Boundary Study Townhalls - first one starts now

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Anonymous wrote:Question for the Whittier poster - were you not aware of the crappy building and rats before you enrolled your child? Another question- once you became aware, did you choose to keep your child there, with no assurances from anyone that the situation was going to change? If the answer to either one of these questions is yes, then sit down somewhere and focus on making some choices that will actually help your child rather than complaining into the void of DCUM. Move or play the lottery. It gets so tiring when people refuse to play the cards they’ve been dealt. Assume nothing will change in DCPS and be surprised when it does. Make your choices accordingly (and if you are posting here, you probably do have choices)

I am a Whittier parent and we didn’t get in to any other school in the lottery. You know that happens right? This is why people complain about upper NW parents not actually giving a crap about anyone else. But when their Petunia doesn’t get into a higher level math class then burn the whole system down.

Y’all are missing the point. The very thing you hate about the NW parents is that they are not afraid to go crazy over anything they think is not in line with an ideal education. So the thing that you hate about them is what makes them so successful. And they don’t really spend their time unleashing their crazy to this forum (even if it seems like it…I know a few like to argue here). They mostly unleash their crazy on school admin, city council, DCPS, the Mayor’s office, the Washington Post, etc.

So here is my advice. And I am being serious not snarky. Instead of analyzing on here your various levels of hate of this kind of parent behavior and then wishing their kids would go to your school so they can do the “crazy” work for your school…spend your time adopting a little “crazy” and going after the people who can do something. Maybe email the PTA’s of these places and ask for advice on how to be as crazy as they are. Do you really think they would embarrass themselves in this way if it didn’t work to go ape s**t if they don’t get nice buildings, AP course offerings and the like?

It’s not the zero sum game you think it is. There is room for every school to succeed. DCPS/government is lazy with your school because they can be. You are model parents to them. Gold star. And what do you get for it?

I’m not missing the point. One of the PPs basically said you knew there were rats at the school before you enrolled so you can’t complain. And then said we should lottery or move. This isn’t about action or making noise, please trust the Whittier community has done those things. It’s about those parents who think they just make more noise because they do more not realizing their voices make more noise because of where they live and the influence of those neighborhoods. And I was commenting because that PP just didn’t care that not every family can move or lottery across the city and did t care that their city has rat infested schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Push Shepherd to Coolidge and the south part of the Coolidge catchment further south to the underenrolled schools, just like Hardy is being pushed south to MacA. There are plenty of open seats at existing schools.

Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

I know plenty of W7 and W8 kids commuting to attend Shepherd, Deal, JR, and DCI. Why would they not also commute to Lafayette or Janney given the opportunity. There is a way to have equitable access for these schools. Yes, they should not be enrolling over capacity but 100% of the lottery spots should be at risk. Not even 10-15% but 100% of them.

And if you are going to shut out MC kids in Wards 7,8,4, etc. from the lottery, you need to make MC students in some of the wealthier schools (Lafayette, Shepherd, Murch, and now Bancroft, etc.) share the resources that flow with them by integrating schools EOTP. You can draw lines dictated by property values and say the kids on military road a certain section of 16th Street get the golden ticket, and the other section of 16th street or the kids on Piney Branch can never get access to "Wilson for All" because their houses are not worth as much.

Has nothing to do with property values. All schools should have a set aside for at risk student. The ones that are closer to 100% capacity AND have a very low threshold of At-risk should be 100% at risk for any OOB spots until they reach X threshold. It's not that hard.

Lafayette is 2% at risk. They should not be able to accept a student from the lottery that is not designated at-risk until they are 10% or 15% at-risk. This should be for every DCPS neighborhood school at all levels.

Other than that, go to your IB school or one of the many city wide charters if you want school choice. Nobody says there is access to Lafayette for all.

Has everything to do with property values - some of the kids zoned for Lafayette (and Shepherd) could very easily commute to Brightwood or Whittier or Takoma - but because they are wealthy, entitled, and mostly white, they won't commute. Witness the stink about ECE for Lafayette parents. Mayor could have given Military Road school to Brightwood to relieve overcrowding - nope - she offered it to Chevy Chase and they said we would rather die than cross the park. #Facts.

