Red pill dating

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is interesting that the substance of what you’re saying is interpreted as hateful. ... If a man says the same thing [as a woman], well, that’s hate.

Thanks for understanding. My censored quote of H.L. Mencken's humorous definition of misogyny made exactly this point.

Anonymous wrote:the challenge that red pill dating poses to women is that it modestly shifts power dynamics for marginal men

After feminists fought regulation of women's bodies and behavior, some women want to opportunistically control men's behavior. For example, France banned paternity testing. Then again, France lacked age of consent laws until recently, so maybe they are just weird. Laws and social norms shift power and control.

If the OP defines "Red Pill" as men who don't feel obligated to buy dinner for strange women, then she can avoid them by using sugar dating websites. If she wants super-tolerant men, then she can post pictures featuring her blue armpit hair.

The challenge is to screen out bad men, while keeping good men. Good men set boundaries when dealing with the cesspool of internet dating. Complaining, being picky and difficult, and posting political tests can turn off desirable men. Men who are preoccupied with gender-war have probably not read a book except for paperback motivational crap. They are often racist and anti-immigrant, scapegoating others. Use those clues.

This isn't true. France did not ban all paternity testing. They banned at will & secret testing. So it's illegal to test a baby without informing the mother and getting her consent, as France has very strict laws around obtaining human tissue/body parts, which must always be done with consent (and is a VERY good thing, because in the US, police have historically been able to obtain samples without a warrant or consent). Obtaining samples from a child for paternity testing is simply an extension of this law. Also protects from meddling in-laws obtaining samples to test for paternity, or men who secretly test their child when they are adults.

If a man gets a woman pregnant, it is only considered his child if they are married, if he acknowledges the child is his or if she contests it in court (meaning *she* would need to get a court order for a paternity test). If a man is married, he can still get a paternity test with his wife's okay. And they cannot get paternity tests after 5 years of age - if they've raised a child for 5 years, they are accepting full responsibility for the child.

In a nutshell, in France:
1. If you are married and living together, the child is considered yours. If you suspect your wife cheated, you move out and begin the divorce process so paternity isn't granted to you.
2. If you get a girlfriend or random woman pregnant, the child is not considered your unless you sign the birth certificate OR the woman gets a court-ordered paternity test.
3. If you raise a child for over 5 years, it is considered yours regardless of paternity.
4. You cannot do secret testing on another person, it must be consensual.
5. You cannot do at-will testing on another person, there must be a court-approved reason.

Everyone cries foul but this sets a good precedent for other things, such as workplaces not being legally allowed to test you for things at-will or in-secret. Human rights extend to ALL people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Red pill men want to treat women poorly, manipulate them, and lie to them in order to get sex. Women just want to have sex, men want to be jerks. Red pill men also generally want women to not sleep around, are anti-divorce, anti-child support, and blame women for men's bad behavior.

Also, trying to navigate relationships in terms of "power dynamics" is absolutely exhausting. My xH was like that. Women don't want to bother with that crap. We just want healthy, functional relationships. My now-H and I just communicate without all this power nonsense. If he turns down sex, I don't flip out; it's literally just a "hey babe, I'm pretty tired tonight" and that's that.

Everyone is free to date the way they want. But, no, you don't get to lie to people or manipulate people, or try to take away women's rights - all things that red pill advocates.

RP men use tactics that women reward with sex. Women say they want functional relationships, but they don’t act like it when they reward the RPs.

RPs would say that “rights” for women make them worse off. The problem with feminism is that it has won rights for women without adding responsibilities to counterbalance those rights. A woman who has a side piece while dating other men certainly doesn’t act like she owes a prospective man anything. That’s fine but she shouldn’t expect much in return either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is interesting that the substance of what you’re saying is interpreted as hateful. ... If a man says the same thing [as a woman], well, that’s hate.

Thanks for understanding. My censored quote of H.L. Mencken's humorous definition of misogyny made exactly this point.

Anonymous wrote:the challenge that red pill dating poses to women is that it modestly shifts power dynamics for marginal men

After feminists fought regulation of women's bodies and behavior, some women want to opportunistically control men's behavior. For example, France banned paternity testing. Then again, France lacked age of consent laws until recently, so maybe they are just weird. Laws and social norms shift power and control.

