School Board Forum on "Boundary and Capacity"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PP who said they wouldn't broadcast the forum discussion (even though it was under the broader "work session" heading) was right. So they apparently had a discussion this week about pushing forward revisions to the boundary policy so that (according to Kyle McDaniel, at least) they can propose county-wide boundary adjustments, and at this point no one knows what they intend to prioritize or hope to accomplish.

Yep, I tried finding it on the YouTube channel yesterday. I really hope that cooler heads prevail and that they don’t do a country-wide redistricting. It’d really mess with a lot of kids’ lives, and as one board member put it last week, kids who get redistricted tend to have poorer outcomes, and in particular, low income kids.

The problem is that they have kicked the can for decades and a total reorganization is what is needed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP who said they wouldn't broadcast the forum discussion (even though it was under the broader "work session" heading) was right. So they apparently had a discussion this week about pushing forward revisions to the boundary policy so that (according to Kyle McDaniel, at least) they can propose county-wide boundary adjustments, and at this point no one knows what they intend to prioritize or hope to accomplish.

Yep, I tried finding it on the YouTube channel yesterday. I really hope that cooler heads prevail and that they don’t do a country-wide redistricting. It’d really mess with a lot of kids’ lives, and as one board member put it last week, kids who get redistricted tend to have poorer outcomes, and in particular, low income kids.

The problem is that they have kicked the can for decades and a total reorganization is what is needed.

That’s exactly what the people they are supposed to be representing don’t want, according to the outreach conducted by their paid consultants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP who said they wouldn't broadcast the forum discussion (even though it was under the broader "work session" heading) was right. So they apparently had a discussion this week about pushing forward revisions to the boundary policy so that (according to Kyle McDaniel, at least) they can propose county-wide boundary adjustments, and at this point no one knows what they intend to prioritize or hope to accomplish.

Yep, I tried finding it on the YouTube channel yesterday. I really hope that cooler heads prevail and that they don’t do a country-wide redistricting. It’d really mess with a lot of kids’ lives, and as one board member put it last week, kids who get redistricted tend to have poorer outcomes, and in particular, low income kids.

The problem is that they have kicked the can for decades and a total reorganization is what is needed.

Kicked the can on screwing kids in general and in particular poor kids over? Well, I hope they keep kicking.

[Anonymous]

Oh look, people trying to keep the poor kids away. The people of Fairfax never disappoint.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PP who said they wouldn't broadcast the forum discussion (even though it was under the broader "work session" heading) was right. So they apparently had a discussion this week about pushing forward revisions to the boundary policy so that (according to Kyle McDaniel, at least) they can propose county-wide boundary adjustments, and at this point no one knows what they intend to prioritize or hope to accomplish.

I think everyone knows what they intend to accomplish. "Equity". Spread out the poor students so there are no more "good schools" or "bad schools". Even though there will still be the same number of failing kids.

If research is to be trusted, spreading poor kids out lifts the bar for everyone. Removing them from the ghettos helps with assimilation, and the benefits of assimilation are immeasurable. And, less failing ELL kids means finally there's time to focus on higher academics for native English speakers. Truly, anyone who wants more for their UMC kids should support programs for ELL kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Karl Frisch is claiming that the School Board shouldn’t make “one-off” decisions about boundaries or school expansions because they are politicians, yet he single-handedly is going to force boundary adjustments for most of the elementary schools within the Marshall pyramid in a few years by pushing through the Dunn Loring ES project, which based on staff’s prior analysis was on the back burner and not at all a priority before Frisch decided to accelerate it.

Why they are doing now will just be used as an excuse for not dealing with long-overcrowded and/or neglected schools. These people suck.

Karl Frisch shouldn't even be allowed on the school board. Having children in the system should be a requirement for being elected to the school board, and having children in the system should be a requirement for voting for the school board. Why are we allowing people without any skin in the game to make decisions about our kid's education?

