VA Tech ED - results

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Anonymous wrote:DS deferred for engineering- completely bummed. Other friends deferred too. Only one friend got in who had lower scores but first time college family. I have a feeling this will be a soft rejection b/c he’s from a high performing school and a lot of higher stats kids will apply EA as a safety. Oh well - bummed for him.

We are in for Engineering !! Whoo Hoo !! DD soooo excited. Chance of a lifetime. What a great day !!

Congratulations!! Our DC is also in but for liberal arts. Best Christmas present ever.

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Anonymous wrote:Numbers don't lie and are a lot more informative than whatever opinions people have on this board:

https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Any explanation why, when adding the sub scores does not equal the state "T"total score? Check out VT stats for SATs -- none of the Totals equals M+V+W (0).

Interesting. It does add up for some--VSU, W&M, VCU just at a glance.

Is there better source data for Va Tech — to figure out which are the right SAT numbers (my kid is right on the edge, so I’m very curious about these numbers).

No. SCHEV is an amazing resource for VA parents - both public and private. No other state has anything similar. Don't listen to the naysayers.

This is great data. But, at least for VA Tech, the SAT scores reported do not equal Verbal + Math. Something does not add up. Literally. That’s why the data is suspect.

It doesn't add up for UVA either.

They won't necessarily add up. It is 3 different measurements: Verbal, math, and overall. If you take the kids that are above the 50th percentile in math, they won't be the same as those above 50th percentile in verbal.

But it seems you’d have to start with the top 50% group of kids — and those kids come with a total SAT score (V + M). I don’t see how you’d get a different grouping of just top 50% V and just top 50% M scores (that results in a total score different from V + M). BTW, I’m not arguing, disagreeing or advocating— but just trying to understand.

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Anonymous wrote:Numbers don't lie and are a lot more informative than whatever opinions people have on this board:

https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Any explanation why, when adding the sub scores does not equal the state "T"total score? Check out VT stats for SATs -- none of the Totals equals M+V+W (0).

Interesting. It does add up for some--VSU, W&M, VCU just at a glance.

Is there better source data for Va Tech — to figure out which are the right SAT numbers (my kid is right on the edge, so I’m very curious about these numbers).

No. SCHEV is an amazing resource for VA parents - both public and private. No other state has anything similar. Don't listen to the naysayers.

This is great data. But, at least for VA Tech, the SAT scores reported do not equal Verbal + Math. Something does not add up. Literally. That’s why the data is suspect.

It doesn't add up for UVA either.

They won't necessarily add up. It is 3 different measurements: Verbal, math, and overall. If you take the kids that are above the 50th percentile in math, they won't be the same as those above 50th percentile in verbal.

But it seems you’d have to start with the top 50% group of kids — and those kids come with a total SAT score (V + M). I don’t see how you’d get a different grouping of just top 50% V and just top 50% M scores (that results in a total score different from V + M). BTW, I’m not arguing, disagreeing or advocating— but just trying to understand.

If they were doing the mean (average), the Verbal average plus the Math average will add up to the overall average. It won't necessarily work out that way for median (equal numbers above and below a score). A kid in the upper half for math could be in the lower half for verbal, and then where they would fall on the overall (above or below) would be based on a new calculation of the combined scores. They are three different calculations with regrouping for each.

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Anonymous wrote: Only one friend got in who had lower scores but first time college family.

I'm sure that's the only reason that friend was accepted.

Increasing first gen students at the school is an institutional priority for VT, so it very well could have tipped the balance here.

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Absolutely. They have a stated goal of 40% URM and first generation.

+1. The President has said this several times. Google it

The same people keep repeating this, ad nauseum. We know. However, you're forgetting about the other 60+% of students who are accepted. Stop making excuses.

No excuses. This is a fact. The president of them only polytechnic university in the state wants 40 percent URM and first generation. The population of the state is not 40 percent URM. That is called social engineering. Many question if that is the proper role of the only public polytechnic. Read Chrinicke if Higher Education before casting aspirations. This is called a newsworthy issue so open to decays. Stop shutting down those who actually know what is going on.

