is joel osteen a false preacher?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all preachers?

You think all preachers and pastors are false? Really? Why?

Why? You are kidding right. Today alone 6 pastors accross the US arrested for child abuse, rape, child porn, grooming, etc... Yes every day check the news.

The catholic church just had another priest arrested in SC for child abuse.

Wake up already this is not hard at this point.

Often pastors and preachers are good people who spend a lot of time helping others - whether religion related or not. However, because they are by definition tied to religion, they are also associated with encouraging people to believe religious teachings.

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Do you comprehend the slightest thing about Christianity? “Helping others” is an external expression of interior belief. If that behavior “encourages people to believe religious teaching,” that would be both natural and a result of positive role modeling. You encourage people to believe what you do or you wouldn’t be posting here.

Most people posting here are anonymous and don't pretend to be pastors and preachers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jesus would be flipping that money changers table so hard…

Lots of people judging Osteen on this thread.

It’s weird because on the other thread it’s repeatedly posted that “judging is wrong” and “we simply don’t judge” and “only God can judge.”

Which one is it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus would be flipping that money changers table so hard…

Lots of people judging Osteen on this thread.

It’s weird because on the other thread it’s repeatedly posted that “judging is wrong” and “we simply don’t judge” and “only God can judge.”

Which one is it?

There's a reason there's "devil" in "devils advocate." Hello again. This thread revival is the antithesis of a revival indeed

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No where in this passage does Jesus say wealth is bad. He doesn’t rebuke the rich young ruler for being rich. Rather, for placing his identity in his wealth.

It’s not a sin to be rich. Jesus never said that. All rich people aren’t bad and all poor people aren’t good.

Yes what Jesus says is if you want to get to the kingdom of heaven you must give up your worldly belongings. He didn’t say don’t identify with your wealth. He said give it way. If you don’t and you die rich it’s hard for you to get into heaven. He couldn’t be clearer.

Why do you think the rich young man went away sad? Because he didn’t want to give up his wealth as Jesus told him to.

NP. The rich young ruler didn't obey Jesus, because he loved his money more than Jesus. Money was his idol. That's really the point of that scripture. The passage is about putting God first and being obedient to God; it does NOT say that God requires everyone to be poor. According to the Bible, taking a vow of poverty or giving up your worldly possessions doesn't guarantee heaven or salvation. That alone is accomplished by Grace through faith in Christ. That said, I'm not an Osteen fan because the focus of his teaching is primarily wealth and prosperity, not about the Christ of the gospels.

Jesus explicitly says if you want to enter heaven, give up your wealth. That pretty much guarantees that people who keep their wealth are not being offered entrance.

Being a true follower of Christ entails sacrifice that most people are unwilling to make. I include myself among that, so not pointing fingers. I’ve met very few people I thought were truly living by the gospels. It’s too hard for most.

You're missing the point. Jesus didn't tell everyone they have to give up their wealth to gain eternal life. Go back and read the whole passage in context, starting at Matthew 19:16. Jesus is focused on complete obedience to God's commandments, which is impossible for absolutely everyone. Jesus tells the rich young ruler to give up his wealth, because he has put his wealth before God, which is breaking the first Commandment. Then he goes on to say that it is harder for a rich man to go to heaven than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, but that through God all things are possible. It is made possible for a rich man to go to heaven because of what Christ accomplishes on the cross, not because anyone can perfectly keep God's commandments or save themselves. There is nothing for you to do to gain eternal life; Christ already did it. That is the point of the gospels.

Sorry. I interpret it differently than you.

How so? Please provide your exegesis.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus would be flipping that money changers table so hard…

Lots of people judging Osteen on this thread.

It’s weird because on the other thread it’s repeatedly posted that “judging is wrong” and “we simply don’t judge” and “only God can judge.”

Which one is it?

God can decide who is going to hell, I'm gonna call out a huckster who is taking advantage of people when I see it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus would be flipping that money changers table so hard…

Lots of people judging Osteen on this thread.

It’s weird because on the other thread it’s repeatedly posted that “judging is wrong” and “we simply don’t judge” and “only God can judge.”

Which one is it?

God can decide who is going to hell, I'm gonna call out a huckster who is taking advantage of people when I see it.

This. God decides heaven and hell. We decide good and bad on earth

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus would be flipping that money changers table so hard…

Lots of people judging Osteen on this thread.

It’s weird because on the other thread it’s repeatedly posted that “judging is wrong” and “we simply don’t judge” and “only God can judge.”

Which one is it?

Saying it's wrong is not judging. Saying he is going to he!! is judging.

[Anonymous]

Is teen takes a salary of $54,000,000 a YEAR

Enough said that alone means he’s a false prophet grifter shit

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus would be flipping that money changers table so hard…

Lots of people judging Osteen on this thread.

It’s weird because on the other thread it’s repeatedly posted that “judging is wrong” and “we simply don’t judge” and “only God can judge.”

Which one is it?

Saying it's wrong is not judging. Saying he is going to he!! is judging.

+1

Also, there's no way of knowing if he's going to hell. Maybe he'll repent just before dying, or maybe there is no hell. It's a belief; not a fact.