If the OP defines "Red Pill" as men who don't feel obligated to buy dinner for strange women, then she can avoid them by using sugar dating websites. If she wants super-tolerant men, then she can post pictures featuring her blue armpit hair.

The challenge is to screen out bad men, while keeping good men. Good men set boundaries when dealing with the cesspool of internet dating. Complaining, being picky and difficult, and posting political tests can turn off desirable men. Men who are preoccupied with gender-war have probably not read a book except for paperback motivational crap. They are often racist and anti-immigrant, scapegoating others. Use those clues.

This isn't true. France did not ban all paternity testing. They banned at will & secret testing. So it's illegal to test a baby without informing the mother and getting her consent, as France has very strict laws around obtaining human tissue/body parts, which must always be done with consent (and is a VERY good thing, because in the US, police have historically been able to obtain samples without a warrant or consent). Obtaining samples from a child for paternity testing is simply an extension of this law. Also protects from meddling in-laws obtaining samples to test for paternity, or men who secretly test their child when they are adults.

If a man gets a woman pregnant, it is only considered his child if they are married, if he acknowledges the child is his or if she contests it in court (meaning *she* would need to get a court order for a paternity test). If a man is married, he can still get a paternity test with his wife's okay. And they cannot get paternity tests after 5 years of age - if they've raised a child for 5 years, they are accepting full responsibility for the child.

In a nutshell, in France:
1. If you are married and living together, the child is considered yours. If you suspect your wife cheated, you move out and begin the divorce process so paternity isn't granted to you.
2. If you get a girlfriend or random woman pregnant, the child is not considered your unless you sign the birth certificate OR the woman gets a court-ordered paternity test.
3. If you raise a child for over 5 years, it is considered yours regardless of paternity.
4. You cannot do secret testing on another person, it must be consensual.
5. You cannot do at-will testing on another person, there must be a court-approved reason.

Everyone cries foul but this sets a good precedent for other things, such as workplaces not being legally allowed to test you for things at-will or in-secret. Human rights extend to ALL people.

Ha!

Women: a woman at all times should be able to determine when and how to have children, if at all. #ReproductiveJustice

Also women: these massive procedural hoops a man must go through in France to determine he is or is not the father are totally reasonable and make sense even though the actual policy goal could be met through a more narrowly tailored law while still preserving paternal reproductive justice.

I don’t even disagree with the French policy in a vacuum which has overlap with similar to laws in the USA. But, the rationalization of this French policy by people who would also fight for reproductive justice for women is just really hard to reconcile. I’d love to hear the reconciliation. This is literally the kind of stuff that red pills men.

[Anonymous]

I didn't understand one word of the title or question

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Red pill men want to treat women poorly, manipulate them, and lie to them in order to get sex. Women just want to have sex, men want to be jerks. Red pill men also generally want women to not sleep around, are anti-divorce, anti-child support, and blame women for men's bad behavior.

Also, trying to navigate relationships in terms of "power dynamics" is absolutely exhausting. My xH was like that. Women don't want to bother with that crap. We just want healthy, functional relationships. My now-H and I just communicate without all this power nonsense. If he turns down sex, I don't flip out; it's literally just a "hey babe, I'm pretty tired tonight" and that's that.

Everyone is free to date the way they want. But, no, you don't get to lie to people or manipulate people, or try to take away women's rights - all things that red pill advocates.

RP men use tactics that women reward with sex. Women say they want functional relationships, but they don’t act like it when they reward the RPs.

RPs would say that “rights” for women make them worse off. The problem with feminism is that it has won rights for women without adding responsibilities to counterbalance those rights. A woman who has a side piece while dating other men certainly doesn’t act like she owes a prospective man anything. That’s fine but she shouldn’t expect much in return either.

“the problem with women having rights is …”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is interesting that the substance of what you’re saying is interpreted as hateful. ... If a man says the same thing [as a woman], well, that’s hate.

Thanks for understanding. My censored quote of H.L. Mencken's humorous definition of misogyny made exactly this point.

