NYTimes: College educated workers are leaving DC due to high housing costs

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Anonymous wrote:Young people frequent the cities until they’re about 30-35. Then they move to the suburbs once it’s time to settle down. This is nothing really new.

The middle aged couples with kids who stay in the city to raise their kids to deal with bad schools and crime are truly the selfish ones for wanting to relive their youths when in reality, it’s just sad.

Truly wealthy people all live in the cities. Sorry you can’t afford that.

Affordability isn’t the issue. Bad schools, lack of green space, and crime are real factors. I don’t want to have to worry about my 14 year old daughter getting stalked by a creep on the metro. No thanks.

People ignoring rising crime in cities to justify how “wealthy” they are and it’s completely laughable.

Every problem that you list goes away if you have enough money

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Young people frequent the cities until they’re about 30-35. Then they move to the suburbs once it’s time to settle down. This is nothing really new.

The middle aged couples with kids who stay in the city to raise their kids to deal with bad schools and crime are truly the selfish ones for wanting to relive their youths when in reality, it’s just sad.

Truly wealthy people all live in the cities. Sorry you can’t afford that.

Affordability isn’t the issue. Bad schools, lack of green space, and crime are real factors. I don’t want to have to worry about my 14 year old daughter getting stalked by a creep on the metro. No thanks.

People ignoring rising crime in cities to justify how “wealthy” they are and it’s completely laughable.

Affordability is clearly an issue for you if you’re concerned about “bad schools.”

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Anonymous wrote:Young people frequent the cities until they’re about 30-35. Then they move to the suburbs once it’s time to settle down. This is nothing really new.

The middle aged couples with kids who stay in the city to raise their kids to deal with bad schools and crime are truly the selfish ones for wanting to relive their youths when in reality, it’s just sad.

Truly wealthy people all live in the cities. Sorry you can’t afford that.

Affordability isn’t the issue. Bad schools, lack of green space, and crime are real factors. I don’t want to have to worry about my 14 year old daughter getting stalked by a creep on the metro. No thanks.

People ignoring rising crime in cities to justify how “wealthy” they are and it’s completely laughable.

Every problem that you list goes away if you have enough money

Not true. There are definitely large areas of DC that must be avoided day or night.

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Anonymous wrote:Young people frequent the cities until they’re about 30-35. Then they move to the suburbs once it’s time to settle down. This is nothing really new.

The middle aged couples with kids who stay in the city to raise their kids to deal with bad schools and crime are truly the selfish ones for wanting to relive their youths when in reality, it’s just sad.

Truly wealthy people all live in the cities. Sorry you can’t afford that.

Affordability isn’t the issue. Bad schools, lack of green space, and crime are real factors. I don’t want to have to worry about my 14 year old daughter getting stalked by a creep on the metro. No thanks.

People ignoring rising crime in cities to justify how “wealthy” they are and it’s completely laughable.

Every problem that you list goes away if you have enough money

Nope. Money doesn’t magically get rid of the crime. Nor the lack of green space.

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Anonymous wrote:We left dc and it was the best decision we made. Our kids go to a strong public in our new, small city. The mental load here is so much less - less competitive professionally and academically, cost of living is about 60% less than dc, there is little traffic. We have everything we need, albeit no world class museums or a multitude of fine dining restaurants, but we don’t miss those things that much. We have calm, normal neighbors who do normal things and take normal vacations. My kids aren’t in a pressure cooker school yet still seems to be learning a ton and doing great on standardized testing. Their college options are better coming from here than close in DMV. We have room to breathe. We moved about 4 years ago and our house has appreciated about 50%.

Congratulations on the mediocrity.

DP. Why hate on someone who doesn’t like being in DC? I live here and there’s nothing truly remarkable about living here. Housing options suck and are expensive (yet the homes themselves are built so poorly), traffic, and it’s a ratrace. What’s so remarkable about DC?

History, museums, arts, architecture, and tons of interesting people with interesting jobs. Sure, you can get sucked into some crappy scene here. If what you want is some place that is cheaper, easier to drive around, and with fewer high achieving people to make you feel insecure, that's fine, but it sounds pretty mediocre.

And Chicago, Philly and Boston have the same.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Young people frequent the cities until they’re about 30-35. Then they move to the suburbs once it’s time to settle down. This is nothing really new.

The middle aged couples with kids who stay in the city to raise their kids to deal with bad schools and crime are truly the selfish ones for wanting to relive their youths when in reality, it’s just sad.

Truly wealthy people all live in the cities. Sorry you can’t afford that.

Affordability isn’t the issue. Bad schools, lack of green space, and crime are real factors. I don’t want to have to worry about my 14 year old daughter getting stalked by a creep on the metro. No thanks.

People ignoring rising crime in cities to justify how “wealthy” they are and it’s completely laughable.

Every problem that you list goes away if you have enough money

Nope. Money doesn’t magically get rid of the crime. Nor the lack of green space.

If residents have more money, homes get updated, appraisals and taxes go up. There is gentrification, new people more demanding of better services and supportive of local schools. Employers and businesses are willing to move there so yes money solves many problems.

Same way if you have money, house in a nicer neighborhood, great security system, covered garage, own car, gym/golf membership, kids in expensive private schools and extracurricular programs etc etc.