Totally agree.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PP who said they wouldn't broadcast the forum discussion (even though it was under the broader "work session" heading) was right. So they apparently had a discussion this week about pushing forward revisions to the boundary policy so that (according to Kyle McDaniel, at least) they can propose county-wide boundary adjustments, and at this point no one knows what they intend to prioritize or hope to accomplish.

I think everyone knows what they intend to accomplish. "Equity". Spread out the poor students so there are no more "good schools" or "bad schools". Even though there will still be the same number of failing kids.

If research is to be trusted, spreading poor kids out lifts the bar for everyone. Removing them from the ghettos helps with assimilation, and the benefits of assimilation are immeasurable. And, less failing ELL kids means finally there's time to focus on higher academics for native English speakers. Truly, anyone who wants more for their UMC kids should support programs for ELL kids.

DP. "Ghettos"?? Why don't you just say what you mean: you support busing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some Franklin Farm kids need to be sent to Herndon. Franklin Middle needs to feed to Oakton.

Some Westfield and Chantilly kids need to be sent to Centerville (Virginia Run/Bull Run and Poplar Tree (make is a split feeder).

No and no. You have no idea what you are talking about.

First you say you would you send kids a mile or two from Chantilly and not far from Westfield to Herndon. And then you say send all of Franklin to Oakton. The non-Oakton piece of Franklin IS Franklin Farm.

So are you sending the kids who live the closest to Chantilly HS to Herndon or Oakton (45 minute rush hour commute)?

Not to poster to whom you’re responding, but curious as to who you think will get moved to Centreville since it’s now clear that at some level they’ve decided the solution to the overcrowding at Chantilly is to expand Centreville to 3000 (just as they previously, though incorrectly, decided the solution to overcrowding at McLean was to expand Langley to 2370).

I suggested Oakton because those parents would settle for that vs the other high school choices in the area. I mean, they could draw the boundary at 50 and all of Franklin could get shifted to Westfield. Because centreville is meant to relieve Westfield (bull run es/Virginia run es), leaving room to shift Chantilly kids to Westfield.

Chantilly is literally sitting on 50. That would move kids who live 1/4 mile from Chantilly in the neighborhoods right across the street on long bus rides. If they care about efficient use of busing, sending kids who are walkable on long bus rides ain’t ir. .

And no, Parents who live near Chantilly would not “settle” for their kids sitting on 66 for 45 minutes to get to school when there is an equally good high school a mile/ 5 minutes from their house. And that is not a commute I would let a high school aged driver do. I’d send my kids to Centreville or Westfield or apply for pupil placement to SLHS IB before I signed up to do more than an hour round trip for every sports pickup and after school activity. You have to draw a long, narrow rectangle with a ton of rush hour traffic going nowhere to make that boundary work. Would you send kids who live near the Vienna metro to Chantilly? Didn’t think so.

I'm happy to hear you are a parent open to that area moving to Westfields. We need more people like you.

“We need more parents like you” willing to tear entire communities apart and potentially hurt their own property values and totally upend their kids’ lives to save the county a little bit of gas money.

Like it or not, redistricting has major impacts to communities, that’s why it gets done only on the margins.

Drama queen much?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some Franklin Farm kids need to be sent to Herndon. Franklin Middle needs to feed to Oakton.

Some Westfield and Chantilly kids need to be sent to Centerville (Virginia Run/Bull Run and Poplar Tree (make is a split feeder).

No and no. You have no idea what you are talking about.

First you say you would you send kids a mile or two from Chantilly and not far from Westfield to Herndon. And then you say send all of Franklin to Oakton. The non-Oakton piece of Franklin IS Franklin Farm.

So are you sending the kids who live the closest to Chantilly HS to Herndon or Oakton (45 minute rush hour commute)?

Not to poster to whom you’re responding, but curious as to who you think will get moved to Centreville since it’s now clear that at some level they’ve decided the solution to the overcrowding at Chantilly is to expand Centreville to 3000 (just as they previously, though incorrectly, decided the solution to overcrowding at McLean was to expand Langley to 2370).