What are you talking about? You are suggesting elementary kids commute 2-4 miles a day one-way for an new in-boundary school? What other DCPS school has the majority of in-boundary families commuting 2-4 miles a day. That is not an "easy" commute.

Well, I live IB for Takoma, and I was assigned a DPR camp in Chevy Chase - it took me 10 minutes in the morning to get there. It was an extremely easy commute. Shepherd to Takoma is about 8 minutes. Easy-peasy.

Summertime traffic is not the same as school year traffic. Also, you didn’t answer the question of where else in DCPS families commute 2-4 miles for an inbound school. Finally, your privilege is showing.

Your numbers do sound pretty wacky. But to answer your question (even with your bad numbers), Bancroft is 3.0 miles from Jackson-Reed. Shepherd is 4.2 miles from Jackson-Reed. Lafayette is 2.0 miles from Jackson-Reed. Shepherd is 1.2 miles from Ida B. Wells. Lafayette is 3 miles from Ida B. Wells.

I commute to an afterschool program twice a week during rush hour to Chevy Chase - it's 15 minutes from Takoma.

Bancroft is 0.5 miles from CHEC (boundary is across the street), 1.2 miles to MacFarland, and 1.4 to Cardozo. All less than half the distance of J-R.

CHEC is 111% capacity, Roosevelt (MacFarland's HS) is 137% capacity. Both higher than Deal or JR. What are you trying to solve?

There are two sets of capacity numbers, within existing facility and with buildout/trailers. City is looking at both.

Yes, and CHEC and Roosevelt don't have trailers. Their actual capacity is 111/137. JR without trailers will be well under 100% this year. Deal is 101% without trailers and in the 80% with trailers Z no matter how you slice it CHEC and Roosevelt are MORE crowded than Deal or JR.

This isn’t true. Why do people just make things up and post them? JR does have trailers and will definitely not be under 100% this year. So assume the other numbers are also wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Push Shepherd to Coolidge and the south part of the Coolidge catchment further south to the underenrolled schools, just like Hardy is being pushed south to MacA. There are plenty of open seats at existing schools.

Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

I know plenty of W7 and W8 kids commuting to attend Shepherd, Deal, JR, and DCI. Why would they not also commute to Lafayette or Janney given the opportunity. There is a way to have equitable access for these schools. Yes, they should not be enrolling over capacity but 100% of the lottery spots should be at risk. Not even 10-15% but 100% of them.

And if you are going to shut out MC kids in Wards 7,8,4, etc. from the lottery, you need to make MC students in some of the wealthier schools (Lafayette, Shepherd, Murch, and now Bancroft, etc.) share the resources that flow with them by integrating schools EOTP. You can draw lines dictated by property values and say the kids on military road a certain section of 16th Street get the golden ticket, and the other section of 16th street or the kids on Piney Branch can never get access to "Wilson for All" because their houses are not worth as much.

Has nothing to do with property values. All schools should have a set aside for at risk student. The ones that are closer to 100% capacity AND have a very low threshold of At-risk should be 100% at risk for any OOB spots until they reach X threshold. It's not that hard.

Lafayette is 2% at risk. They should not be able to accept a student from the lottery that is not designated at-risk until they are 10% or 15% at-risk. This should be for every DCPS neighborhood school at all levels.

Other than that, go to your IB school or one of the many city wide charters if you want school choice. Nobody says there is access to Lafayette for all.

Has everything to do with property values - some of the kids zoned for Lafayette (and Shepherd) could very easily commute to Brightwood or Whittier or Takoma - but because they are wealthy, entitled, and mostly white, they won't commute. Witness the stink about ECE for Lafayette parents. Mayor could have given Military Road school to Brightwood to relieve overcrowding - nope - she offered it to Chevy Chase and they said we would rather die than cross the park. #Facts.

