Bottom line who do you see being sworn in as president in 2024?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m going with Kamala. Joe gets elected but steps down for health reasons.

that would be outstanding. She'd be great.

Sarcasm?

Tell me when a male VP was scrutinized as much as Harris? It’s all they’ve got. That and Hunter. Crickets about the rapist and his ilk, many of which abandoned the ship to protect their own a$$es. Biden is committed. He knows how powerful the first woman VP is. She just happens to be black, and it’s a grand historical moment. Black women have consistently voted Dem. Harris’s win is their win, and a win for all women. She remains.

If she was faced with certifying an election during an insurrection, she’d have done the same thing Pence did. He doesn’t get to wear a halo for doing his job and saving his very own a$$. Harris has been instrumental in breaking a record number of tie votes in the senate.

Not one single person/party can reconcile immigration. It must be a nonpartisan meeting of SANE minds. Of which, are few. You think the white governors wheeling in bus loads of migrants are solving the problem? No, they’re not. It’s petty and pathetic and unintelligent and low EQ. Playing an inhumane game to connect with their like minded constituents.

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Anonymous wrote:Joe Manchin with Tulsi Gabbard as VP

Manchin has no shot. He can't even get reelected to his Senate seat.

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Anonymous wrote:I, too wish Trump would just fade away. Many people I know (including my spouse) hate Trump beyond belief. But it literally is BEYOND BELIEF, because when I ask them why they hate him, it’s always “He’s a vile narcissistic misogynist racist who disrespects our laws and is ruining the country.” When I ask for specifics they sputter something about Jan 6, froth at the mouth, and change the subject.

The Jan 6 thing is indeed problematic, but the fact that he recommended increased Capitol security on that day seems to shed a little doubt. But, ok, I agree he could have been more precise about how he wanted his supporters to express their displeasure on Jan 6. Fine.

But I’m not kidding here, what EXACTLY beyond Jan 6 has he done that causes you so much pain? Name the top 5 things. This should be easy, because most of you seem to have a list of hundreds of things.

But don’t say Charlottesville because we all know CNN conveniently stops the “good people on both sides” clip right before he says he’s he’s NOT referring to the Nazis (but rather those for and against taking down the statues). And don’t play the classified documents card unless you include Hillary & Joe in your condemnation. And don’t claim he hates migrants because everybody knows Obama separated kids from parents & had cages & those guys on horseback weren’t whipping anybody.

I don't think this would be a useful argument. There's no policy argument that's going to change your mind. And after all the years and all the issues, you remain comfortable with Trump's character.

You are into charismatic authoritarians. You have a repubulican personality type. It's pointless to argue about policy.

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Anonymous wrote:I, too wish Trump would just fade away. Many people I know (including my spouse) hate Trump beyond belief. But it literally is BEYOND BELIEF, because when I ask them why they hate him, it’s always “He’s a vile narcissistic misogynist racist who disrespects our laws and is ruining the country.” When I ask for specifics they sputter something about Jan 6, froth at the mouth, and change the subject.

The Jan 6 thing is indeed problematic, but the fact that he recommended increased Capitol security on that day seems to shed a little doubt. But, ok, I agree he could have been more precise about how he wanted his supporters to express their displeasure on Jan 6. Fine.

But I’m not kidding here, what EXACTLY beyond Jan 6 has he done that causes you so much pain? Name the top 5 things. This should be easy, because most of you seem to have a list of hundreds of things.

But don’t say Charlottesville because we all know CNN conveniently stops the “good people on both sides” clip right before he says he’s he’s NOT referring to the Nazis (but rather those for and against taking down the statues). And don’t play the classified documents card unless you include Hillary & Joe in your condemnation. And don’t claim he hates migrants because everybody knows Obama separated kids from parents & had cages & those guys on horseback weren’t whipping anybody.

I don't think this would be a useful argument. There's no policy argument that's going to change your mind. And after all the years and all the issues, you remain comfortable with Trump's character.

You are into charismatic authoritarians. You have a repubulican personality type. It's pointless to argue about policy.

Authoritarians?

I believe SCOTUS stated NO to Biden paying off student loans. The debt is not forgiven. It is transferred to the tax payers. All spending bills originate in the House. That is by design under separation of powers. The legislative branch is NOT the executive branch. Is this too difficult to comprehend?