I suggested Oakton because those parents would settle for that vs the other high school choices in the area. I mean, they could draw the boundary at 50 and all of Franklin could get shifted to Westfield. Because centreville is meant to relieve Westfield (bull run es/Virginia run es), leaving room to shift Chantilly kids to Westfield.

Chantilly is literally sitting on 50. That would move kids who live 1/4 mile from Chantilly in the neighborhoods right across the street on long bus rides. If they care about efficient use of busing, sending kids who are walkable on long bus rides ain’t ir. .

And no, Parents who live near Chantilly would not “settle” for their kids sitting on 66 for 45 minutes to get to school when there is an equally good high school a mile/ 5 minutes from their house. And that is not a commute I would let a high school aged driver do. I’d send my kids to Centreville or Westfield or apply for pupil placement to SLHS IB before I signed up to do more than an hour round trip for every sports pickup and after school activity. You have to draw a long, narrow rectangle with a ton of rush hour traffic going nowhere to make that boundary work. Would you send kids who live near the Vienna metro to Chantilly? Didn’t think so.

I'm happy to hear you are a parent open to that area moving to Westfields. We need more people like you.

“We need more parents like you” willing to tear entire communities apart and potentially hurt their own property values and totally upend their kids’ lives to save the county a little bit of gas money.

Like it or not, redistricting has major impacts to communities, that’s why it gets done only on the margins.

Have you considered the existence of tens of thousands of kids and their families whose property values have already been plummetting and that currently attend failing schools within FCPS? All because we deliberately concentrate them. Roughly 10 of our 25 pyramids are below the Virginia average performance based on SAT. Property value should be a moot point anyway, but the fact that we have so many failing schools is indefensible.

25 years ago all the FCPS pyramids were above average for the state (except for maybe one or two). I think the housing stock in some of the older neighborhoods may no longer be appealing. Also some of the apartment communities are probably due for long needed investments if not complete rebuilds.

Interestingly, Pimmit Hills is an exception to this trend. The neighborhood has undergone a complete transformation during the same time period. The Marshall HS pyramid is also now very desirable.

Marshall HS has always been very desirable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Karl Frisch is claiming that the School Board shouldn’t make “one-off” decisions about boundaries or school expansions because they are politicians, yet he single-handedly is going to force boundary adjustments for most of the elementary schools within the Marshall pyramid in a few years by pushing through the Dunn Loring ES project, which based on staff’s prior analysis was on the back burner and not at all a priority before Frisch decided to accelerate it.

Why they are doing now will just be used as an excuse for not dealing with long-overcrowded and/or neglected schools. These people suck.

I hate that guy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP who said they wouldn't broadcast the forum discussion (even though it was under the broader "work session" heading) was right. So they apparently had a discussion this week about pushing forward revisions to the boundary policy so that (according to Kyle McDaniel, at least) they can propose county-wide boundary adjustments, and at this point no one knows what they intend to prioritize or hope to accomplish.

I think everyone knows what they intend to accomplish. "Equity". Spread out the poor students so there are no more "good schools" or "bad schools". Even though there will still be the same number of failing kids.

If research is to be trusted, spreading poor kids out lifts the bar for everyone. Removing them from the ghettos helps with assimilation, and the benefits of assimilation are immeasurable. And, less failing ELL kids means finally there's time to focus on higher academics for native English speakers. Truly, anyone who wants more for their UMC kids should support programs for ELL kids.

Research says it lifts the bar for poor kids but not for everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Karl Frisch is claiming that the School Board shouldn’t make “one-off” decisions about boundaries or school expansions because they are politicians, yet he single-handedly is going to force boundary adjustments for most of the elementary schools within the Marshall pyramid in a few years by pushing through the Dunn Loring ES project, which based on staff’s prior analysis was on the back burner and not at all a priority before Frisch decided to accelerate it.

Why they are doing now will just be used as an excuse for not dealing with long-overcrowded and/or neglected schools. These people suck.

Karl Frisch shouldn't even be allowed on the school board. Having children in the system should be a requirement for being elected to the school board, and having children in the system should be a requirement for voting for the school board. Why are we allowing people without any skin in the game to make decisions about our kid's education?