[Anonymous]

Joel “ If Jesus wanted me to share my wealth he would not have let me accumulate $40 million “ yes he said this

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is teen takes a salary of $54,000,000 a YEAR

Enough said that alone means he’s a false prophet grifter shit

This is not accurate. As detailed and discussed at length upthread, the church does not pay him. He makes money from books and other ventures.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is teen takes a salary of $54,000,000 a YEAR

Enough said that alone means he’s a false prophet grifter shit

This is not accurate. As detailed and discussed at length upthread, the church does not pay him. He makes money from books and other ventures.

As many comments in this forum illustrate:

posters post untrue information in this forum daily. They pretend it’s a fact, and do so repeatedly.

If you want answers about religion, religious history, religious practices: google it and read from a legit source. Talk to a pastor or priest. Do not believe the random and anon posters here about anything.

This forum is good for trolls making up stories and scenarios in which Christianity or Christians are rude and mean to them, or how a church (usually Catholic) ruined their lives. A favorite tale of their childhood, in which a family member told them they were “going to burn in hell.” They never have a reply to why their mom and dad didn’t tell the aunt/uncle/cousin to be quiet and not say such unkind, unpleasant, and hateful things to their child. And then apologized for allowing someone to inappropriately speak to their kid in that manner.

We have alot of posters who are grown adults and allow “friends” and supposed family treat them like crap in the name of Christianity and instead of confronting these people and telling them they don’t want to hear it or going low or no contact with them, they write post after post asking how they should react. Trolls.

This is a troll filled forum.

I read with sadness that the moderator’s brother unfortunately passed away recently, and his obituary was linked. He was a kind and caring man who also went on missions and helped people. I recalled the many hate filled posts here attacking missionaries, and hoped the moderator has never read them. They same people who call out the unkindness of Christianity each day here do not present themselves as a loving alternative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is teen takes a salary of $54,000,000 a YEAR

Enough said that alone means he’s a false prophet grifter shit

This is not accurate. As detailed and discussed at length upthread, the church does not pay him. He makes money from books and other ventures.

As many comments in this forum illustrate:

posters post untrue information in this forum daily. They pretend it’s a fact, and do so repeatedly.

If you want answers about religion, religious history, religious practices: google it and read from a legit source. Talk to a pastor or priest. Do not believe the random and anon posters here about anything.

This forum is good for trolls making up stories and scenarios in which Christianity or Christians are rude and mean to them, or how a church (usually Catholic) ruined their lives. A favorite tale of their childhood, in which a family member told them they were “going to burn in hell.” They never have a reply to why their mom and dad didn’t tell the aunt/uncle/cousin to be quiet and not say such unkind, unpleasant, and hateful things to their child. And then apologized for allowing someone to inappropriately speak to their kid in that manner.

We have alot of posters who are grown adults and allow “friends” and supposed family treat them like crap in the name of Christianity and instead of confronting these people and telling them they don’t want to hear it or going low or no contact with them, they write post after post asking how they should react. Trolls.

This is a troll filled forum.

I read with sadness that the moderator’s brother unfortunately passed away recently, and his obituary was linked. He was a kind and caring man who also went on missions and helped people. I recalled the many hate filled posts here attacking missionaries, and hoped the moderator has never read them. They same people who call out the unkindness of Christianity each day here do not present themselves as a loving alternative.

“Do not believe the random and anon posters here about anything. “. Yeah particularly the one above.

Stop trying to exploit someone else’s tragedy and present your case in this purposefully open forum . Deal with the fact that others disagree and often point out that you lack evidence to support your claims. That’s how this works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is teen takes a salary of $54,000,000 a YEAR

Enough said that alone means he’s a false prophet grifter shit

This is not accurate. As detailed and discussed at length upthread, the church does not pay him. He makes money from books and other ventures.

As many comments in this forum illustrate:

posters post untrue information in this forum daily. They pretend it’s a fact, and do so repeatedly.

If you want answers about religion, religious history, religious practices: google it and read from a legit source. Talk to a pastor or priest. Do not believe the random and anon posters here about anything.

This forum is good for trolls making up stories and scenarios in which Christianity or Christians are rude and mean to them, or how a church (usually Catholic) ruined their lives. A favorite tale of their childhood, in which a family member told them they were “going to burn in hell.” They never have a reply to why their mom and dad didn’t tell the aunt/uncle/cousin to be quiet and not say such unkind, unpleasant, and hateful things to their child. And then apologized for allowing someone to inappropriately speak to their kid in that manner.

We have alot of posters who are grown adults and allow “friends” and supposed family treat them like crap in the name of Christianity and instead of confronting these people and telling them they don’t want to hear it or going low or no contact with them, they write post after post asking how they should react. Trolls.

This is a troll filled forum.

I read with sadness that the moderator’s brother unfortunately passed away recently, and his obituary was linked. He was a kind and caring man who also went on missions and helped people. I recalled the many hate filled posts here attacking missionaries, and hoped the moderator has never read them. They same people who call out the unkindness of Christianity each day here do not present themselves as a loving alternative.

“Do not believe the random and anon posters here about anything. “. Yeah particularly the one above.

Stop trying to exploit someone else’s tragedy and present your case in this purposefully open forum . Deal with the fact that others disagree and often point out that you lack evidence to support your claims. That’s how this works.

What is the last response op made? What page? This is a zombie thread.