And yet even after the Judicial branch said no, we have Biden in the Executive branch AGAIN trying to put tbe tax payer on the hook for what they did not sign up for. It's clear - he is trying to buy votes. Do you have ANY self-awareness?

Now, you were lecturing everyone on "authoritarians"....? Please continue.

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Anonymous wrote:Joe Manchin with Tulsi Gabbard as VP

That is a centrist, common-sense ticket that I would gladly support!

Dream on. Trump is the gop candidate and Biden is the Dem. Is what it is as was 2020.

The name of the 2024 game is to keep trump away from ever having the presidency again. Literally anyone would be better but the only actual person that can prevent it is the Dem nominee.

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Anonymous wrote:Joe Manchin with Tulsi Gabbard as VP

That is a centrist, common-sense ticket that I would gladly support!

Dream on. Trump is the gop candidate and Biden is the Dem. Is what it is as was 2020.

The name of the 2024 game is to keep trump away from ever having the presidency again. Literally anyone would be better but the only actual person that can prevent it is the Dem nominee.

And Manchin/Gabbard will be the third party ticket. Easy peasy!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Joe Manchin with Tulsi Gabbard as VP

That is a centrist, common-sense ticket that I would gladly support!

Dream on. Trump is the gop candidate and Biden is the Dem. Is what it is as was 2020.

The name of the 2024 game is to keep trump away from ever having the presidency again. Literally anyone would be better but the only actual person that can prevent it is the Dem nominee.

And Manchin/Gabbard will be the third party ticket. Easy peasy!

Third parties just serve to get one of the other 2 choices elected. Choose one if you want but understand which candidate it actually serves when you choose.

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“I don't think this would be a useful argument. There's no policy argument that's going to change your mind. And after all the years and all the issues, you remain comfortable with Trump's character.

You are into charismatic authoritarians. You have a repubulican personality type. It's pointless to argue about policy.”

This is what I’ve been getting for years. Even from Republicans who hate Trump. They claim they have many good reasons to believe Trump is the AntiChrist, but when I ask for specifics, they got nothin’.

You don’t know me, yet your default position is to project all sorts of stereotypes on me. I was actually a Ted Cuz guy in 2016 (so much for being s pushover for charisma!). What I liked best about Cruz was his excellent education & his success in formal debating competitions. I wanted a guy who could articulate subtle ideas and back them up with logic, not emotion.

But Trump got the nod and between him and the Queen of the Deplorables it was no contest. What shocked me though, was the immediate panic about Trump. Like he had been famous for decades & I never heard a word about him being racist. But he gets nominated & all of a sudden he’s George Wallace 2.0.

So that tipped me off that something was fishy. I watched more carefully, & one thing after another kept being dumped on him. The Russian collusion thing was a joke from the start, yet everyone was falling for it. Why? A guy dies at the hands of the police in Democrat-run Minneapolis in blue Minnesota & the next thing you know there is a mob outside the White House throwing bricks. Why?

I’m a painfully logical guy. I’ve TAUGHT logic for decades. I kept looking for logical reasons to back up the hatred for Trump. I thought surely, today, I would get solid reasons why Trump sucks from the legions of haters here. But so far all I see is he supposedly raped someone. If he did, then arrest him & put him on trial. But after watching him be accused of being a Russian Collusion traitor every day for 3 years, forgive me for asking for a guilty verdict before I want him drawn & quartered.

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“I don't think this would be a useful argument. There's no policy argument that's going to change your mind. And after all the years and all the issues, you remain comfortable with Trump's character.

You are into charismatic authoritarians. You have a repubulican personality type. It's pointless to argue about policy.”

This is what I’ve been getting for years. Even from Republicans who hate Trump. They claim they have many good reasons to believe Trump is the AntiChrist, but when I ask for specifics, they got nothin’.

You don’t know me, yet your default position is to project all sorts of stereotypes on me. I was actually a Ted Cuz guy in 2016 (so much for being s pushover for charisma!). What I liked best about Cruz was his excellent education & his success in formal debating competitions. I wanted a guy who could articulate subtle ideas and back them up with logic, not emotion.

