Red pill dating

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Anonymous wrote:I have a feeling the OP is naturally drawn to the more conservative types. In fact this a conundrum for the modern woman. In theory she wants a male feminist, but they are usually on the weak ineffectual side. And the right leaning ones are more manly and attractive.

I am liberal, male, and somewhat alpha and somewhat beta. I do fine dating. But I definitely noticed this kind of woman when I was dating as a young man and again after I divorced. It's very common. I don't mean that liberal women like Trump jerks but they often do like athletic, successful, alpha males. If you haven't noticed this then you're not paying attention.

There are tons of successful athletic liberal men. Thank goodness we don’t have to settle for trumpers.

Successful athletic liberal men*

If you haven’t noticed this then you’re not paying attention…

Yes. They are often alpha males who happen to be liberal politically. Many women prefer them to other liberal men who are less athletic and less successful. Isn't that obvious? "Alpha" to me means assertive and goal oriented. It doesn't mean obnoxious or Trumpy.

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Anonymous wrote:Some red flags are a man talking about how unfair it is that men are expected to pay on dates, praising Jordan Peterson, calling women females, dividing men into Alphas and Betas, treating the word "feminist" like a swear word, and complaining about how women don't care about mens' feelings.

You could also go on the offensive. Are you wearing clothes that make you look conservative? You can look at social media posts that say "clothes men hate" and pick out a few cute things from those. Some examples might be Birkenstocks, creative makeup, clothes that are more about fashion than emphasizing your waist, chest, and legs, etc. I like to look hot but I also don't give out Bama Rush vibes because I don't go for an ultra feminine aesthetic and I'm not tan.

If you are liberal, you can also come out and say liberal things, like talk about how much you like Kamala memes, make fun of Elon Musk and Andrew Tate, that sort of thing.

How does wearing clothes men hate help attract any men? Do you think non-red pilled men want to date a woman who looks terrible?

If men are judging women by their looks they are red pill men.

Being judgemental has nothing to do with any pills of any color. Read more.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a feeling the OP is naturally drawn to the more conservative types. In fact this a conundrum for the modern woman. In theory she wants a male feminist, but they are usually on the weak ineffectual side. And the right leaning ones are more manly and attractive.

I am liberal, male, and somewhat alpha and somewhat beta. I do fine dating. But I definitely noticed this kind of woman when I was dating as a young man and again after I divorced. It's very common. I don't mean that liberal women like Trump jerks but they often do like athletic, successful, alpha males. If you haven't noticed this then you're not paying attention.

There are tons of successful athletic liberal men. Thank goodness we don’t have to settle for trumpers.

Successful athletic liberal men*

If you haven’t noticed this then you’re not paying attention…

Yes. They are often alpha males who happen to be liberal politically. Many women prefer them to other liberal men who are less athletic and less successful. Isn't that obvious? "Alpha" to me means assertive and goal oriented. It doesn't mean obnoxious or Trumpy.

The thing about people who are into politics is that they are insufferable and have a never ending list of grievances. The intellectual laziness combined with repeating talking points is just too much. I understand screening out MAGA losers, but advertising your political affiliation is going to scare away tons of well rounded dudes.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m still not dating you if I get the mere whiff that you believe all that cr*p.

I believe women who admit dating with parallel hookups, and men whose dating lives improved when they acted like jerks. I might be credulous, but not hateful.

It is interesting that the substance of what you’re saying is interpreted as hateful.

If a woman says she had to shed societal expectations of who she should be and how she should date/mate, well, that’s liberation.

If a man says the same thing, well, that’s hate.

Conceding that there are some genuinely awful people on both the red pill and (militant) feminist side of the equation that provoke strong reactions . . .

I think, ultimately, the challenge that red pill dating poses to women is that it modestly shifts power dynamics for marginal men by telling those men to discard societal fictions (note, I am not saying that men don’t have the power, just that this is a further shift to the existing power dynamic). You can make all the valid observations in the world in support of RP ideas, but that’s the crux of the issue.

Even after twenty years of marriage and multiple kids, I’m lucky to have a robust sex life with my wife. But I don’t think there is anything that drives my wife crazier than the two or three times a year I am the one to turn it down. I suspect it is because this fundamentally shifts the expected relational dynamics.