Anonymous wrote:the challenge that red pill dating poses to women is that it modestly shifts power dynamics for marginal men

After feminists fought regulation of women's bodies and behavior, some women want to opportunistically control men's behavior. For example, France banned paternity testing. Then again, France lacked age of consent laws until recently, so maybe they are just weird. Laws and social norms shift power and control.

If the OP defines "Red Pill" as men who don't feel obligated to buy dinner for strange women, then she can avoid them by using sugar dating websites. If she wants super-tolerant men, then she can post pictures featuring her blue armpit hair.

The challenge is to screen out bad men, while keeping good men. Good men set boundaries when dealing with the cesspool of internet dating. Complaining, being picky and difficult, and posting political tests can turn off desirable men. Men who are preoccupied with gender-war have probably not read a book except for paperback motivational crap. They are often racist and anti-immigrant, scapegoating others. Use those clues.

This isn't true. France did not ban all paternity testing. They banned at will & secret testing. So it's illegal to test a baby without informing the mother and getting her consent, as France has very strict laws around obtaining human tissue/body parts, which must always be done with consent (and is a VERY good thing, because in the US, police have historically been able to obtain samples without a warrant or consent). Obtaining samples from a child for paternity testing is simply an extension of this law. Also protects from meddling in-laws obtaining samples to test for paternity, or men who secretly test their child when they are adults.

If a man gets a woman pregnant, it is only considered his child if they are married, if he acknowledges the child is his or if she contests it in court (meaning *she* would need to get a court order for a paternity test). If a man is married, he can still get a paternity test with his wife's okay. And they cannot get paternity tests after 5 years of age - if they've raised a child for 5 years, they are accepting full responsibility for the child.

In a nutshell, in France:
1. If you are married and living together, the child is considered yours. If you suspect your wife cheated, you move out and begin the divorce process so paternity isn't granted to you.
2. If you get a girlfriend or random woman pregnant, the child is not considered your unless you sign the birth certificate OR the woman gets a court-ordered paternity test.
3. If you raise a child for over 5 years, it is considered yours regardless of paternity.
4. You cannot do secret testing on another person, it must be consensual.
5. You cannot do at-will testing on another person, there must be a court-approved reason.

Everyone cries foul but this sets a good precedent for other things, such as workplaces not being legally allowed to test you for things at-will or in-secret. Human rights extend to ALL people.

Ha!

Women: a woman at all times should be able to determine when and how to have children, if at all. #ReproductiveJustice

Also women: these massive procedural hoops a man must go through in France to determine he is or is not the father are totally reasonable and make sense even though the actual policy goal could be met through a more narrowly tailored law while still preserving paternal reproductive justice.

I don’t even disagree with the French policy in a vacuum which has overlap with similar to laws in the USA. But, the rationalization of this French policy by people who would also fight for reproductive justice for women is just really hard to reconcile. I’d love to hear the reconciliation. This is literally the kind of stuff that red pills men.

Sorry to say dude - at the moment you are scraping the barrel to use decontextualized examples from *other nation’s legal systems* to prove that women are evil, is the moment you’ve completely lost the plot. truly pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[In France:] If a man is married, he can still get a paternity test with his wife's okay.

The French Council of State has described the law's purpose as ... preserving "the peace of families."

In Israel:

Paternity tests ... were not ordered when there was a chance that the child of a married woman could have been fathered by a man other than her husband,

In Germany:

secret paternity testing is illegal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_paternity_testing

This is state-sanctioned cuckoldry. It is unenforced and unimportant. But your gaslighting validates Red Pill concerns about deception and controlling men.

omg. so I guess because you disagree with German law on paternity testing, that means women in the US should have fewer reproductive rights?

you are a pathetic, sad man.

[Anonymous]

So many incels on this forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[In France:] If a man is married, he can still get a paternity test with his wife's okay.

The French Council of State has described the law's purpose as ... preserving "the peace of families."

In Israel:

Paternity tests ... were not ordered when there was a chance that the child of a married woman could have been fathered by a man other than her husband,

In Germany:

secret paternity testing is illegal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_paternity_testing

This is state-sanctioned cuckoldry. It is unenforced and unimportant. But your gaslighting validates Red Pill concerns about deception and controlling men.

