Glad MCPS is getting sued

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Anonymous wrote:Parents should always have a say in what their kids are learning. Ideally, their day can be to leave this crazy system but not vv everyone can afford that. Parents should be able to opt out of having their two and three year olds use a word search to find words like drag in story books being read to them.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/3-montgomery-county-families-sue-mcps-over-lbtq-books.amp

No, they shouldn’t.

+1. It may sound good but I don't want some yahoo deciding what their kids can and can't read. That affects my kids too. If they don't like these books, they can always opt out.

They can’t. That’s why they are being sued.

They can. They can opt out of public school.

Cool so only rich people have rights.

Nope. Enjoy your Right Wing homeschooling.

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Guess what happens when you teach kids about kids whose families look different than theirs? You raise kind, inclusive, accepting kids. Every time I read a post from someone who has a problem with the books, I think they’re unkind and bigoted and deeply insecure and probably uneducated. You’re on the wrong side of history and you’re certainly not representing any religion I’d want to be part of. But go ahead and spend your money litigating.

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My problem with these books isn’t the subject matter but that they all appear to be well below grade level. We’re in private now but are these books representative of grade level reading in MCPS?

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of these books are problematic and I can understand why parents want to opt-out. I think MCPS has a good chance of losing based on freedom of religion grounds.

My daughter was forced to read a Boy Named Penelope and we don't agree with the viewpoints expressed in that book. I think it's dangerous for MCPS to take a stance on gender theory. None of this stuff is settled and we are very much in the throes of a societal debate about it, so people acting like people who disagree are neanderthals are wrong. There's lots of room for shades of gray here, but the activists won't allow it.

I think they are opting for the inclusivity of ALL of their students. The religious right doesn't get to decide for everyone any more and they are having a hissy fit about it.

Do you see the irony in your statement? Choosing books that are both highly controversial and offensive to many, many people (especially in elementary school) is not inclusive on its face. It is supporting a minority social agenda. Because the law requires children to attend school, and because it is administered by the government, there should be humility on the part of administrators and teachers about choosing curricula that everyone can get behind.

Could you please explain what is highly controversial and offensive about these books, which are about:

1. a child and a parent who go to a parade (a Pride parade)
2. a child who is upset that her uncle is getting married and will have less time for her (her uncle is marrying a man)
3. an autistic child who wants long hair now, so the mother makes a wig with long hair (the child is a transgender girl)
4. a prince who doesn't want to marry any of the people his parents have picked out for him but then finds his true love while killing a dragon (the true love is a knight in shining armor)
5. a child who has a crush on another child in class at school (both children are girls)
6. a child who expresses unhappiness through bad behavior until the mother makes things better (the unhappiness is due to the conflict between the child's assigned (girl) and felt (boy) gender identity)

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There are so many books out there that are not controversial. Pick those and move on. If the above are ok then why not the book about Sam who is upset he doesn’t get present at Christmas. Or the one about Gina who’s mom drinks too much. We’re talking elementary school. Keep controversial books out of schools.

You are literally begging the question right now: your argument assumes the truth of its conclusion. You say the books are controversial. What about those books is controversial?

They're not sexualized or violent -- it seems like the only possible element that you consider to be controversial is the fact that the relationships and people aren't cisgender and heteronormative. Obviously, you don't have a problem with books about kids seeing parades, or girls having crushes on boys, or a quest that ends in a prince finding his princess.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents should always have a say in what their kids are learning. Ideally, their day can be to leave this crazy system but not vv everyone can afford that. Parents should be able to opt out of having their two and three year olds use a word search to find words like drag in story books being read to them.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/3-montgomery-county-families-sue-mcps-over-lbtq-books.amp

As taxpayers parents should always have a say in what the kids are learning.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents should always have a say in what their kids are learning. Ideally, their day can be to leave this crazy system but not vv everyone can afford that. Parents should be able to opt out of having their two and three year olds use a word search to find words like drag in story books being read to them.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/3-montgomery-county-families-sue-mcps-over-lbtq-books.amp

Oh, grow up. Amy idiot can sue. They will lose and I hope it costs the person suing as much money as possible.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:My problem with these books isn’t the subject matter but that they all appear to be well below grade level. We’re in private now but are these books representative of grade level reading in MCPS?

