Carjackings just will.not.stop. MoCo council is out of control.

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An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.

The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.

No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.

That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.

How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.

No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.

These kids are NOT carjacking "because they are poor."

They are also NOT carjacking due to the absence of an abusive father!

They are carjacking because their culture accepts and glorifies it. If we’re being real.

This.

I’m an AA with hundreds of AA friends and acquaintances in this area. WE DO NOT promote or encourage carjackings OR any other type of crimes. You are beyond ridiculous for saying that carjacking is cultural.

Just and editorial but:

http://www.tribune242.com/news/2013/feb/12/is-popular-culture-fueling-gun-violence/

Not specifically about carjacking but it’s the same idea

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An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.

The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.

No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.

That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.

How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.

No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.

These kids are NOT carjacking "because they are poor."

They are also NOT carjacking due to the absence of an abusive father!

They are carjacking because their culture accepts and glorifies it. If we’re being real.

This.

I’m an AA with hundreds of AA friends and acquaintances in this area. WE DO NOT promote or encourage carjackings OR any other type of crimes. You are beyond ridiculous for saying that carjacking is cultural.

I live around UMC AA and agree with you. However, I don't think white progressives are aware of educated or middle class AA as they keep voting to give AA safe space to commit consequence free crime until 25 years old, zero expectations for school performance, and even took a black stereotype (being late) and made it a social justice initiative.

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An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.

The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.

No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.

That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.

How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.

No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.

These kids are NOT carjacking "because they are poor."

They are also NOT carjacking due to the absence of an abusive father!

They are carjacking because their culture accepts and glorifies it. If we’re being real.

This.

I’m an AA with hundreds of AA friends and acquaintances in this area. WE DO NOT promote or encourage carjackings OR any other type of crimes. You are beyond ridiculous for saying that carjacking is cultural.

I live around UMC AA and agree with you. However, I don't think white progressives are aware of educated or middle class AA as they keep voting to give AA safe space to commit consequence free crime until 25 years old, zero expectations for school performance, and even took a black stereotype (being late) and made it a social justice initiative.

+1. White progressives pander to poor inner city black folk, and could care less about those of us who are middle class and live in the suburbs.

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An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.

The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.

No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.

That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.

How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.

No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.

These kids are NOT carjacking "because they are poor."

They are also NOT carjacking due to the absence of an abusive father!

They are carjacking because their culture accepts and glorifies it. If we’re being real.

This.

I’m an AA with hundreds of AA friends and acquaintances in this area. WE DO NOT promote or encourage carjackings OR any other type of crimes. You are beyond ridiculous for saying that carjacking is cultural.

I’m an AA as well. It’s not inherently part of black culture, but it’s inherently part of hood / rap culture these days, just like “having oops” (enemies from a rival neighborhood) is. You can pretend that these things don’t exist because they are upsetting to you, but that doesn’t solve the problem.

*opps

PP, here. Thanks for confirming that the AA culture is NOT monolithic. I’ve never even heard of “opps” and I have AA teenagers.

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Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/cordelltraffic/status/1628206904118837253?s=21&t=n0qeGoOuMm03Lc43eqHwSw

An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.

The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.

No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.

That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.

How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.

No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.

These kids are NOT carjacking "because they are poor."

They are also NOT carjacking due to the absence of an abusive father!

They are carjacking because their culture accepts and glorifies it. If we’re being real.

This.

I’m an AA with hundreds of AA friends and acquaintances in this area. WE DO NOT promote or encourage carjackings OR any other type of crimes. You are beyond ridiculous for saying that carjacking is cultural.

I’m an AA as well. It’s not inherently part of black culture, but it’s inherently part of hood / rap culture these days, just like “having oops” (enemies from a rival neighborhood) is. You can pretend that these things don’t exist because they are upsetting to you, but that doesn’t solve the problem.

*opps

PP, here. Thanks for confirming that the AA culture is NOT monolithic. I’ve never even heard of “opps” and I have AA teenagers.

Obviously. UMC suburban black folk and urban ghetto blacks couldn’t be more different. The cultural problem lies with the latter. And yes, it is a cultural problem.

-Wealthy black dude

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Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/cordelltraffic/status/1628206904118837253?s=21&t=n0qeGoOuMm03Lc43eqHwSw

An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.

The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.

No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.

That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.

How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.

No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.

These kids are NOT carjacking "because they are poor."

They are also NOT carjacking due to the absence of an abusive father!

They are carjacking because their culture accepts and glorifies it. If we’re being real.

This.

I’m an AA with hundreds of AA friends and acquaintances in this area. WE DO NOT promote or encourage carjackings OR any other type of crimes. You are beyond ridiculous for saying that carjacking is cultural.