Who cares, freak show?

[Anonymous]

Avoid:

Men who call themselves nice.

Men who complain about how unfair their gender has it.

Men who are eating their way into having D cups while voting republican and complaining about "the trans."

Men who make less than you do but think every woman is a gold digger.

Men who say all of their exes are crazy.

Men who troll mommy boards with their "I'm going to shoot up a sorority house" vibes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Red pill men want to treat women poorly, manipulate them, and lie to them in order to get sex. Women just want to have sex, men want to be jerks. Red pill men also generally want women to not sleep around, are anti-divorce, anti-child support, and blame women for men's bad behavior.

Also, trying to navigate relationships in terms of "power dynamics" is absolutely exhausting. My xH was like that. Women don't want to bother with that crap. We just want healthy, functional relationships. My now-H and I just communicate without all this power nonsense. If he turns down sex, I don't flip out; it's literally just a "hey babe, I'm pretty tired tonight" and that's that.

Everyone is free to date the way they want. But, no, you don't get to lie to people or manipulate people, or try to take away women's rights - all things that red pill advocates.

RP men use tactics that women reward with sex. Women say they want functional relationships, but they don’t act like it when they reward the RPs.

RPs would say that “rights” for women make them worse off. The problem with feminism is that it has won rights for women without adding responsibilities to counterbalance those rights. A woman who has a side piece while dating other men certainly doesn’t act like she owes a prospective man anything. That’s fine but she shouldn’t expect much in return either.

The vast majority of red pill men are not in relationships or having sex, and the vast majority of women do not want them. A handful of men figured out they could make money off of lonely men by creating an image where they get women left and right, most of which is manufactured, and play into those men's victim mentality. If you really think men go into bars, neg women, and get laid, you're completely out of touch with reality.

No woman who goes on a first date with a man thinks he owes her anything. Most women find it very creepy if a man starts talking about commitment after one date. I don't even know any women who let a man pay for her anymore.

Rights have absolutely nothing to do with responsibilities, but what are these so-called "responsibilities" women don't have?

You have made all of this up in your head. Healthy men and women don't behave the way you think they do. You must be exhausting to deal with, which is likely why no women are interested in you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is interesting that the substance of what you’re saying is interpreted as hateful. ... If a man says the same thing [as a woman], well, that’s hate.

Thanks for understanding. My censored quote of H.L. Mencken's humorous definition of misogyny made exactly this point.

Anonymous wrote:the challenge that red pill dating poses to women is that it modestly shifts power dynamics for marginal men

After feminists fought regulation of women's bodies and behavior, some women want to opportunistically control men's behavior. For example, France banned paternity testing. Then again, France lacked age of consent laws until recently, so maybe they are just weird. Laws and social norms shift power and control.

If the OP defines "Red Pill" as men who don't feel obligated to buy dinner for strange women, then she can avoid them by using sugar dating websites. If she wants super-tolerant men, then she can post pictures featuring her blue armpit hair.

The challenge is to screen out bad men, while keeping good men. Good men set boundaries when dealing with the cesspool of internet dating. Complaining, being picky and difficult, and posting political tests can turn off desirable men. Men who are preoccupied with gender-war have probably not read a book except for paperback motivational crap. They are often racist and anti-immigrant, scapegoating others. Use those clues.

This isn't true. France did not ban all paternity testing. They banned at will & secret testing. So it's illegal to test a baby without informing the mother and getting her consent, as France has very strict laws around obtaining human tissue/body parts, which must always be done with consent (and is a VERY good thing, because in the US, police have historically been able to obtain samples without a warrant or consent). Obtaining samples from a child for paternity testing is simply an extension of this law. Also protects from meddling in-laws obtaining samples to test for paternity, or men who secretly test their child when they are adults.

If a man gets a woman pregnant, it is only considered his child if they are married, if he acknowledges the child is his or if she contests it in court (meaning *she* would need to get a court order for a paternity test). If a man is married, he can still get a paternity test with his wife's okay. And they cannot get paternity tests after 5 years of age - if they've raised a child for 5 years, they are accepting full responsibility for the child.

