Ivy League son is graduating next month with a rubbish GPA and no FT job offer

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Anonymous wrote:My nephew graduated from an Ivy last year with a communication degree and no job.  He spent six months after graduation working at an exclusive golf country club.  He happened to be a very good golfer and got noticed by corporate senior management who are members at the club.  He got to play with them whenever they were short handed.  They found out that he graduated from Ivy so one of the COO gave him a job at the Fortune 500 company.  He was recently promoted to Senior Director and he is making around 285K/yr.  The moral of the story is to hustle and get close to important people.  Good things will happen.  A degree from Ivy will get people attention.

I would express the moral of this story in a slightly different manner. The moral of the story is to learn to play golf well & connect with other, older golfers.

However, I do find it incredible that you nephew is making $285,000 a year after working in a real job for just about 6 months.

Exactly.  Golf allows you the opportunity to meet older golfers who can give you jobs.  Golf in itself requires a lot of hard work to get good at it and important people who play golf recognize this. The key is to take advantage of the situation when it is presented to you.  Most people are not capable of doing that. Btw, there are quite a few people at my workplace who are making 250K one year after graduation with one person making 290K after 18 months after graduation so it is possible.

And this is why things are still stacked against women. The good ol' boys golf buddies usually don't include women, especially nonwhite women.

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The moral of the story is look a certain way and you will get opportunities in life that others don’t. I’m sure the valets parking cars at the golf club didn’t get offers from these bigwigs.

This has nothing to do with hard work and hustle.

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Anonymous wrote:the low gpa college do-nothings I know have always gotten jobs in sales.

you have failed your son by letting him be one month from graduation with no internships and no job prospects. i know kids like this. kids whose parents didn't stay involved and guide them a little in college ended up floundering at the end.

I had zero guidance from parents, but that's also because they were poor immigrants. I had to hustle on my own. I hated being poor.

OP's DS has a UMC problem. If you were poor, your DC would have done what he needed to to get a job because low income parents aren't helping their adult children with a college degree from an ivy. It's the other way around.

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I think all you helpful posters should stop offering suggestions, since the OP won't provide more info.

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Anonymous wrote:My nephew graduated from an Ivy last year with a communication degree and no job.  He spent six months after graduation working at an exclusive golf country club.  He happened to be a very good golfer and got noticed by corporate senior management who are members at the club.  He got to play with them whenever they were short handed.  They found out that he graduated from Ivy so one of the COO gave him a job at the Fortune 500 company.  He was recently promoted to Senior Director and he is making around 285K/yr.  The moral of the story is to hustle and get close to important people.  Good things will happen.  A degree from Ivy will get people attention.

I would express the moral of this story in a slightly different manner. The moral of the story is to learn to play golf well & connect with other, older golfers.

However, I do find it incredible that you nephew is making $285,000 a year after working in a real job for just about 6 months.

Exactly.  Golf allows you the opportunity to meet older golfers who can give you jobs.  Golf in itself requires a lot of hard work to get good at it and important people who play golf recognize this. The key is to take advantage of the situation when it is presented to you.  Most people are not capable of doing that. Btw, there are quite a few people at my workplace who are making 250K one year after graduation with one person making 290K after 18 months after graduation so it is possible.

And this is why things are still stacked against women. The good ol' boys golf buddies usually don't include women, especially nonwhite women.

+1

The moral of the story is look a certain way and you will get opportunities in life that others don’t. I’m sure the valets parking cars at the golf club didn’t get offers from these bigwigs.

This has nothing to do with hard work and hustle.

Classic nothing is my fault, it's always other people's fault, the whole world is against me complaint.

Some of you are taking too seriously clearly made up hypothetical situations. Lazy kids don't walk into 285k sinecures just by golfing with a buddy's dad or caddying at a golf club. 285k is probably the typical salary for a senior VP at a F500 20-25 years out of college.

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Anonymous wrote:My nephew graduated from an Ivy last year with a communication degree and no job.  He spent six months after graduation working at an exclusive golf country club.  He happened to be a very good golfer and got noticed by corporate senior management who are members at the club.  He got to play with them whenever they were short handed.  They found out that he graduated from Ivy so one of the COO gave him a job at the Fortune 500 company.  He was recently promoted to Senior Director and he is making around 285K/yr.  The moral of the story is to hustle and get close to important people.  Good things will happen.  A degree from Ivy will get people attention.

I would express the moral of this story in a slightly different manner. The moral of the story is to learn to play golf well & connect with other, older golfers.

However, I do find it incredible that you nephew is making $285,000 a year after working in a real job for just about 6 months.

Exactly.  Golf allows you the opportunity to meet older golfers who can give you jobs.  Golf in itself requires a lot of hard work to get good at it and important people who play golf recognize this. The key is to take advantage of the situation when it is presented to you.  Most people are not capable of doing that. Btw, there are quite a few people at my workplace who are making 250K one year after graduation with one person making 290K after 18 months after graduation so it is possible.