What are you talking about? You are suggesting elementary kids commute 2-4 miles a day one-way for an new in-boundary school? What other DCPS school has the majority of in-boundary families commuting 2-4 miles a day. That is not an "easy" commute.

Well, I live IB for Takoma, and I was assigned a DPR camp in Chevy Chase - it took me 10 minutes in the morning to get there. It was an extremely easy commute. Shepherd to Takoma is about 8 minutes. Easy-peasy.

Summertime traffic is not the same as school year traffic. Also, you didn’t answer the question of where else in DCPS families commute 2-4 miles for an inbound school. Finally, your privilege is showing.

Your numbers do sound pretty wacky. But to answer your question (even with your bad numbers), Bancroft is 3.0 miles from Jackson-Reed. Shepherd is 4.2 miles from Jackson-Reed. Lafayette is 2.0 miles from Jackson-Reed. Shepherd is 1.2 miles from Ida B. Wells. Lafayette is 3 miles from Ida B. Wells.

I commute to an afterschool program twice a week during rush hour to Chevy Chase - it's 15 minutes from Takoma.

Bancroft is 0.5 miles from CHEC (boundary is across the street), 1.2 miles to MacFarland, and 1.4 to Cardozo. All less than half the distance of J-R.

CHEC is 111% capacity, Roosevelt (MacFarland's HS) is 137% capacity. Both higher than Deal or JR. What are you trying to solve?

There are two sets of capacity numbers, within existing facility and with buildout/trailers. City is looking at both.

Yes, and CHEC and Roosevelt don't have trailers. Their actual capacity is 111/137. JR without trailers will be well under 100% this year. Deal is 101% without trailers and in the 80% with trailers Z no matter how you slice it CHEC and Roosevelt are MORE crowded than Deal or JR.

This isn’t true. Why do people just make things up and post them? JR does have trailers and will definitely not be under 100% this year. So assume the other numbers are also wrong.

Curious what your source is? Do you work for DCPS CO?

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Anonymous wrote:Push Shepherd to Coolidge and the south part of the Coolidge catchment further south to the underenrolled schools, just like Hardy is being pushed south to MacA. There are plenty of open seats at existing schools.

Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

I know plenty of W7 and W8 kids commuting to attend Shepherd, Deal, JR, and DCI. Why would they not also commute to Lafayette or Janney given the opportunity. There is a way to have equitable access for these schools. Yes, they should not be enrolling over capacity but 100% of the lottery spots should be at risk. Not even 10-15% but 100% of them.

And if you are going to shut out MC kids in Wards 7,8,4, etc. from the lottery, you need to make MC students in some of the wealthier schools (Lafayette, Shepherd, Murch, and now Bancroft, etc.) share the resources that flow with them by integrating schools EOTP. You can draw lines dictated by property values and say the kids on military road a certain section of 16th Street get the golden ticket, and the other section of 16th street or the kids on Piney Branch can never get access to "Wilson for All" because their houses are not worth as much.

Has nothing to do with property values. All schools should have a set aside for at risk student. The ones that are closer to 100% capacity AND have a very low threshold of At-risk should be 100% at risk for any OOB spots until they reach X threshold. It's not that hard.

Lafayette is 2% at risk. They should not be able to accept a student from the lottery that is not designated at-risk until they are 10% or 15% at-risk. This should be for every DCPS neighborhood school at all levels.

Other than that, go to your IB school or one of the many city wide charters if you want school choice. Nobody says there is access to Lafayette for all.

Has everything to do with property values - some of the kids zoned for Lafayette (and Shepherd) could very easily commute to Brightwood or Whittier or Takoma - but because they are wealthy, entitled, and mostly white, they won't commute. Witness the stink about ECE for Lafayette parents. Mayor could have given Military Road school to Brightwood to relieve overcrowding - nope - she offered it to Chevy Chase and they said we would rather die than cross the park. #Facts.