I’m an AA as well. It’s not inherently part of black culture, but it’s inherently part of hood / rap culture these days, just like “having oops” (enemies from a rival neighborhood) is. You can pretend that these things don’t exist because they are upsetting to you, but that doesn’t solve the problem.

*opps

PP, here. Thanks for confirming that the AA culture is NOT monolithic. I’ve never even heard of “opps” and I have AA teenagers.

Obviously. UMC suburban black folk and urban ghetto blacks couldn’t be more different. The cultural problem lies with the latter. And yes, it is a cultural problem.

-Wealthy black dude

Dwayne Betts is a Yale Law grad with a remarkable story. PG County honors student. For some crazy reason, he at age 16 carjacked a car at an Alexandria mall. Tried as an adult and received 7 years in prison. Survived in prison due to his superior intelligence being put to use to help fellow prisoners. He would be the first to tell you that tough sentences do indeed reduce this kind of crime, although in his case the judge wondered out loud if the minimum sentence he had to hand down was the right thing for this kid.

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Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/cordelltraffic/status/1628206904118837253?s=21&t=n0qeGoOuMm03Lc43eqHwSw

An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.

The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.

No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.

That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.

How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.

No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.

These kids are NOT carjacking "because they are poor."

They are also NOT carjacking due to the absence of an abusive father!

They are carjacking because their culture accepts and glorifies it. If we’re being real.

This.

I’m an AA with hundreds of AA friends and acquaintances in this area. WE DO NOT promote or encourage carjackings OR any other type of crimes. You are beyond ridiculous for saying that carjacking is cultural.

I’m an AA as well. It’s not inherently part of black culture, but it’s inherently part of hood / rap culture these days, just like “having oops” (enemies from a rival neighborhood) is. You can pretend that these things don’t exist because they are upsetting to you, but that doesn’t solve the problem.

*opps

PP, here. Thanks for confirming that the AA culture is NOT monolithic. I’ve never even heard of “opps” and I have AA teenagers.

Obviously. UMC suburban black folk and urban ghetto blacks couldn’t be more different. The cultural problem lies with the latter. And yes, it is a cultural problem.

-Wealthy black dude

i think this is very fair to say. i grew up lower income white but in the exburbs. my white friend Glen Burnie was 13 when her mom allowed her 27 year old boyfriend to move in with her to help pay bills. and they grew weed on the fireplace mantle. my mom would have killed me dead before allowing that to happen. we were both lower income whites. but for whatever reason, neighborhood influences play a big role, and you can’t just define culture by race. not even by race plus income. location, opportunity, peers all matter

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An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.

The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.

No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.

That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.

How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.

No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.

These kids are NOT carjacking "because they are poor."

They are also NOT carjacking due to the absence of an abusive father!

They are carjacking because their culture accepts and glorifies it. If we’re being real.

This.

I’m an AA with hundreds of AA friends and acquaintances in this area. WE DO NOT promote or encourage carjackings OR any other type of crimes. You are beyond ridiculous for saying that carjacking is cultural.

I’m an AA as well. It’s not inherently part of black culture, but it’s inherently part of hood / rap culture these days, just like “having oops” (enemies from a rival neighborhood) is. You can pretend that these things don’t exist because they are upsetting to you, but that doesn’t solve the problem.

*opps

PP, here. Thanks for confirming that the AA culture is NOT monolithic. I’ve never even heard of “opps” and I have AA teenagers.

Obviously. UMC suburban black folk and urban ghetto blacks couldn’t be more different. The cultural problem lies with the latter. And yes, it is a cultural problem.

-Wealthy black dude

i think this is very fair to say. i grew up lower income white but in the exburbs. my white friend Glen Burnie was 13 when her mom allowed her 27 year old boyfriend to move in with her to help pay bills. and they grew weed on the fireplace mantle. my mom would have killed me dead before allowing that to happen. we were both lower income whites. but for whatever reason, neighborhood influences play a big role, and you can’t just define culture by race. not even by race plus income. location, opportunity, peers all matter

Concentrated poverty has a lot of horrible effects and is a direct consequence of structural racism

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Anonymous wrote:I always follow what goes on in Takoma Park because it exposes the true hypocrisy of Montgomery County government, because it’s where the county politicians and their supporters live. And what we see now is that they are going tough on crime in their neighborhood while preventing that same tough on crime policing throughout the rest of the county. This is how you know that these people don’t believe their own b.s. And it’s the same about everything.

Which County Council members live in Takoma Park?

Not Council but Jamie Raskin lives there.

No, he is or was in Chevy Chase. Has he moved?

Yes. His son killed himself in their TP house.

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An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.

The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.

No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.

That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.

How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.

No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.

These kids are NOT carjacking "because they are poor."

They are also NOT carjacking due to the absence of an abusive father!

