Where did we come from?

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Anonymous wrote:If we evolved from monkeys, why are they still around?

We evolved from apes that no longer exist today.

If this was the case then we should be able to find skeletons with ever slightly changing attributes until the human one. This is one of the biggest flaws in evolution. So many skeletons are missing in between all the species. We should have incremental skeletons all over the millions of years for each animal and we just don’t.

Of course skeletons are missing. You think there's a permanent record of every skeletal creature over the course of billions of years? You wouldn't be able to dig a hole without hitting fossils if that were the case.

We have boatloads of dinosaur fossils. Where are all the half-monkey half-human fossils? (Or common ancestor fossils or whatever the latest claim is?)

Oldest humanoid skeleton is 7 millions years old. How long did dinosaurs roamed the earth? I am not going to tell you, look it up. Maybe read some more. Be curious.

Look in the mirror. You are the “half-monkey half-human”. What will your descendants will look like, say in 100 million years, if you look like that only after 7 million years.

So we have boatloads of dinosaur fossils from 65 million years ago but no monkey/human hybrid fossils from a species that should have existed much more recently? That doesn’t make sense to me.

Really? Seems pretty obvious to me.

1. Billions of dinosaurs & early reptiles lived on Earth over the course of 200+ million years.
2. The first hominids lived ~6 million years ago and the first homo sapiens lived only ~300k years ago.
3. The number of the common ancestors who lived would have been a fraction of the number of dinosaurs.
4. The bones were much smaller and more delicate than many of the dinosaurs.
5. Humans have continuously occupied many of the same habitats and likely disturbed remains.

If you think about the scale, you're looking for a very small sliver of time and probably very few remaining specimens to be discovered. It's not surprising at all.

Just think about how much we've discovered in the last few decades. It'll be exciting to see what we discover in the future.

Scale of timeline:

That seems like one plausible explanation for the lack of fossils. It also seems plausible that the lack of fossils could be because evolution of this scale never occurred. I’m open minded. I don’t see a basis for treating evolution as settled science like the earth being round and revolving around the sun, etc.

What is the alternative? What do you think is most likely?

You believe that evolution exists on a smaller scale?

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in every word of the Bible but I also believe it’s not the whole story. I also believe in science which too doesn’t answer everything. I don’t think we are meant to know everything in this life. The “days” in the first chapter of Genesis could have been hundreds of millions billions of years long because ultimately time is relative. The part when satan fell was left out.
Look up the gap theory.

We know it's not the "whole story" because it's a book written by men. And rewritten. And translated. And translated again. And again.

It's a centuries-old game of telephone.

Remember Luke 18:25? "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Except the Aramaic words for "camel" and "rope" are the same. So the actual saying should be ""It is easier for a rope to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

But we like the camel visual, so we kept it. How many other mistakes were introduced in translation? And what about the books that never made it into the current bible? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Books_of_the_Bible_and_the_Forgotten_Books_of_Eden

You can embrace your bible and your faith, but you can't say it's the truth.

I will embrace my Bible and my faith, and I absolutely can say that I believe it’s the truth. And you can believe what you want too! Obviously you read at least some of it too (referencing a verse, or maybe it’s the only one you know to make your point?) and came to your own conclusion. Good for you and I will not judge you or look for holes in what you choose to believe. We have free will. We are able to review all the information available to us today and make our own conclusions!
God bless America!!

Hi! Scientists want you to think critically and look for holes in evolution. That’s what allows us as a civilization to learn and improve our understanding. The theory of creation is so much more robust now than it was when originally formulated. So please, go ahead and look for holes and judge. It’s good for us. But please don’t take it as an insult when we do the same for biblical creationism. It attempts to explain things and our natural inclination is to poke at it in order to understand it. That’s what we do. And if we conclude that biblical creationism is a fable, please don’t be offended. It’s what our way of thinking results in for any theory that doesn’t stand up to questioning. We can’t not do that since it goes against the ethical code scientists generally have.

Hi! You must have missed the part where I said I believe in science (evolution) AND the Bible. And that I believe God created science. And there are holes in every theory. The bible nor evolution has the entire picture, because we aren’t meant to know everything in this life. We are mere humans in the year 2023. We know more than humans in the past, and less than humans in the future as there is more to be discovered. But we will NEVER know everything about Earth or where we “we came from” in this lifetime.
Feel free to disagree, and I promise you I will not be offended by what you conclude. I believe what you quoted was me responding to someone else who was offended by what I concluded.

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Anonymous wrote:People in the South evolved differently

They are evolving backwards.

We're trying to let everyone else catch up!

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if we did evolve from monkeys then why are human organs only compatible to pigs ?

We are starseeds.

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I hope, for the sake of our country, OP and PPs are a troll/troll farm. Then I can laugh instead of crying.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope, for the sake of our country, OP and PPs are a troll/troll farm. Then I can laugh instead of crying.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in every word of the Bible but I also believe it’s not the whole story. I also believe in science which too doesn’t answer everything. I don’t think we are meant to know everything in this life. The “days” in the first chapter of Genesis could have been hundreds of millions billions of years long because ultimately time is relative. The part when satan fell was left out.
Look up the gap theory.