What are you talking about? You are suggesting elementary kids commute 2-4 miles a day one-way for an new in-boundary school? What other DCPS school has the majority of in-boundary families commuting 2-4 miles a day. That is not an "easy" commute.

Well, I live IB for Takoma, and I was assigned a DPR camp in Chevy Chase - it took me 10 minutes in the morning to get there. It was an extremely easy commute. Shepherd to Takoma is about 8 minutes. Easy-peasy.

Summertime traffic is not the same as school year traffic. Also, you didn’t answer the question of where else in DCPS families commute 2-4 miles for an inbound school. Finally, your privilege is showing.

Your numbers do sound pretty wacky. But to answer your question (even with your bad numbers), Bancroft is 3.0 miles from Jackson-Reed. Shepherd is 4.2 miles from Jackson-Reed. Lafayette is 2.0 miles from Jackson-Reed. Shepherd is 1.2 miles from Ida B. Wells. Lafayette is 3 miles from Ida B. Wells.

I commute to an afterschool program twice a week during rush hour to Chevy Chase - it's 15 minutes from Takoma.

Bancroft is 0.5 miles from CHEC (boundary is across the street), 1.2 miles to MacFarland, and 1.4 to Cardozo. All less than half the distance of J-R.

CHEC is 111% capacity, Roosevelt (MacFarland's HS) is 137% capacity. Both higher than Deal or JR. What are you trying to solve?

There are two sets of capacity numbers, within existing facility and with buildout/trailers. City is looking at both.

Yes, and CHEC and Roosevelt don't have trailers. Their actual capacity is 111/137. JR without trailers will be well under 100% this year. Deal is 101% without trailers and in the 80% with trailers Z no matter how you slice it CHEC and Roosevelt are MORE crowded than Deal or JR.

This isn’t true. Why do people just make things up and post them? JR does have trailers and will definitely not be under 100% this year. So assume the other numbers are also wrong.

Curious what your source is? Do you work for DCPS CO?

DP...that JR has trailers or will be under 100%. I can positively confirm JR has trailers. Have taken up the entire outdoor parking lot along Chesapeake St NW.

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Anonymous wrote:Push Shepherd to Coolidge and the south part of the Coolidge catchment further south to the underenrolled schools, just like Hardy is being pushed south to MacA. There are plenty of open seats at existing schools.

Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

I know plenty of W7 and W8 kids commuting to attend Shepherd, Deal, JR, and DCI. Why would they not also commute to Lafayette or Janney given the opportunity. There is a way to have equitable access for these schools. Yes, they should not be enrolling over capacity but 100% of the lottery spots should be at risk. Not even 10-15% but 100% of them.

And if you are going to shut out MC kids in Wards 7,8,4, etc. from the lottery, you need to make MC students in some of the wealthier schools (Lafayette, Shepherd, Murch, and now Bancroft, etc.) share the resources that flow with them by integrating schools EOTP. You can draw lines dictated by property values and say the kids on military road a certain section of 16th Street get the golden ticket, and the other section of 16th street or the kids on Piney Branch can never get access to "Wilson for All" because their houses are not worth as much.

Has nothing to do with property values. All schools should have a set aside for at risk student. The ones that are closer to 100% capacity AND have a very low threshold of At-risk should be 100% at risk for any OOB spots until they reach X threshold. It's not that hard.

Lafayette is 2% at risk. They should not be able to accept a student from the lottery that is not designated at-risk until they are 10% or 15% at-risk. This should be for every DCPS neighborhood school at all levels.

Other than that, go to your IB school or one of the many city wide charters if you want school choice. Nobody says there is access to Lafayette for all.

Has everything to do with property values - some of the kids zoned for Lafayette (and Shepherd) could very easily commute to Brightwood or Whittier or Takoma - but because they are wealthy, entitled, and mostly white, they won't commute. Witness the stink about ECE for Lafayette parents. Mayor could have given Military Road school to Brightwood to relieve overcrowding - nope - she offered it to Chevy Chase and they said we would rather die than cross the park. #Facts.

