Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame is more selective than any school outside of the top Ivies and Stanford. Its test scores are through the roof. It has a smaller applicant pool than many of the other top schools because it’s Catholic and many top applicants write it off for that reason alone. The applicant pool that it does attract is supremely qualified and the students that it admits enroll at a very high rate.

Notre Dame
1410-1550
Emory
1430-1530
Georgetown
1380-1530
WashU
1490-1570
Cornell
1450-1560
I could keep going,there all sky high.

Georgetown doesn’t superscore and wants all tests. So any comparison with Georgetown is inaccurate when other scores allow as many takes as you want and subscores from different sittings..

And comparing ND (non-Jesuit) with a Jesuit institution (GU or BC) is ridiculous as well.

Why? Who are these people who keep insisting there is some huge difference here? Lots of us have kids and ND and BC.

That comes up a lot on DCUM - I can only assume it's from non-Catholics who take some kind of solace in hating "Catholics" but not the actual brilliant priest they know, because he's "Jesuit". BC and ND are nearly identical schools as far as Catholic identity. Biggest difference is location.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think admissions percentage is a stupid thing to judge a school by.
ND is - by its own account and by clearly shown on this thread - not a school for everyone. It is was it is. A great smallish sized Catholic school in the middle of nowhere, with fantastic academics and a focus on undergraduate education that is missing at a lot of T25 schools. For some kids, including my daughter, that's the perfect fit. For some kids, including plenty of her awesome friends, it would have been a disastrous fit.

Because it makes no attempt to hide what it is, or to recruit kids who wouldn't thrive there to apply, the applicant pool is largely self selecting.

It also has a really high yield rate for those same reason - those kids who apply truly want to attend. It's seldom someone's fall-back option.

As for the general anti-Catholic bigotry and ignorance - I've come to accept that from DCUM.

As for the anti-Indiana rhetoric... yeah... that's fair. But the ND kids have as much to do with Indiana politics as the Georgetown kids have to do with the latest DCPS drama. It's just not part of their lives.

How is South Bend "middle of no where"??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

That’s scary that some alumni are really that conservative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

That’s scary that some alumni are really that conservative.

Nothing scary about. There are always various opinions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think admissions percentage is a stupid thing to judge a school by.
ND is - by its own account and by clearly shown on this thread - not a school for everyone. It is was it is. A great smallish sized Catholic school in the middle of nowhere, with fantastic academics and a focus on undergraduate education that is missing at a lot of T25 schools. For some kids, including my daughter, that's the perfect fit. For some kids, including plenty of her awesome friends, it would have been a disastrous fit.

Because it makes no attempt to hide what it is, or to recruit kids who wouldn't thrive there to apply, the applicant pool is largely self selecting.

It also has a really high yield rate for those same reason - those kids who apply truly want to attend. It's seldom someone's fall-back option.

As for the general anti-Catholic bigotry and ignorance - I've come to accept that from DCUM.

As for the anti-Indiana rhetoric... yeah... that's fair. But the ND kids have as much to do with Indiana politics as the Georgetown kids have to do with the latest DCPS drama. It's just not part of their lives.

State politics matter if they are taking away your rights and personal liberty.

[Anonymous]

Interesting article about a top ND football recruit who had to withdraw his letter of intent to attend the school after he couldn’t get past admissions. That didn’t stop Michigan, Vanderbilt or BC from offering him. The kid ended up at Michigan.

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/former-irish-signee-hillman-opens-up-about-why-he-didn-t-end-up-at-nd

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

What do you call someone who clearly has no personal experience with Notre Dame and so little knowledge about the Catholic Church that it labels ND’s administration as “evangelical?”

A bigot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting article about a top ND football recruit who had to withdraw his letter of intent to attend the school after he couldn’t get past admissions. That didn’t stop Michigan, Vanderbilt or BC from offering him. The kid ended up at Michigan.

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/former-irish-signee-hillman-opens-up-about-why-he-didn-t-end-up-at-nd

Wow, I heard about this but didn't realize admissions actually denied him. This is what makes ND football so challenging from a recruiting standpoint with their academic requirements...and yet they still are ranked year after year. Go Irish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think admissions percentage is a stupid thing to judge a school by.
ND is - by its own account and by clearly shown on this thread - not a school for everyone. It is was it is. A great smallish sized Catholic school in the middle of nowhere, with fantastic academics and a focus on undergraduate education that is missing at a lot of T25 schools. For some kids, including my daughter, that's the perfect fit. For some kids, including plenty of her awesome friends, it would have been a disastrous fit.

Because it makes no attempt to hide what it is, or to recruit kids who wouldn't thrive there to apply, the applicant pool is largely self selecting.

It also has a really high yield rate for those same reason - those kids who apply truly want to attend. It's seldom someone's fall-back option.

As for the general anti-Catholic bigotry and ignorance - I've come to accept that from DCUM.

As for the anti-Indiana rhetoric... yeah... that's fair. But the ND kids have as much to do with Indiana politics as the Georgetown kids have to do with the latest DCPS drama. It's just not part of their lives.

State politics matter if they are taking away your rights and personal liberty.

You should take your complaints to the politics forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting article about a top ND football recruit who had to withdraw his letter of intent to attend the school after he couldn’t get past admissions. That didn’t stop Michigan, Vanderbilt or BC from offering him. The kid ended up at Michigan.

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/former-irish-signee-hillman-opens-up-about-why-he-didn-t-end-up-at-nd

Wow, I heard about this but didn't realize admissions actually denied him. This is what makes ND football so challenging from a recruiting standpoint with their academic requirements...and yet they still are ranked year after year. Go Irish.

Virginia offered him as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

You are angry at a handful of politicians and judges who happen to be Catholic (or used to be in the case of Gorsuch and Barrett -- her organization is primarily Protestant), conveniently ignoring the fact that many Catholic politicians and judges, including two on the Supreme Court and the President, hold the same political view that you do. You are incorrectly painting an entire religion and any school associated with that religion, with a single political brush. That is bigotry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

Do you know what Evangelicals are? That isn't a term for generic extremists. Evangelical is a specific type of Christian who focuses on "evangelizing" or converting people. Most evangelical christians don't even think Catholics are "true" Christians.
You can make a solid case for some Catholic extremists, but conflating Catholic extremism and evangelicalism just shows a real ignorance on your part of both groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

You are angry at a handful of politicians and judges who happen to be Catholic (or used to be in the case of Gorsuch and Barrett -- her organization is primarily Protestant), conveniently ignoring the fact that many Catholic politicians and judges, including two on the Supreme Court and the President, hold the same political view that you do. You are incorrectly painting an entire religion and any school associated with that religion, with a single political brush. That is bigotry.

Right? The same person that screams about Barrett's Catholicism will conveniently ignore just how much Biden's Catholicism has shaped him and his politics.