The grade level of "Pride Puppy" is pre-K and Head Start. The grade level most of the other books is K-Grade 5. Then there are 2 books each approved for Grade 6, Grade 7, and Grade 8. What is your problem here?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J0TsuuWckSvLucXh_xxl28X7eD0EkHzZjR6eXLBqOR4/edit

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Anonymous wrote:Parents should always have a say in what their kids are learning. Ideally, their day can be to leave this crazy system but not vv everyone can afford that. Parents should be able to opt out of having their two and three year olds use a word search to find words like drag in story books being read to them.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/3-montgomery-county-families-sue-mcps-over-lbtq-books.amp

As taxpayers parents should always have a say in what the kids are learning.

No, public schools should NOT indulge in idiocy or bigotry. You are welcome to homeschool or find some fringe religious school.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents should always have a say in what their kids are learning. Ideally, their day can be to leave this crazy system but not vv everyone can afford that. Parents should be able to opt out of having their two and three year olds use a word search to find words like drag in story books being read to them.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/3-montgomery-county-families-sue-mcps-over-lbtq-books.amp

As taxpayers parents should always have a say in what the kids are learning.

And so you do - at the ballot box, just like every other voter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My problem with these books isn’t the subject matter but that they all appear to be well below grade level. We’re in private now but are these books representative of grade level reading in MCPS?

The grade level of "Pride Puppy" is pre-K and Head Start. The grade level most of the other books is K-Grade 5. Then there are 2 books each approved for Grade 6, Grade 7, and Grade 8. What is your problem here?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J0TsuuWckSvLucXh_xxl28X7eD0EkHzZjR6eXLBqOR4/edit

The answer to my question about the MCPS reading curriculum appears to be yes. Thanks for answering it.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents should always have a say in what their kids are learning. Ideally, their day can be to leave this crazy system but not vv everyone can afford that. Parents should be able to opt out of having their two and three year olds use a word search to find words like drag in story books being read to them.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/3-montgomery-county-families-sue-mcps-over-lbtq-books.amp

As taxpayers parents should always have a say in what the kids are learning.

It's never been easier to homeschool. There's great resources available and you can choose whatever you want your children to learn and they can learn at their own pace. You don't have a say in educational policy/procedures just like you don't have say what the police department, fire department, or park services do. Just because you pay taxes doesn't mean you run the show.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My problem with these books isn’t the subject matter but that they all appear to be well below grade level. We’re in private now but are these books representative of grade level reading in MCPS?

The grade level of "Pride Puppy" is pre-K and Head Start. The grade level most of the other books is K-Grade 5. Then there are 2 books each approved for Grade 6, Grade 7, and Grade 8. What is your problem here?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J0TsuuWckSvLucXh_xxl28X7eD0EkHzZjR6eXLBqOR4/edit

The answer to my question about the MCPS reading curriculum appears to be yes. Thanks for answering it.

How nice for you that you feel good about your decision to send your child to private school.

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of these books are problematic and I can understand why parents want to opt-out. I think MCPS has a good chance of losing based on freedom of religion grounds.

My daughter was forced to read a Boy Named Penelope and we don't agree with the viewpoints expressed in that book. I think it's dangerous for MCPS to take a stance on gender theory. None of this stuff is settled and we are very much in the throes of a societal debate about it, so people acting like people who disagree are neanderthals are wrong. There's lots of room for shades of gray here, but the activists won't allow it.

I think they are opting for the inclusivity of ALL of their students. The religious right doesn't get to decide for everyone any more and they are having a hissy fit about it.

They are not opting for the inclusivity of ALL of their students because Muslim parents are TELLING you these books and teachings about LGBTQ sexual norms and family structures VIOLATE their faith. They're not the only ones who this applies to.