They are carjacking because their culture accepts and glorifies it. If we’re being real.

This.

I’m an AA with hundreds of AA friends and acquaintances in this area. WE DO NOT promote or encourage carjackings OR any other type of crimes. You are beyond ridiculous for saying that carjacking is cultural.

I’m an AA as well. It’s not inherently part of black culture, but it’s inherently part of hood / rap culture these days, just like “having oops” (enemies from a rival neighborhood) is. You can pretend that these things don’t exist because they are upsetting to you, but that doesn’t solve the problem.

*opps

PP, here. Thanks for confirming that the AA culture is NOT monolithic. I’ve never even heard of “opps” and I have AA teenagers.

Obviously. UMC suburban black folk and urban ghetto blacks couldn’t be more different. The cultural problem lies with the latter. And yes, it is a cultural problem.

-Wealthy black dude

I’m not trying to assign more work to the Black folks here but I will say that it is really hard as a white person to speak on some of these issues. For instance, my PTA had a meeting about the SRO program. I generally support the program, but I’m white—so who am I really to say that it doesn’t have a negative impact on kids of color? I understand nothing is simple when it comes to law enforcement for Black folks in this country and I don’t want to put more burden on you — but I do want to hear more from the communities of color about what sort of law enforcement they would like to see, particularly because they are the most likely to be the victims of crime.

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Latest data on carjackings from Wheaton is that there have been 12 in the area since Dec: https://moco360.media/2023/03/17/12-carjackings-and-a-shooting-at-wheaton-mall-have-residents-fearful/

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An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.

The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.

No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.

That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.

How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.

No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.

These kids are NOT carjacking "because they are poor."

They are also NOT carjacking due to the absence of an abusive father!

They are carjacking because their culture accepts and glorifies it. If we’re being real.

This.

I’m an AA with hundreds of AA friends and acquaintances in this area. WE DO NOT promote or encourage carjackings OR any other type of crimes. You are beyond ridiculous for saying that carjacking is cultural.

I’m an AA as well. It’s not inherently part of black culture, but it’s inherently part of hood / rap culture these days, just like “having oops” (enemies from a rival neighborhood) is. You can pretend that these things don’t exist because they are upsetting to you, but that doesn’t solve the problem.

*opps

PP, here. Thanks for confirming that the AA culture is NOT monolithic. I’ve never even heard of “opps” and I have AA teenagers.

Obviously. UMC suburban black folk and urban ghetto blacks couldn’t be more different. The cultural problem lies with the latter. And yes, it is a cultural problem.

-Wealthy black dude

I’m not trying to assign more work to the Black folks here but I will say that it is really hard as a white person to speak on some of these issues. For instance, my PTA had a meeting about the SRO program. I generally support the program, but I’m white—so who am I really to say that it doesn’t have a negative impact on kids of color? I understand nothing is simple when it comes to law enforcement for Black folks in this country and I don’t want to put more burden on you — but I do want to hear more from the communities of color about what sort of law enforcement they would like to see, particularly because they are the most likely to be the victims of crime.

Why overthink this? You are allowed to want your child (and all children) to be safe in school. You don’t have to go to social media to get the blessing for this. Ask the actual black moms in your school - they almost certainly want the SRO to stay.

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An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.

The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.

No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.

That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.

How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.

No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.

These kids are NOT carjacking "because they are poor."

They are also NOT carjacking due to the absence of an abusive father!

They are carjacking because their culture accepts and glorifies it. If we’re being real.

This.

I’m an AA with hundreds of AA friends and acquaintances in this area. WE DO NOT promote or encourage carjackings OR any other type of crimes. You are beyond ridiculous for saying that carjacking is cultural.

I’m an AA as well. It’s not inherently part of black culture, but it’s inherently part of hood / rap culture these days, just like “having oops” (enemies from a rival neighborhood) is. You can pretend that these things don’t exist because they are upsetting to you, but that doesn’t solve the problem.

*opps

PP, here. Thanks for confirming that the AA culture is NOT monolithic. I’ve never even heard of “opps” and I have AA teenagers.

Obviously. UMC suburban black folk and urban ghetto blacks couldn’t be more different. The cultural problem lies with the latter. And yes, it is a cultural problem.

-Wealthy black dude

I’m not trying to assign more work to the Black folks here but I will say that it is really hard as a white person to speak on some of these issues. For instance, my PTA had a meeting about the SRO program. I generally support the program, but I’m white—so who am I really to say that it doesn’t have a negative impact on kids of color? I understand nothing is simple when it comes to law enforcement for Black folks in this country and I don’t want to put more burden on you — but I do want to hear more from the communities of color about what sort of law enforcement they would like to see, particularly because they are the most likely to be the victims of crime.