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Money does not help you if you are stuck inside a metro rail train with a psycho who wants to hurt strangers with a weapon for no good reason

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Treating the 21-64 year old as a single cohort is odd. I would want to see differences between 21-35, 36-54, 55-64 or something similar.

All of the cities that are catching the transplants have the same news stories about crime, homelessness, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Young people frequent the cities until they’re about 30-35. Then they move to the suburbs once it’s time to settle down. This is nothing really new.

The middle aged couples with kids who stay in the city to raise their kids to deal with bad schools and crime are truly the selfish ones for wanting to relive their youths when in reality, it’s just sad.

Truly wealthy people all live in the cities. Sorry you can’t afford that.

Affordability isn’t the issue. Bad schools, lack of green space, and crime are real factors. I don’t want to have to worry about my 14 year old daughter getting stalked by a creep on the metro. No thanks.

People ignoring rising crime in cities to justify how “wealthy” they are and it’s completely laughable.

Every problem that you list goes away if you have enough money

Nope. Money doesn’t magically get rid of the crime. Nor the lack of green space.

There are plenty of houses on large leafy plots in relatively crime free neighborhoods for those that can afford them in almost every city.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Money does not help you if you are stuck inside a metro rail train with a psycho who wants to hurt strangers with a weapon for no good reason

It does if it means that you don't have to ride metro

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We left dc and it was the best decision we made. Our kids go to a strong public in our new, small city. The mental load here is so much less - less competitive professionally and academically, cost of living is about 60% less than dc, there is little traffic. We have everything we need, albeit no world class museums or a multitude of fine dining restaurants, but we don’t miss those things that much. We have calm, normal neighbors who do normal things and take normal vacations. My kids aren’t in a pressure cooker school yet still seems to be learning a ton and doing great on standardized testing. Their college options are better coming from here than close in DMV. We have room to breathe. We moved about 4 years ago and our house has appreciated about 50%.

Congratulations on the mediocrity.

DP. Why hate on someone who doesn’t like being in DC? I live here and there’s nothing truly remarkable about living here. Housing options suck and are expensive (yet the homes themselves are built so poorly), traffic, and it’s a ratrace. What’s so remarkable about DC?

History, museums, arts, architecture, and tons of interesting people with interesting jobs. Sure, you can get sucked into some crappy scene here. If what you want is some place that is cheaper, easier to drive around, and with fewer high achieving people to make you feel insecure, that's fine, but it sounds pretty mediocre.

And Chicago, Philly and Boston have the same.

Wait until the PP’s young adult kids want to live in Philly in Northern Liberties, Fishtown or Point Breeze. There are even high rise luxury apartments going up in Kensington. They will have a heart attack from their pearl-clutching.

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Anonymous wrote:Money does not help you if you are stuck inside a metro rail train with a psycho who wants to hurt strangers with a weapon for no good reason

It does if it means that you don't have to ride metro

I’ve been on the orange/silver line a just handful of times over the past 6 months, when the trains are generally busy. No safety concerns on those trips but I’ve been vigilant. DC’s Metro definitely has safety issues, but honestly nothing compared to massive safety problems on LA’s Metro, Muni/Bart in San Francisco, Septa in Philly, Chicago’s El or Portland’s MAX trains.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Money does not help you if you are stuck inside a metro rail train with a psycho who wants to hurt strangers with a weapon for no good reason

It does if it means that you don't have to ride metro

I’ve been on the orange/silver line a just handful of times over the past 6 months, when the trains are generally busy. No safety concerns on those trips but I’ve been vigilant. DC’s Metro definitely has safety issues, but honestly nothing compared to massive safety problems on LA’s Metro, Muni/Bart in San Francisco, Septa in Philly, Chicago’s El or Portland’s MAX trains.

SEPTA el trains are unsafe, I’ll give you that

Never had any issues with regional rail or buses there

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not just cheaper housing. It’s better schools, less crime and fewer homeless people.

Not to mention rural, towns and suburbs have caught up in terms of dining, gyms and other amenities. You no longer need to live in a city for access to these things.

No. I live in a rural town and there is none of the following here or within 90 minutes of me: stores such as Lululemon, Apple, Athleta, Nordstrom, Coach and also Whole Foods, Equinox, Lifetime Fitness, Trader Joe’s, Soulcycle, Justsalad, Sweetgreen and Cava.

I live in a rural setting and nearly all of that is within 45 minutes - which, where I am, is about 15-20 minutes past the nearest thing.

Who wants to drive 45min each way to go to TJ? That's my weekly grocery run which is 10min away.

I live in the burbs, and all of that is within 15min from me.

My teen kids, 20/30 something yr old nieces/nephews want a big suburb, not rural and not big city.

NP. WTF wants to go to TJ's as a primary grocery store in the first place? Are you that desperate for small, overpriced packages of processed frozen foods?

I love TJ. They have great selection of different kids of foods. You don't have to shop there if you don't want to.

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These stats are from pandemic era. We are back to in person work. When older college educated leave for single family homes and schools, new college graduates move in. Obviously, rich can afford housing and private schools so these aren't deciding factors for them, careers progress and business opportunities are.