In a nutshell, in France:
1. If you are married and living together, the child is considered yours. If you suspect your wife cheated, you move out and begin the divorce process so paternity isn't granted to you.
2. If you get a girlfriend or random woman pregnant, the child is not considered your unless you sign the birth certificate OR the woman gets a court-ordered paternity test.
3. If you raise a child for over 5 years, it is considered yours regardless of paternity.
4. You cannot do secret testing on another person, it must be consensual.
5. You cannot do at-will testing on another person, there must be a court-approved reason.

Everyone cries foul but this sets a good precedent for other things, such as workplaces not being legally allowed to test you for things at-will or in-secret. Human rights extend to ALL people.

Ha!

Women: a woman at all times should be able to determine when and how to have children, if at all. #ReproductiveJustice

Also women: these massive procedural hoops a man must go through in France to determine he is or is not the father are totally reasonable and make sense even though the actual policy goal could be met through a more narrowly tailored law while still preserving paternal reproductive justice.

I don’t even disagree with the French policy in a vacuum which has overlap with similar to laws in the USA. But, the rationalization of this French policy by people who would also fight for reproductive justice for women is just really hard to reconcile. I’d love to hear the reconciliation. This is literally the kind of stuff that red pills men.

Reading comprehension is key.

Mothers are ALSO not allowed to conduct paternity tests on children. The law is about protecting bodily autonomy and ensuring children's tissues are not taken without BOTH parents' consent. Women must go through the exact same hoops for a paternity test to establish a man as the father.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
- dating isn’t a game
- don’t be an ahole

The "Red Pill" insight is that dating reality is not what it seems. It is indeed a game with its own rules.

A woman posted yesterday about testing men by offering to split the check, and then rejecting men who are too cheap to pay. The Red Pill is not about who should pay. It is about the indirect subcommunication. If she asks her date, he will says he is wealthy and powerful (but later "forget" his wallet). If she tells him she will sleep with him after he pays the check, then she will attract whoremongers. Instead, she tests him to elicit his true behavior.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1221994.page

Sometimes women test by make unreasonable provocations to gauge whether a man has the mettle to set reasonable boundaries. My friend was dating a stripper who exclaimed that she needed new rims on her car. He retorted "I'm not buying you rims!" That was when she became attracted (and later married him). I would not call him an "ahole", but he had to stop being nice and agreeable when she treated him with disdain.

Another friend locked his keys and phone in his house. Unable to cancel, he walked to their date in athletic clothes. She bought him a drink and they ultimately married. She was attracted because this incident revealed his true character as honest, well-mannered, and secure.

Some men unfortunately don't absorb the correct Red Pill lessons. They get bitter about the unfairness of life, instead of appreciating the nuances of social interaction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
- dating isn’t a game
- don’t be an ahole

The "Red Pill" insight is that dating reality is not what it seems. It is indeed a game with its own rules.

A woman posted yesterday about testing men by offering to split the check, and then rejecting men who are too cheap to pay. The Red Pill is not about who should pay. It is about the indirect subcommunication. If she asks her date, he will says he is wealthy and powerful (but later "forget" his wallet). If she tells him she will sleep with him after he pays the check, then she will attract whoremongers. Instead, she tests him to elicit his true behavior.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1221994.page

Sometimes women test by make unreasonable provocations to gauge whether a man has the mettle to set reasonable boundaries. My friend was dating a stripper who exclaimed that she needed new rims on her car. He retorted "I'm not buying you rims!" That was when she became attracted (and later married him). I would not call him an "ahole", but he had to stop being nice and agreeable when she treated him with disdain.

Another friend locked his keys and phone in his house. Unable to cancel, he walked to their date in athletic clothes. She bought him a drink and they ultimately married. She was attracted because this incident revealed his true character as honest, well-mannered, and secure.

Some men unfortunately don't absorb the correct Red Pill lessons. They get bitter about the unfairness of life, instead of appreciating the nuances of social interaction.

this was completely unintelligible

[Anonymous]

Reading this I am just happy to be old and married. Things seemed nicer when you didn't have an app that allowed you to date multiple people at a time