His husband is a teacher.

[Anonymous]

I just want my kids to go to a school that is not 30 minutes away.
-Future Oakton parent

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some Franklin Farm kids need to be sent to Herndon. Franklin Middle needs to feed to Oakton.

Some Westfield and Chantilly kids need to be sent to Centerville (Virginia Run/Bull Run and Poplar Tree (make is a split feeder).

No and no. You have no idea what you are talking about.

First you say you would you send kids a mile or two from Chantilly and not far from Westfield to Herndon. And then you say send all of Franklin to Oakton. The non-Oakton piece of Franklin IS Franklin Farm.

So are you sending the kids who live the closest to Chantilly HS to Herndon or Oakton (45 minute rush hour commute)?

Not to poster to whom you’re responding, but curious as to who you think will get moved to Centreville since it’s now clear that at some level they’ve decided the solution to the overcrowding at Chantilly is to expand Centreville to 3000 (just as they previously, though incorrectly, decided the solution to overcrowding at McLean was to expand Langley to 2370).

I suggested Oakton because those parents would settle for that vs the other high school choices in the area. I mean, they could draw the boundary at 50 and all of Franklin could get shifted to Westfield. Because centreville is meant to relieve Westfield (bull run es/Virginia run es), leaving room to shift Chantilly kids to Westfield.

Chantilly is literally sitting on 50. That would move kids who live 1/4 mile from Chantilly in the neighborhoods right across the street on long bus rides. If they care about efficient use of busing, sending kids who are walkable on long bus rides ain’t ir. .

And no, Parents who live near Chantilly would not “settle” for their kids sitting on 66 for 45 minutes to get to school when there is an equally good high school a mile/ 5 minutes from their house. And that is not a commute I would let a high school aged driver do. I’d send my kids to Centreville or Westfield or apply for pupil placement to SLHS IB before I signed up to do more than an hour round trip for every sports pickup and after school activity. You have to draw a long, narrow rectangle with a ton of rush hour traffic going nowhere to make that boundary work. Would you send kids who live near the Vienna metro to Chantilly? Didn’t think so.

I'm happy to hear you are a parent open to that area moving to Westfields. We need more people like you.

“We need more parents like you” willing to tear entire communities apart and potentially hurt their own property values and totally upend their kids’ lives to save the county a little bit of gas money.

Like it or not, redistricting has major impacts to communities, that’s why it gets done only on the margins.

Have you considered the existence of tens of thousands of kids and their families whose property values have already been plummetting and that currently attend failing schools within FCPS? All because we deliberately concentrate them. Roughly 10 of our 25 pyramids are below the Virginia average performance based on SAT. Property value should be a moot point anyway, but the fact that we have so many failing schools is indefensible.

25 years ago all the FCPS pyramids were above average for the state (except for maybe one or two). I think the housing stock in some of the older neighborhoods may no longer be appealing. Also some of the apartment communities are probably due for long needed investments if not complete rebuilds.

Interestingly, Pimmit Hills is an exception to this trend. The neighborhood has undergone a complete transformation during the same time period. The Marshall HS pyramid is also now very desirable.

Marshall HS has always been very desirable.

No, it hasn't. It was in the bottom half of FCPS for much of the 90s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Karl Frisch is claiming that the School Board shouldn’t make “one-off” decisions about boundaries or school expansions because they are politicians, yet he single-handedly is going to force boundary adjustments for most of the elementary schools within the Marshall pyramid in a few years by pushing through the Dunn Loring ES project, which based on staff’s prior analysis was on the back burner and not at all a priority before Frisch decided to accelerate it.

Why they are doing now will just be used as an excuse for not dealing with long-overcrowded and/or neglected schools. These people suck.

Karl Frisch shouldn't even be allowed on the school board. Having children in the system should be a requirement for being elected to the school board, and having children in the system should be a requirement for voting for the school board. Why are we allowing people without any skin in the game to make decisions about our kid's education?

His husband is a teacher.

It's well known that he puts what he perceives to be the interests of teachers above those of families with kids.