What are you talking about? You are suggesting elementary kids commute 2-4 miles a day one-way for an new in-boundary school? What other DCPS school has the majority of in-boundary families commuting 2-4 miles a day. That is not an "easy" commute.

Well, I live IB for Takoma, and I was assigned a DPR camp in Chevy Chase - it took me 10 minutes in the morning to get there. It was an extremely easy commute. Shepherd to Takoma is about 8 minutes. Easy-peasy.

Summertime traffic is not the same as school year traffic. Also, you didn’t answer the question of where else in DCPS families commute 2-4 miles for an inbound school. Finally, your privilege is showing.

Your numbers do sound pretty wacky. But to answer your question (even with your bad numbers), Bancroft is 3.0 miles from Jackson-Reed. Shepherd is 4.2 miles from Jackson-Reed. Lafayette is 2.0 miles from Jackson-Reed. Shepherd is 1.2 miles from Ida B. Wells. Lafayette is 3 miles from Ida B. Wells.

I commute to an afterschool program twice a week during rush hour to Chevy Chase - it's 15 minutes from Takoma.

Bancroft is 0.5 miles from CHEC (boundary is across the street), 1.2 miles to MacFarland, and 1.4 to Cardozo. All less than half the distance of J-R.

CHEC is 111% capacity, Roosevelt (MacFarland's HS) is 137% capacity. Both higher than Deal or JR. What are you trying to solve?

There are two sets of capacity numbers, within existing facility and with buildout/trailers. City is looking at both.

Yes, and CHEC and Roosevelt don't have trailers. Their actual capacity is 111/137. JR without trailers will be well under 100% this year. Deal is 101% without trailers and in the 80% with trailers Z no matter how you slice it CHEC and Roosevelt are MORE crowded than Deal or JR.

This isn’t true. Why do people just make things up and post them? JR does have trailers and will definitely not be under 100% this year. So assume the other numbers are also wrong.

Curious what your source is? Do you work for DCPS CO?

DP...that JR has trailers or will be under 100%. I can positively confirm JR has trailers. Have taken up the entire outdoor parking lot along Chesapeake St NW.

The claim that JR will definitely not be under 100%. But the question is probably irrelevant as I'm sure DCPS is using data based on projections that have students moving to MacArthur. Disregard.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for the Whittier poster - were you not aware of the crappy building and rats before you enrolled your child? Another question- once you became aware, did you choose to keep your child there, with no assurances from anyone that the situation was going to change? If the answer to either one of these questions is yes, then sit down somewhere and focus on making some choices that will actually help your child rather than complaining into the void of DCUM. Move or play the lottery. It gets so tiring when people refuse to play the cards they’ve been dealt. Assume nothing will change in DCPS and be surprised when it does. Make your choices accordingly (and if you are posting here, you probably do have choices)

I am a Whittier parent and we didn’t get in to any other school in the lottery. You know that happens right? This is why people complain about upper NW parents not actually giving a crap about anyone else. But when their Petunia doesn’t get into a higher level math class then burn the whole system down.

Y’all are missing the point. The very thing you hate about the NW parents is that they are not afraid to go crazy over anything they think is not in line with an ideal education. So the thing that you hate about them is what makes them so successful. And they don’t really spend their time unleashing their crazy to this forum (even if it seems like it…I know a few like to argue here). They mostly unleash their crazy on school admin, city council, DCPS, the Mayor’s office, the Washington Post, etc.

So here is my advice. And I am being serious not snarky. Instead of analyzing on here your various levels of hate of this kind of parent behavior and then wishing their kids would go to your school so they can do the “crazy” work for your school…spend your time adopting a little “crazy” and going after the people who can do something. Maybe email the PTA’s of these places and ask for advice on how to be as crazy as they are. Do you really think they would embarrass themselves in this way if it didn’t work to go ape s**t if they don’t get nice buildings, AP course offerings and the like?

It’s not the zero sum game you think it is. There is room for every school to succeed. DCPS/government is lazy with your school because they can be. You are model parents to them. Gold star. And what do you get for it?