NOTE: I support OP in dating whoever she wants for whatever reason she wants. If she or anyone else doesn’t want anything to do with RP guys, all the more power to her. But don’t the RP guys also have the right to set their own rules of engagement?

Sure. There are lots of masochists who coukd match with these guys.

RP doesn’t modestly shift relational dynamics. It abruptly ends them. Men who subscribe to this are so repulsive there are very few women willing to put up with it, and certainly not any woman who is in some way a catch. That’s what makes it so extra weird. It’s like the men who practice it are holding a glaring sign that says….. look at me I’m stupid. Yet while holding they think they are super smart and attractive.

These men are being told by other men “what’s attractive to women”. Except, it’s mostly on out attractive to other men. So they’re actively making themselves less datable by following it, which means they continue getting rejected, which means they continue reading/listening/buying more red pill self help stuff, and the circle continues. These people are scam artists and (some) men are buying right in.

I agree with you. But, like most good lies, there is a kernel of truth in red pill thinking that the grifters exploit. Some very good looking women are attracted to some really unlikable guys for some pretty superficial reasons. The guys are some combination of tall, strong, famous, or rich. And maybe the superficial qualities get a woman's sexual motor running even if that's not what she looks for in a long-term relationship. But, for various reasons, these qualities aren't so widely acknowledged by women as being attractive. Maybe it's only a large subset rather than the majority who find them attractive. Maybe it's a little embarrassing. Maybe they want to encourage traits they value in long-term relationships more than those traits they value for sexual attraction.

Whatever the reason, your average schlub looks around and it seems like women aren't going for the funny, responsible, sensitive guys like they say they want, and it really does seem like the hottest women with the most options are hooking up with the rich, good-looking douchebags. They don't settle down with the "good guys" until they're done having wild sex and want to have a home, kids, and a bunch of other stuff that requires resources. So the grifters exploit that: "women are gold-digging liars! Trust me, not them. Buy my system and I'll show you what women *really* want."

Do you think that if the “average schlub” stopped worrying about what the “hottest women” are doing, he might be able to happily partner with a similarly average woman?

I’m not using “average” as in insult here. Most people are average. But this just reads like a lot of guys are mad they can’t date out of their league.

yep.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a feeling the OP is naturally drawn to the more conservative types. In fact this a conundrum for the modern woman. In theory she wants a male feminist, but they are usually on the weak ineffectual side. And the right leaning ones are more manly and attractive.

I am liberal, male, and somewhat alpha and somewhat beta. I do fine dating. But I definitely noticed this kind of woman when I was dating as a young man and again after I divorced. It's very common. I don't mean that liberal women like Trump jerks but they often do like athletic, successful, alpha males. If you haven't noticed this then you're not paying attention.

There are tons of successful athletic liberal men. Thank goodness we don’t have to settle for trumpers.

Successful athletic liberal men*

If you haven’t noticed this then you’re not paying attention…

Yes. They are often alpha males who happen to be liberal politically. Many women prefer them to other liberal men who are less athletic and less successful. Isn't that obvious? "Alpha" to me means assertive and goal oriented. It doesn't mean obnoxious or Trumpy.

The thing about people who are into politics is that they are insufferable and have a never ending list of grievances. The intellectual laziness combined with repeating talking points is just too much. I understand screening out MAGA losers, but advertising your political affiliation is going to scare away tons of well rounded dudes.

Not really. I dont want someone passive about certain issues. If thats you, were not a match. And thats fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the hottest women... are hooking up with ... douchebags.

Welcome to the Red Pill comrade. Allow me to be the first to call you a misogynist and incel.

Anonymous wrote:be respectful and be yourself for both men and women.

This is the nice, conventional Blue Pill fantasy. You are a keyboard jockey who has not seduced many women with that approach. Men with a strong sense of identity don't wait for social approval. Is it "respectful" to approach a stranger? The female perspective is that it is only okay if the woman wants it. But women don't always know what they want, and men generally can't tell.

Sexually successful men are confident enough to go for what they want. They easily accept rejection because they don't take it personally. One of the most successful men I knew was short and potbellied, hosting loads of parties with many hot women. I remember him inviting a woman and looking shocked when she refused. He wasn't offended. He just thought that he offered her a personal invite to the hottest party in town that many gorgeous women craved.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m still not dating you if I get the mere whiff that you believe all that cr*p.