You can't say you're inclusive for all when a significant chunk of students, who are Muslim or more conservative Christian, tell you this violates their faith. You're choosing to offend some to please others. And that's fine. But that's NOT inclusive and is the opposite of that.

I'm going to the church of the spaghetti monster and stupidity greatly offends me. I think we should have it banned. Does anyone want to join me in the class action against stupidity?

1. Get your church recognized as a church

2. File a lawsuit and try your luck

1. That is a church

2. They are both very litigious and very successful in their litigation.

Then may the best church win.

HOw about we keep religion out of schools altogether? Instill those values at home if you wish, but I don't care what religious sensibilities the curriculum is offending.

I think we could all get behind that if you would admit that your efforts to promote certain social and environmental agendas were also a religion (see definition of "dogma").

What you view as "promoting as certain social and environmental agendas" the rest of us view as acknowledging that these kids exists, allowing them to exist and including them instead of stuffing our head in the sand and hiding behind religion in order to bully these kids into depression and suicide. Someone's mare existence is not "dogma."

Gay and trans kids don't exist. Kids haven't gone through puberty and don't know who they are attracted to. Understanding your gender is a developmental step that most grasp at much earlier ages. Apparently some are either delayed or have parents with Munchausen by Proxy. In either case, they need help to escape either their own delusion or their parent's, not celebration.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parents should always have a say in what their kids are learning. Ideally, their day can be to leave this crazy system but not vv everyone can afford that. Parents should be able to opt out of having their two and three year olds use a word search to find words like drag in story books being read to them.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/3-montgomery-county-families-sue-mcps-over-lbtq-books.amp

As taxpayers parents should always have a say in what the kids are learning.

And so you do - at the ballot box, just like every other voter.

Makes perfect sense. Also, turning public education into an a la carte service (individual lesson plans) tailored to each student's prejudices seems like a huge burden, which would result in even less teaching. Maybe that's the end goal. It seems like many of these posters hate public schools and want to undermine to justify their "school choice" that caters to ignorance and bigotry.

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of these books are problematic and I can understand why parents want to opt-out. I think MCPS has a good chance of losing based on freedom of religion grounds.

My daughter was forced to read a Boy Named Penelope and we don't agree with the viewpoints expressed in that book. I think it's dangerous for MCPS to take a stance on gender theory. None of this stuff is settled and we are very much in the throes of a societal debate about it, so people acting like people who disagree are neanderthals are wrong. There's lots of room for shades of gray here, but the activists won't allow it.

I think they are opting for the inclusivity of ALL of their students. The religious right doesn't get to decide for everyone any more and they are having a hissy fit about it.

They are not opting for the inclusivity of ALL of their students because Muslim parents are TELLING you these books and teachings about LGBTQ sexual norms and family structures VIOLATE their faith. They're not the only ones who this applies to.

You can't say you're inclusive for all when a significant chunk of students, who are Muslim or more conservative Christian, tell you this violates their faith. You're choosing to offend some to please others. And that's fine. But that's NOT inclusive and is the opposite of that.

I'm going to the church of the spaghetti monster and stupidity greatly offends me. I think we should have it banned. Does anyone want to join me in the class action against stupidity?

1. Get your church recognized as a church

2. File a lawsuit and try your luck

1. That is a church

2. They are both very litigious and very successful in their litigation.

Then may the best church win.

HOw about we keep religion out of schools altogether? Instill those values at home if you wish, but I don't care what religious sensibilities the curriculum is offending.

I think we could all get behind that if you would admit that your efforts to promote certain social and environmental agendas were also a religion (see definition of "dogma").

What you view as "promoting as certain social and environmental agendas" the rest of us view as acknowledging that these kids exists, allowing them to exist and including them instead of stuffing our head in the sand and hiding behind religion in order to bully these kids into depression and suicide. Someone's mare existence is not "dogma."

Gay and trans kids don't exist. Kids haven't gone through puberty and don't know who they are attracted to. Understanding your gender is a developmental step that most grasp at much earlier ages. Apparently some are either delayed or have parents with Munchausen by Proxy. In either case, they need help to escape either their own delusion or their parent's, not celebration.