office they don’t deliver these types of messages.

Yes he would. As a teacher I imagine they build in a 15/20ish “advisory” block at the end of the day before dismissal to stagger pouch retrieval by floor/hall/zone. And before anyone whines about missed instructional time, we lose way more to phones when kids have them in class. It would be a net win.

Get real. They aren’t going to be doing this. Their advisory block is always the second period of one of the days anyway, not at the end of the day like it would make sense. They aren’t going to let kids out 20 min before dismissal to go unlock their pouch- and then have hordes of kids roaming around the hallways.