I believe women who admit dating with parallel hookups, and men whose dating lives improved when they acted like jerks. I might be credulous, but not hateful.

It is interesting that the substance of what you’re saying is interpreted as hateful.

If a woman says she had to shed societal expectations of who she should be and how she should date/mate, well, that’s liberation.

If a man says the same thing, well, that’s hate.

Conceding that there are some genuinely awful people on both the red pill and (militant) feminist side of the equation that provoke strong reactions . . .

I think, ultimately, the challenge that red pill dating poses to women is that it modestly shifts power dynamics for marginal men by telling those men to discard societal fictions (note, I am not saying that men don’t have the power, just that this is a further shift to the existing power dynamic). You can make all the valid observations in the world in support of RP ideas, but that’s the crux of the issue.

Even after twenty years of marriage and multiple kids, I’m lucky to have a robust sex life with my wife. But I don’t think there is anything that drives my wife crazier than the two or three times a year I am the one to turn it down. I suspect it is because this fundamentally shifts the expected relational dynamics.

NOTE: I support OP in dating whoever she wants for whatever reason she wants. If she or anyone else doesn’t want anything to do with RP guys, all the more power to her. But don’t the RP guys also have the right to set their own rules of engagement?

Sure. There are lots of masochists who coukd match with these guys.

RP doesn’t modestly shift relational dynamics. It abruptly ends them. Men who subscribe to this are so repulsive there are very few women willing to put up with it, and certainly not any woman who is in some way a catch. That’s what makes it so extra weird. It’s like the men who practice it are holding a glaring sign that says….. look at me I’m stupid. Yet while holding they think they are super smart and attractive.

These men are being told by other men “what’s attractive to women”. Except, it’s mostly on out attractive to other men. So they’re actively making themselves less datable by following it, which means they continue getting rejected, which means they continue reading/listening/buying more red pill self help stuff, and the circle continues. These people are scam artists and (some) men are buying right in.

I agree with you. But, like most good lies, there is a kernel of truth in red pill thinking that the grifters exploit. Some very good looking women are attracted to some really unlikable guys for some pretty superficial reasons. The guys are some combination of tall, strong, famous, or rich. And maybe the superficial qualities get a woman's sexual motor running even if that's not what she looks for in a long-term relationship. But, for various reasons, these qualities aren't so widely acknowledged by women as being attractive. Maybe it's only a large subset rather than the majority who find them attractive. Maybe it's a little embarrassing. Maybe they want to encourage traits they value in long-term relationships more than those traits they value for sexual attraction.

Whatever the reason, your average schlub looks around and it seems like women aren't going for the funny, responsible, sensitive guys like they say they want, and it really does seem like the hottest women with the most options are hooking up with the rich, good-looking douchebags. They don't settle down with the "good guys" until they're done having wild sex and want to have a home, kids, and a bunch of other stuff that requires resources. So the grifters exploit that: "women are gold-digging liars! Trust me, not them. Buy my system and I'll show you what women *really* want."

Do you think that if the “average schlub” stopped worrying about what the “hottest women” are doing, he might be able to happily partner with a similarly average woman?

I’m not using “average” as in insult here. Most people are average. But this just reads like a lot of guys are mad they can’t date out of their league.

I single out the "hottest women" because they are the ones with the most options. It stands to reason that the choices they make are what the other women would also choose if they had a similar range of options -- in other words, the choices of hot women reflect what women "really" want.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:the hottest women... are hooking up with ... douchebags.

Welcome to the Red Pill comrade. Allow me to be the first to call you a misogynist and incel.

Anonymous wrote:be respectful and be yourself for both men and women.

This is the nice, conventional Blue Pill fantasy. You are a keyboard jockey who has not seduced many women with that approach. Men with a strong sense of identity don't wait for social approval. Is it "respectful" to approach a stranger? The female perspective is that it is only okay if the woman wants it. But women don't always know what they want, and men generally can't tell.

Sexually successful men are confident enough to go for what they want. They easily accept rejection because they don't take it personally. One of the most successful men I knew was short and potbellied, hosting loads of parties with many hot women. I remember him inviting a woman and looking shocked when she refused. He wasn't offended. He just thought that he offered her a personal invite to the hottest party in town that many gorgeous women craved.

Sounds like Ron Jeremy! I keed. I keed. But does.