New to this convo, but if anyone asked me to explain the DCUM population, I'd just show them the screenshot I took. 10/10 crazy

Sure. There are crazies here. My point is that being crazy here gets you very little. Being crazy with public officials gets you a lot.

So much ignorance to unpack. Whittier is in NW. NW does not begin and end with Chevy Chase and Glover Park. MC kids not IB for Deal/J-R/ the new “Palisades Prep,” are spending hours in the car every day commuting to Hyde-Addison and Hearst just for a chance to attend Hardy or Deal. We are doing are part - and we are making noise - but we are also going to call out the hypocrisy of out of ward feeders, double optional feeders, entitled behavior from Chevy Chase, Bancroft, Shepherd, JkLM, etc. etc.

What are these?

Expensive neighborhoods and schools in expensive neighborhoods.

(JKLM = Janney, Key, Lafayette, Mann)

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I am a Whittier parent and we didn’t get in to any other school in the lottery. You know that happens right? This is why people complain about upper NW parents not actually giving a crap about anyone else. But when their Petunia doesn’t get into a higher level math class then burn the whole system down.

Y’all are missing the point. The very thing you hate about the NW parents is that they are not afraid to go crazy over anything they think is not in line with an ideal education. So the thing that you hate about them is what makes them so successful. And they don’t really spend their time unleashing their crazy to this forum (even if it seems like it…I know a few like to argue here). They mostly unleash their crazy on school admin, city council, DCPS, the Mayor’s office, the Washington Post, etc.

So here is my advice. And I am being serious not snarky. Instead of analyzing on here your various levels of hate of this kind of parent behavior and then wishing their kids would go to your school so they can do the “crazy” work for your school…spend your time adopting a little “crazy” and going after the people who can do something. Maybe email the PTA’s of these places and ask for advice on how to be as crazy as they are. Do you really think they would embarrass themselves in this way if it didn’t work to go ape s**t if they don’t get nice buildings, AP course offerings and the like?

It’s not the zero sum game you think it is. There is room for every school to succeed. DCPS/government is lazy with your school because they can be. You are model parents to them. Gold star. And what do you get for it?

New to this convo, but if anyone asked me to explain the DCUM population, I'd just show them the screenshot I took. 10/10 crazy

Sure. There are crazies here. My point is that being crazy here gets you very little. Being crazy with public officials gets you a lot.

So much ignorance to unpack. Whittier is in NW. NW does not begin and end with Chevy Chase and Glover Park. MC kids not IB for Deal/J-R/ the new “Palisades Prep,” are spending hours in the car every day commuting to Hyde-Addison and Hearst just for a chance to attend Hardy or Deal. We are doing are part - and we are making noise - but we are also going to call out the hypocrisy of out of ward feeders, double optional feeders, entitled behavior from Chevy Chase, Bancroft, Shepherd, JkLM, etc. etc.

What are these?

Expensive neighborhoods and schools in expensive neighborhoods.

(JKLM = Janney, Key, Lafayette, Mann)

No, the bolded: out of ward feeders, double optional feeders

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I am a Whittier parent and we didn’t get in to any other school in the lottery. You know that happens right? This is why people complain about upper NW parents not actually giving a crap about anyone else. But when their Petunia doesn’t get into a higher level math class then burn the whole system down.

Y’all are missing the point. The very thing you hate about the NW parents is that they are not afraid to go crazy over anything they think is not in line with an ideal education. So the thing that you hate about them is what makes them so successful. And they don’t really spend their time unleashing their crazy to this forum (even if it seems like it…I know a few like to argue here). They mostly unleash their crazy on school admin, city council, DCPS, the Mayor’s office, the Washington Post, etc.

So here is my advice. And I am being serious not snarky. Instead of analyzing on here your various levels of hate of this kind of parent behavior and then wishing their kids would go to your school so they can do the “crazy” work for your school…spend your time adopting a little “crazy” and going after the people who can do something. Maybe email the PTA’s of these places and ask for advice on how to be as crazy as they are. Do you really think they would embarrass themselves in this way if it didn’t work to go ape s**t if they don’t get nice buildings, AP course offerings and the like?