And this is why things are still stacked against women. The good ol' boys golf buddies usually don't include women, especially nonwhite women.

+1

The moral of the story is look a certain way and you will get opportunities in life that others don’t. I’m sure the valets parking cars at the golf club didn’t get offers from these bigwigs.

This has nothing to do with hard work and hustle.

Classic nothing is my fault, it's always other people's fault, the whole world is against me complaint.

Some of you are taking too seriously clearly made up hypothetical situations. Lazy kids don't walk into 285k sinecures just by golfing with a buddy's dad or caddying at a golf club. 285k is probably the typical salary for a senior VP at a F500 20-25 years out of college.

Senior VPs at fortune 500 make at least 600K. Senior VPs at my non-profit make around 400K with a 25% year-end bonus.

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Anonymous wrote:My nephew graduated from an Ivy last year with a communication degree and no job.  He spent six months after graduation working at an exclusive golf country club.  He happened to be a very good golfer and got noticed by corporate senior management who are members at the club.  He got to play with them whenever they were short handed.  They found out that he graduated from Ivy so one of the COO gave him a job at the Fortune 500 company.  He was recently promoted to Senior Director and he is making around 285K/yr.  The moral of the story is to hustle and get close to important people.  Good things will happen.  A degree from Ivy will get people attention.

I would express the moral of this story in a slightly different manner. The moral of the story is to learn to play golf well & connect with other, older golfers.

However, I do find it incredible that you nephew is making $285,000 a year after working in a real job for just about 6 months.

Exactly.  Golf allows you the opportunity to meet older golfers who can give you jobs.  Golf in itself requires a lot of hard work to get good at it and important people who play golf recognize this. The key is to take advantage of the situation when it is presented to you.  Most people are not capable of doing that. Btw, there are quite a few people at my workplace who are making 250K one year after graduation with one person making 290K after 18 months after graduation so it is possible.

You forgot the most important step - have rich parents.

You could be a scratch golfer but you're never going to meet someone who will hand you a $285K job at Langston or Rock Creek, and if you don't have a ridiculously good job already the only way you're getting into the country club is mommy and daddy.

You're wrong on this. If you're a scratch golfer, you will get invited to play at an expensive private Country Club. Wealthy people know where to find you because they want to play with scratch golfers.

My DS attended an expensive private school on 90% FA as an average student but he excelled in golf and tennis. Private schools play golf in the fall and tennis in the spring. DS was an all-state player in both sports from 9th to 12th grade. He got invited to play golf at Congressional, Riverbend, Chevy Chase by his friends with wealthy parents all the time. We were middle-class at the time so we could only afford Fairfax County Public golf courses like Lauren Hill, Twin Lakes, etc.. DS didn't play at public golf courses a single time in HS because he got invited by his friends to play at private CCs. He recently graduated from college and got a very good paying job and his boss is one of his best friends' mothers, and he was just an average student.

If you have a college degree and are a scratch golfer, go work at a CC in the golf section. Work hard, be humble, and older golfers will notice you. You can fill in when one of their partners doesn't show up and your opportunity will come, much sooner than you think.

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12 pages and OP still hasn’t mentioned the son’s major.

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Being a rich white male has lots of unearned privileges in life. For first time in history, being black female is an advantage now.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, I don't know if OP is a troll or not. Just because DS is at an Ivy doesn't mean that he doesn't need help with navigating life. Academic skills and job-seeking skills are not the same. I would highly recommend hiring a career coach. Honestly, he could have used one two years ago, but it's never too late. Don't rely upon career services at school. If he really cannot display any enthusiasm for anything with the career coach, then he may be depressed. I still am not sure if OP is a troll because the son must have done something during the past few summers.
I help my college-age child with a lot of life navigation, because no one ever did that for me.

This is the way.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of job does he want? Any kid with an Ivy league degree can get *a* job. Seriously.

I don't know. He doesn't know.
Ideally, he'd like to make a lot of money.
But I don't think he realizes the degree isn't enough? His classmates who are going to make a lot of money have excellent resumes and/or lots of family connections. He/we have neither.

Oh, would he now? 🤣
You'll be much better off setting his expectations more in reality.
Judging by everything you've written, it sounds like he's in for a major disappointment.

That statement is really obtuse & blissfully ignorant of him... as if making a lot of money isn't the goal for 99.9% of people living on this planet already, lol?

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Anonymous wrote:Have him work beach jobs this summer and get roommates. He should easily make $30,000 - $40,000 for 3-4 months of work with a little hustle. Then he can reevaluate.

Workers at Seacrets make bank.

Are you insane?
Please come back down to reality.

What "beach job" is paying $30k - $40k for 3 months of work, (or $120k - $160k per year?).