Dre’s mom has been vocal about putting SROs back in schools. Her son was shot and almost died at Magruder. Nobody is centering her voice though.

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An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.

The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.

No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.

That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.

How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.

No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.

These kids are NOT carjacking "because they are poor."

They are also NOT carjacking due to the absence of an abusive father!

They are carjacking because their culture accepts and glorifies it. If we’re being real.

This.

I’m an AA with hundreds of AA friends and acquaintances in this area. WE DO NOT promote or encourage carjackings OR any other type of crimes. You are beyond ridiculous for saying that carjacking is cultural.

I’m an AA as well. It’s not inherently part of black culture, but it’s inherently part of hood / rap culture these days, just like “having oops” (enemies from a rival neighborhood) is. You can pretend that these things don’t exist because they are upsetting to you, but that doesn’t solve the problem.

*opps

PP, here. Thanks for confirming that the AA culture is NOT monolithic. I’ve never even heard of “opps” and I have AA teenagers.

Obviously. UMC suburban black folk and urban ghetto blacks couldn’t be more different. The cultural problem lies with the latter. And yes, it is a cultural problem.

-Wealthy black dude

I’m not trying to assign more work to the Black folks here but I will say that it is really hard as a white person to speak on some of these issues. For instance, my PTA had a meeting about the SRO program. I generally support the program, but I’m white—so who am I really to say that it doesn’t have a negative impact on kids of color? I understand nothing is simple when it comes to law enforcement for Black folks in this country and I don’t want to put more burden on you — but I do want to hear more from the communities of color about what sort of law enforcement they would like to see, particularly because they are the most likely to be the victims of crime.

You should Venmo them for their emotional labor.

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Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/cordelltraffic/status/1628206904118837253?s=21&t=n0qeGoOuMm03Lc43eqHwSw

An elderly man was car jacked in Bethesda.

The politicians in charge, including at the state level, view the people who commit crimes as the real victims. And the politicians have adjusted laws/practices accordingly. Same thing in DC, so we get bleed-over, as well. This is the new normal.

I say this as a liberal who understands that historically, our multiple criminal justice systems have been too brutal. But the policy makers have gone in the completely opposite direction. Instead, they should match rational punishments to the crime. Clear, known consequences, swiftly imposed. People will reoffend when they see there are no consequences to their actions.

No one has any idea what might work to either rehabilitate or deter offenders. There are only two practical choices in the US at the moment: incapacitate offenders via mass incarceration, or accept a higher level of crime than anyone wants with the attendant consequences on victims and social order. That’s it: everything else is just wishful thinking by those who want to avoid acknowledging this harsh truth.

That's not true. There are decades of research showing what does and what does not work. Evidence-based policing, prosecution, and violence prevention practices all get lost in the political posturing and self-promoting chatter.

How about looking at root causes?
Fatherless homes, for one.

No, because abusive or addicted fathers in the homes are even worse. It's not the absence of a father but rather the absence of sufficient income.

These kids are NOT carjacking "because they are poor."

They are also NOT carjacking due to the absence of an abusive father!

They are carjacking because their culture accepts and glorifies it. If we’re being real.

This.

I’m an AA with hundreds of AA friends and acquaintances in this area. WE DO NOT promote or encourage carjackings OR any other type of crimes. You are beyond ridiculous for saying that carjacking is cultural.

I’m an AA as well. It’s not inherently part of black culture, but it’s inherently part of hood / rap culture these days, just like “having oops” (enemies from a rival neighborhood) is. You can pretend that these things don’t exist because they are upsetting to you, but that doesn’t solve the problem.

*opps

PP, here. Thanks for confirming that the AA culture is NOT monolithic. I’ve never even heard of “opps” and I have AA teenagers.

Obviously. UMC suburban black folk and urban ghetto blacks couldn’t be more different. The cultural problem lies with the latter. And yes, it is a cultural problem.

-Wealthy black dude

I’m not trying to assign more work to the Black folks here but I will say that it is really hard as a white person to speak on some of these issues. For instance, my PTA had a meeting about the SRO program. I generally support the program, but I’m white—so who am I really to say that it doesn’t have a negative impact on kids of color? I understand nothing is simple when it comes to law enforcement for Black folks in this country and I don’t want to put more burden on you — but I do want to hear more from the communities of color about what sort of law enforcement they would like to see, particularly because they are the most likely to be the victims of crime.

Dre’s mom has been vocal about putting SROs back in schools. Her son was shot and almost died at Magruder. Nobody is centering her voice though.

Indeed and she's suing the school over it too.

The idea that black parents don't want SROs in school is dead wrong, especially since parents in PG, which is a majority black county, feel the same way: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/education/pgcps-school-board-vote-school-resource-officers/65-551556ee-53c7-4288-acff-255dc8b01b58