We know it's not the "whole story" because it's a book written by men. And rewritten. And translated. And translated again. And again.

It's a centuries-old game of telephone.

Remember Luke 18:25? "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Except the Aramaic words for "camel" and "rope" are the same. So the actual saying should be ""It is easier for a rope to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

But we like the camel visual, so we kept it. How many other mistakes were introduced in translation? And what about the books that never made it into the current bible? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Books_of_the_Bible_and_the_Forgotten_Books_of_Eden

You can embrace your bible and your faith, but you can't say it's the truth.

I will embrace my Bible and my faith, and I absolutely can say that I believe it’s the truth. And you can believe what you want too! Obviously you read at least some of it too (referencing a verse, or maybe it’s the only one you know to make your point?) and came to your own conclusion. Good for you and I will not judge you or look for holes in what you choose to believe. We have free will. We are able to review all the information available to us today and make our own conclusions!
God bless America!!

Hi! Scientists want you to think critically and look for holes in evolution. That’s what allows us as a civilization to learn and improve our understanding. The theory of creation is so much more robust now than it was when originally formulated. So please, go ahead and look for holes and judge. It’s good for us. But please don’t take it as an insult when we do the same for biblical creationism. It attempts to explain things and our natural inclination is to poke at it in order to understand it. That’s what we do. And if we conclude that biblical creationism is a fable, please don’t be offended. It’s what our way of thinking results in for any theory that doesn’t stand up to questioning. We can’t not do that since it goes against the ethical code scientists generally have.

Hi! You must have missed the part where I said I believe in science (evolution) AND the Bible. And that I believe God created science. And there are holes in every theory. The bible nor evolution has the entire picture, because we aren’t meant to know everything in this life. We are mere humans in the year 2023. We know more than humans in the past, and less than humans in the future as there is more to be discovered. But we will NEVER know everything about Earth or where we “we came from” in this lifetime.
Feel free to disagree, and I promise you I will not be offended by what you conclude. I believe what you quoted was me responding to someone else who was offended by what I concluded.

PP. I didn’t miss that, I caught that you had posted that you believe in both science and the Bible and you wouldn’t be judgmental or try to poke holes in science. I wanted to get across the idea that while I and other scientists appreciate that and hear you, we won’t reciprocate. Our worldview requires that we poke holes in things and that when we find enough holes, we get judgmental about them. So when we poke holes in any religion’s creation story we end up concluding that it’s disproven and therefore unworthy of belief. It’s fine to enjoy these stories as stories. But not fine to believe that they accurately describe nature. (I don’t consider indecipherable metaphors as being an accurate description. If you can’t figure it out until you reach the knowledge some other way - always true as far as I’m aware - then it’s not a useful tool. It’s like astrology. Vague enough to fit what we look for, but not real.)

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We all came from Africa. Get your DNA tested and read up on haplogroups.

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Anonymous wrote:We all came from Africa. Get your DNA tested and read up on haplogroups.

Some of us are part Neanderthal. Neanderthal never lived in Africa.

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Its always struck me as odd that out of the literally millions of species on earth we’re the only ones wearing clothes, building planes and making iphones. I mean, other species are not even close and we all evolved together. If pure evoltuion were the only process at play, wouldn’t there be multiple species that were similiarly advanced?

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Anonymous wrote:We all came from Africa. Get your DNA tested and read up on haplogroups.

I did get tested, and have nothing related to Africa.

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Anonymous wrote:Its always struck me as odd that out of the literally millions of species on earth we’re the only ones wearing clothes, building planes and making iphones. I mean, other species are not even close and we all evolved together. If pure evoltuion were the only process at play, wouldn’t there be multiple species that were similiarly advanced?

What do you mean we evolved together?

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Anonymous wrote:Its always struck me as odd that out of the literally millions of species on earth we’re the only ones wearing clothes, building planes and making iphones. I mean, other species are not even close and we all evolved together. If pure evoltuion were the only process at play, wouldn’t there be multiple species that were similiarly advanced?

What do you mean we evolved together?

We existed on the same planet during the same timeframes.

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Anonymous wrote:Its always struck me as odd that out of the literally millions of species on earth we’re the only ones wearing clothes, building planes and making iphones. I mean, other species are not even close and we all evolved together. If pure evoltuion were the only process at play, wouldn’t there be multiple species that were similiarly advanced?

What do you mean we evolved together?

We existed on the same planet during the same timeframes.

So? There is no 'together' in evolution. There is no plan or teamwork or goal.

Every organism is just trying to survive. Some traits are passed on.

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I have sometimes contemplated the thought of an afterlife reunion of all my ancestors, including these guys:
https://www.ucdavis.edu/curiosity/news/revealing-genome-common-ancestor-all-mammals
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2119741-ancestor-of-all-vertebrates-was-a-big-mouth-with-no-anus/
https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2020/researchers-discover-oldest-ancestor-almost-every-animal/

Imagine the potluck buffet!