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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It is interesting that the substance of what you’re saying is interpreted as hateful. ... If a man says the same thing [as a woman], well, that’s hate. 
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Thanks for understanding.  My censored quote of H.L. Mencken's humorous definition of misogyny made exactly this point.
[quote=Anonymous]the challenge that red pill dating poses to women is that it modestly shifts power dynamics for marginal men [/quote]
After feminists fought regulation of women's bodies and behavior, some women want to opportunistically control men's behavior.  [b]For example, France banned paternity testing.[/b]  Then again, France lacked age of consent laws until recently, so maybe they are just weird.  Laws and social norms shift power and control.

If the OP defines "Red Pill" as men who don't feel obligated to buy dinner for strange women, then she can avoid them by using sugar dating websites.  If she wants super-tolerant men, then she can post pictures featuring her blue armpit hair.

The challenge is to screen out bad men, while keeping good men.  Good men set boundaries when dealing with the cesspool of internet dating.  Complaining, being picky and difficult, and posting political tests can turn off desirable men.  Men who are preoccupied with gender-war have probably not read a book except for paperback motivational crap.  They are often racist and anti-immigrant, scapegoating others.  Use those clues.[/quote]

This isn't true. France did not ban all paternity testing. They banned at will & secret testing. So it's illegal to test a baby without informing the mother and getting her consent, as France has very strict laws around obtaining human tissue/body parts, which must always be done with consent (and is a VERY good thing, because in the US, police have historically been able to obtain samples without a warrant or consent). Obtaining samples from a child for paternity testing is simply an extension of this law. Also protects from meddling in-laws obtaining samples to test for paternity, or men who secretly test their child when they are adults.

If a man gets a woman pregnant, it is only considered his child if they are married, if he acknowledges the child is his or if she contests it in court (meaning *she* would need to get a court order for a paternity test). If a man is married, he can still get a paternity test with his wife's okay. And they cannot get paternity tests after 5 years of age - if they've raised a child for 5 years, they are accepting full responsibility for the child.

In a nutshell, in France:
1. If you are married and living together, the child is considered yours. If you suspect your wife cheated, you move out and begin the divorce process so paternity isn't granted to you.
2. If you get a girlfriend or random woman pregnant, the child is not considered your unless you sign the birth certificate OR the woman gets a court-ordered paternity test.
3. If you raise a child for over 5 years, it is considered yours regardless of paternity. 
4. You cannot do secret testing on another person, it must be consensual.
5. You cannot do at-will testing on another person, there must be a court-approved reason.

Everyone cries foul but this sets a good precedent for other things, such as workplaces not being legally allowed to test you for things at-will or in-secret. Human rights extend to ALL people.[/quote]

Ha!

Women:  a woman at all times should be able to determine when and how to have children, if at all.  #ReproductiveJustice

Also women:  these massive procedural hoops a man must go through in France to determine he is or is not the father are totally reasonable and make sense even though the actual policy goal could be met through a more narrowly tailored law while still preserving paternal reproductive justice.

I don’t even disagree with the French policy in a vacuum which has overlap with similar to laws in the USA. But, the rationalization of this French policy by people who would also fight for reproductive justice for women is just really hard to reconcile. I’d love to hear the reconciliation.  This is literally the kind of stuff that red pills men. [/quote]

Sorry to say dude - at the moment you are scraping the barrel to use decontextualized examples from *other nation’s legal systems* to prove that women are evil, is the moment you’ve completely lost the plot. truly pathetic. [/quote]

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