It’s not the zero sum game you think it is. There is room for every school to succeed. DCPS/government is lazy with your school because they can be. You are model parents to them. Gold star. And what do you get for it?

New to this convo, but if anyone asked me to explain the DCUM population, I'd just show them the screenshot I took. 10/10 crazy

Sure. There are crazies here. My point is that being crazy here gets you very little. Being crazy with public officials gets you a lot.

So much ignorance to unpack. Whittier is in NW. NW does not begin and end with Chevy Chase and Glover Park. MC kids not IB for Deal/J-R/ the new “Palisades Prep,” are spending hours in the car every day commuting to Hyde-Addison and Hearst just for a chance to attend Hardy or Deal. We are doing are part - and we are making noise - but we are also going to call out the hypocrisy of out of ward feeders, double optional feeders, entitled behavior from Chevy Chase, Bancroft, Shepherd, JkLM, etc. etc.

What are these?

Expensive neighborhoods and schools in expensive neighborhoods.

(JKLM = Janney, Key, Lafayette, Mann)

No, the bolded: out of ward feeders, double optional feeders

Shepherd (out of ward), Bancroft (out of ward/dual feeder), a good chunk of Lafayette is out of ward, Oyster-Adams (double feeder), Murch has a chunk out of ward. Ross, I think. There a few others.

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Yeah, that's a really dumb thing to get upset about. Hardy is in Ward 2 but most of its catchment is in Ward 3. Lafayette is in Ward 4 and also draws mostly from Ward 3.

And ward boundaries change every ten years, do you expect school boundaries to change when they do?

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You are incorrect. Unless there is a programmatic reason (e.g., foreign language), feeder paths have been and are generally supposed to be within one's ward. In part, because council members are divided by wards and routinely advocate for the schools within their wards. As do ANCs -divided by wards, as well as stakeholder organizations (educational advocacy groups, etc), which are divided by ward. This was, in fact, one of the explanations given to Crestwood when it was zoned out of Deal/Wilson (now J-R).

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You are incorrect. Unless there is a programmatic reason (e.g., foreign language), feeder paths have been and are generally supposed to be within one's ward. In part, because council members are divided by wards and routinely advocate for the schools within their wards. As do ANCs -divided by wards, as well as stakeholder organizations (educational advocacy groups, etc), which are divided by ward. This was, in fact, one of the explanations given to Crestwood when it was zoned out of Deal/Wilson (now J-R).

You really are entirely mistaken.

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Anonymous wrote:Ward is irrelevant to DCPS catchments.

You are incorrect. Unless there is a programmatic reason (e.g., foreign language), feeder paths have been and are generally supposed to be within one's ward. In part, because council members are divided by wards and routinely advocate for the schools within their wards. As do ANCs -divided by wards, as well as stakeholder organizations (educational advocacy groups, etc), which are divided by ward. This was, in fact, one of the explanations given to Crestwood when it was zoned out of Deal/Wilson (now J-R).

You really are entirely mistaken.

Nope. Just have lived in DC for 25+ years before and have been through this before. And actually, the current plan is to reassess schoolboundaries every 10 years or so on a fixed schedule to take some of the politics out of it.

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You are incorrect. Unless there is a programmatic reason (e.g., foreign language), feeder paths have been and are generally supposed to be within one's ward. In part, because council members are divided by wards and routinely advocate for the schools within their wards. As do ANCs -divided by wards, as well as stakeholder organizations (educational advocacy groups, etc), which are divided by ward. This was, in fact, one of the explanations given to Crestwood when it was zoned out of Deal/Wilson (now J-R).

You really are entirely mistaken.

Nope. Just have lived in DC for 25+ years before and have been through this before. And actually, the current plan is to reassess schoolboundaries every 10 years or so on a fixed schedule to take some of the politics out of it.