The only job that could make anywhere within the stratosphere of $40k for 3 months at Seacrets would be a bartender (try more like $10k - $20k) and only the senior bartenders make that.
So, unless her kid already has bartender training and 2-3 years of bartender experience, you can count working at Seacrets out.
Plus, the bartenders who've worked there for years get seniority, and there's zero chance that they're going to give up the busy shifts that make the most $$.

No busy beach bar is going to ever hire a bartender trainee during their busiest time of the year.

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Anonymous wrote:Has he done anything substantive to show interest in his field while in college? Did he do research for a professor? Did he join any professional societies? Intern during the semester anywhere? Work a campus job? A summer job?

It's been 1.5 years since COVID were rolled back. If he has done nothing to sell about himself, he's just lazy.

I'm his mother and I'm not going to disagree with your appraisal. Now that we have that out of the way, how does he get a good job with a practically vacant resume and one month from earning an Ivy League bachelor's degree?

Starbucks or equivelant while he searches for something more substantive.

Why do you keep pushing Starbucks? Have you never heard of temp agencies? Those pay better wages if you have skills and get you into offices where you can make connections.

Exactly what qualifications or experience would make a temp agency want to take this person on?

There are only about 13,000 Ivy League bachelor's degrees minted each year out of about 1.9 million bachelor's nationwide. Of course someone as successful as you ( ) doesn't value an Ivy League degree, the perception it confers, and the rigor and brainpower it takes to get into the college, but many employers do. Some employers want dibs on students from these universities, even raw ones, and will pay a premium for it. These employers pay multiple times more than the $15 an hour Home Depot and Starbucks pay to any high school graduate who shows up for an interview.

So, if he's got all of this rigor and brainpower, mom... how exactly did he end up with a rubbish GPA and absolutely zero on his resume to show for it all?

Yes, employers want dibs on kids from Ivy schools... but they don't want the kids who got there and barely graduated.
They want the ones who've shown ambition, drive, initiative, enthusiasm, motivation, aspiration, determination...

please stop me when I've mentioned an adjective that describes your kid.

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Anonymous wrote:My nephew graduated from an Ivy last year with a communication degree and no job.  He spent six months after graduation working at an exclusive golf country club.  He happened to be a very good golfer and got noticed by corporate senior management who are members at the club.  He got to play with them whenever they were short handed.  They found out that he graduated from Ivy so one of the COO gave him a job at the Fortune 500 company.  He was recently promoted to Senior Director and he is making around 285K/yr.  The moral of the story is to hustle and get close to important people.  Good things will happen.  A degree from Ivy will get people attention.

I would express the moral of this story in a slightly different manner. The moral of the story is to learn to play golf well & connect with other, older golfers.

However, I do find it incredible that you nephew is making $285,000 a year after working in a real job for just about 6 months.

Exactly.  Golf allows you the opportunity to meet older golfers who can give you jobs.  Golf in itself requires a lot of hard work to get good at it and important people who play golf recognize this. The key is to take advantage of the situation when it is presented to you.  Most people are not capable of doing that. Btw, there are quite a few people at my workplace who are making 250K one year after graduation with one person making 290K after 18 months after graduation so it is possible.

And this is why things are still stacked against women. The good ol' boys golf buddies usually don't include women, especially nonwhite women.

+1

The moral of the story is look a certain way and you will get opportunities in life that others don’t. I’m sure the valets parking cars at the golf club didn’t get offers from these bigwigs.

This has nothing to do with hard work and hustle.

Classic nothing is my fault, it's always other people's fault, the whole world is against me complaint.

Some of you are taking too seriously clearly made up hypothetical situations. Lazy kids don't walk into 285k sinecures just by golfing with a buddy's dad or caddying at a golf club. 285k is probably the typical salary for a senior VP at a F500 20-25 years out of college.

Agree. This thread is award-winning trolling.

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Exactly what qualifications or experience would make a temp agency want to take this person on?

When I graduated from an Ivy League school and had no full time job offer lined up, I interviewed with a few different temp agencies in my home town and they were thrilled to hire me. I could type well; I had great grammar, spelling and punctuation.
I spoke English.
I learned quickly.

I don't recommend working for a temp agency, but getting hired was not a problem.

and there it is. 🧐

BTW, you do know that high schools don't offer typing anymore, and most college students aren't versed enough on PC's to speed type accurately or precisely.

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My nephew graduated from an Ivy last year with a communication degree and no job.  He spent six months after graduation working at an exclusive golf country club.  He happened to be a very good golfer and got noticed by corporate senior management who are members at the club.  He got to play with them whenever they were short handed.  They found out that he graduated from Ivy so one of the COO gave him a job at the Fortune 500 company.  He was recently promoted to Senior Director and he is making around 285K/yr.  The moral of the story is to hustle and get close to important people.  Good things will happen.  A degree from Ivy will get people attention.

All in just 12 months time, he advanced up to SENIOR DIRECTOR of a Fortune 500 company, and he went from having no job experience, to 6 months caddying at a country club... then wham, Senior Director?

Yeah... I'll take things that never happened for $1,000, Alex.