But Trump got the nod and between him and the Queen of the Deplorables it was no contest. What shocked me though, was the immediate panic about Trump. Like he had been famous for decades & I never heard a word about him being racist. But he gets nominated & all of a sudden he’s George Wallace 2.0.

So that tipped me off that something was fishy. I watched more carefully, & one thing after another kept being dumped on him. The Russian collusion thing was a joke from the start, yet everyone was falling for it. Why? A guy dies at the hands of the police in Democrat-run Minneapolis in blue Minnesota & the next thing you know there is a mob outside the White House throwing bricks. Why?

I’m a painfully logical guy. I’ve TAUGHT logic for decades. I kept looking for logical reasons to back up the hatred for Trump. I thought surely, today, I would get solid reasons why Trump sucks from the legions of haters here. But so far all I see is he supposedly raped someone. If he did, then arrest him & put him on trial. But after watching him be accused of being a Russian Collusion traitor every day for 3 years, forgive me for asking for a guilty verdict before I want him drawn & quartered.

As much as you may be a fan, for a super logical person you and the rest of the trumpers can seem to understand that he LOST to Biden already. And according to you, Biden is a horrible candidate so trump really stinks. He is a loser. Logically...find a better candidate that could actually win.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for yet even more proof that the anti Trumpets have nothing to back up their hatred.

I wanted Cruz in 2016 & I like Desantis in 2024. But I can’t help being fascinated by apparently grown adults who say things like the country will be burned down if Trump gets elected, yet are unable to articulate specific reasons for such an extreme response. Aren’t you even a little surprised by your inability to say “Trump’s policy on x was bad” or “He really screwed up y”? I expected dozens of reasons, & so far I see ONE. And as horrible as that one thing is, if it’s true it should result in a long prison sentence, not a burned-down country.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for yet even more proof that the anti Trumpets have nothing to back up their hatred.

I wanted Cruz in 2016 & I like Desantis in 2024. But I can’t help being fascinated by apparently grown adults who say things like the country will be burned down if Trump gets elected, yet are unable to articulate specific reasons for such an extreme response. Aren’t you even a little surprised by your inability to say “Trump’s policy on x was bad” or “He really screwed up y”? I expected dozens of reasons, & so far I see ONE. And as horrible as that one thing is, if it’s true it should result in a long prison sentence, not a burned-down country.

You know the list love. It is the same list over and over. Overturning roe is enough in and of itself and there is plenty more where that came from. You may want to set our kids back 50 years but most of the electorate is a firm no thanks on that one. He would lose on that alone and rightly so.

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No love, I don’t know the list. And apparently neither do you. The Roe decision was actually a non-decision…an acknowledgement that the Supreme Court had no business deciding what was appropriate on such a topic. And you know that every bit as well as I do. I hope you’re not one of those people running around claiming the Supreme Court has made abortion illegal.

[Anonymous]

No love, I don’t know the list. And apparently neither do you. The Roe decision was actually a non-decision…an acknowledgement that the Supreme Court had no business deciding what was appropriate on such a topic. And you know that every bit as well as I do. I hope you’re not one of those people running around claiming the Supreme Court has made abortion illegal.

Not making a decision is a decision.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Joe Manchin with Tulsi Gabbard as VP

That is a centrist, common-sense ticket that I would gladly support!

Dream on. Trump is the gop candidate and Biden is the Dem. Is what it is as was 2020.

The name of the 2024 game is to keep trump away from ever having the presidency again. Literally anyone would be better but the only actual person that can prevent it is the Dem nominee.

And Manchin/Gabbard will be the third party ticket. Easy peasy!

Third parties just serve to get one of the other 2 choices elected. Choose one if you want but understand which candidate it actually serves when you choose.

A vote for Manchin/Gabbard supports their ticket. Most of us want another option to vote for besides the two poor choices we will likely end up with in 2024.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No love, I don’t know the list. And apparently neither do you. The Roe decision was actually a non-decision…an acknowledgement that the Supreme Court had no business deciding what was appropriate on such a topic. And you know that every bit as well as I do. I hope you’re not one of those people running around claiming the Supreme Court has made abortion illegal.

I am one of the millions that knows exactly what the supreme court ruled and exactly which justices were on what side and exactly who appointed the various justices to the court. And we know exactly what we intend to do with our votes come election day 2024.