Doesn’t the JR catchment include parts of W4 and W1?

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Anonymous wrote:Push Shepherd to Coolidge and the south part of the Coolidge catchment further south to the underenrolled schools, just like Hardy is being pushed south to MacA. There are plenty of open seats at existing schools.

Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

I know plenty of W7 and W8 kids commuting to attend Shepherd, Deal, JR, and DCI. Why would they not also commute to Lafayette or Janney given the opportunity. There is a way to have equitable access for these schools. Yes, they should not be enrolling over capacity but 100% of the lottery spots should be at risk. Not even 10-15% but 100% of them.

And if you are going to shut out MC kids in Wards 7,8,4, etc. from the lottery, you need to make MC students in some of the wealthier schools (Lafayette, Shepherd, Murch, and now Bancroft, etc.) share the resources that flow with them by integrating schools EOTP. You can draw lines dictated by property values and say the kids on military road a certain section of 16th Street get the golden ticket, and the other section of 16th street or the kids on Piney Branch can never get access to "Wilson for All" because their houses are not worth as much.

Has nothing to do with property values. All schools should have a set aside for at risk student. The ones that are closer to 100% capacity AND have a very low threshold of At-risk should be 100% at risk for any OOB spots until they reach X threshold. It's not that hard.

Lafayette is 2% at risk. They should not be able to accept a student from the lottery that is not designated at-risk until they are 10% or 15% at-risk. This should be for every DCPS neighborhood school at all levels.

Other than that, go to your IB school or one of the many city wide charters if you want school choice. Nobody says there is access to Lafayette for all.

Has everything to do with property values - some of the kids zoned for Lafayette (and Shepherd) could very easily commute to Brightwood or Whittier or Takoma - but because they are wealthy, entitled, and mostly white, they won't commute. Witness the stink about ECE for Lafayette parents. Mayor could have given Military Road school to Brightwood to relieve overcrowding - nope - she offered it to Chevy Chase and they said we would rather die than cross the park. #Facts.

What are you talking about? You are suggesting elementary kids commute 2-4 miles a day one-way for an new in-boundary school? What other DCPS school has the majority of in-boundary families commuting 2-4 miles a day. That is not an "easy" commute.

Well, I live IB for Takoma, and I was assigned a DPR camp in Chevy Chase - it took me 10 minutes in the morning to get there. It was an extremely easy commute. Shepherd to Takoma is about 8 minutes. Easy-peasy.

Summertime traffic is not the same as school year traffic. Also, you didn’t answer the question of where else in DCPS families commute 2-4 miles for an inbound school. Finally, your privilege is showing.

Your numbers do sound pretty wacky. But to answer your question (even with your bad numbers), Bancroft is 3.0 miles from Jackson-Reed. Shepherd is 4.2 miles from Jackson-Reed. Lafayette is 2.0 miles from Jackson-Reed. Shepherd is 1.2 miles from Ida B. Wells. Lafayette is 3 miles from Ida B. Wells.

I commute to an afterschool program twice a week during rush hour to Chevy Chase - it's 15 minutes from Takoma.

Bancroft is 0.5 miles from CHEC (boundary is across the street), 1.2 miles to MacFarland, and 1.4 to Cardozo. All less than half the distance of J-R.

CHEC is 111% capacity, Roosevelt (MacFarland's HS) is 137% capacity. Both higher than Deal or JR. What are you trying to solve?

There are two sets of capacity numbers, within existing facility and with buildout/trailers. City is looking at both.

Yes, and CHEC and Roosevelt don't have trailers. Their actual capacity is 111/137. JR without trailers will be well under 100% this year. Deal is 101% without trailers and in the 80% with trailers Z no matter how you slice it CHEC and Roosevelt are MORE crowded than Deal or JR.

This isn’t true. Why do people just make things up and post them? JR does have trailers and will definitely not be under 100% this year. So assume the other numbers are also wrong.

Read the post. Nobody said JR didn't have trailers