Well on average about 1/3 of US students applying to college are first generation, and about 35% of high school aged students in Virginia are URM, though there are overlap of some of those groups, there are a significant portion of white first generation students -- esp from rural areas, so 40% is less than reality not above it.

I'm not sure Virginia Tech is doing anything different with URM and first years compared to other schools in the state. I think it is just the messaging from the President.

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Anonymous wrote: Only one friend got in who had lower scores but first time college family.

I'm sure that's the only reason that friend was accepted.

Increasing first gen students at the school is an institutional priority for VT, so it very well could have tipped the balance here.

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Absolutely. They have a stated goal of 40% URM and first generation.

+1. The President has said this several times. Google it

The same people keep repeating this, ad nauseum. We know. However, you're forgetting about the other 60+% of students who are accepted. Stop making excuses.

No excuses. This is a fact. The president of them only polytechnic university in the state wants 40 percent URM and first generation. The population of the state is not 40 percent URM. That is called social engineering. Many question if that is the proper role of the only public polytechnic. Read Chrinicke if Higher Education before casting aspirations. This is called a newsworthy issue so open to decays. Stop shutting down those who actually know what is going on.

Well on average about 1/3 of US students applying to college are first generation, and about 35% of high school aged students in Virginia are URM, though there are overlap of some of those groups, there are a significant portion of white first generation students -- esp from rural areas, so 40% is less than reality not above it.

I'm not sure Virginia Tech is doing anything different with URM and first years compared to other schools in the state. I think it is just the messaging from the President.

Exactly this. The only thing that is different is that they chose to be completely transparent about it. Other schools - in VA and nationwide - are absolutely doing the same thing. They just keep it quiet.
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Anonymous wrote:Numbers don't lie and are a lot more informative than whatever opinions people have on this board:

https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Any explanation why, when adding the sub scores does not equal the state "T"total score? Check out VT stats for SATs -- none of the Totals equals M+V+W (0).

Interesting. It does add up for some--VSU, W&M, VCU just at a glance.

Is there better source data for Va Tech — to figure out which are the right SAT numbers (my kid is right on the edge, so I’m very curious about these numbers).

No. SCHEV is an amazing resource for VA parents - both public and private. No other state has anything similar. Don't listen to the naysayers.

This is great data. But, at least for VA Tech, the SAT scores reported do not equal Verbal + Math. Something does not add up. Literally. That’s why the data is suspect.

It doesn't add up for UVA either.

They won't necessarily add up. It is 3 different measurements: Verbal, math, and overall. If you take the kids that are above the 50th percentile in math, they won't be the same as those above 50th percentile in verbal.

But it seems you’d have to start with the top 50% group of kids — and those kids come with a total SAT score (V + M). I don’t see how you’d get a different grouping of just top 50% V and just top 50% M scores (that results in a total score different from V + M). BTW, I’m not arguing, disagreeing or advocating— but just trying to understand.

If they were doing the mean (average), the Verbal average plus the Math average will add up to the overall average. It won't necessarily work out that way for median (equal numbers above and below a score). A kid in the upper half for math could be in the lower half for verbal, and then where they would fall on the overall (above or below) would be based on a new calculation of the combined scores. They are three different calculations with regrouping for each.

thanks for this explanation.

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Can anyone summarize (or point to the data) for ED Admits this year at VT for instate students?

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone summarize (or point to the data) for ED Admits this year at VT for instate students?

^^^^for non-engineering major

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I have not seen that level of detail anywhere yet

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Anonymous wrote:I have not seen that level of detail anywhere yet

I assumed it was buried somewhere in the first 12 pages of this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not seen that level of detail anywhere yet

I assumed it was buried somewhere in the first 12 pages of this thread.

DP. It was posted further back. VT is the only university I've come across that publishes extremely specific stats about applicants by major. They are transparent and I appreciate that.

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Is it easier to ED to Pamplin than the engineering school?

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Anonymous wrote:Is it easier to ED to Pamplin than the engineering school?

Without checking, I’d say of course it is because anything is easier to get into that engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it easier to ED to Pamplin than the engineering school?

Without checking, I’d say of course it is because anything is easier to get into that engineering.

VT's data tool doesn't break out admit rates by ED vs EA vs Regular but overall, Pamplin and Engineering are similar in admit rate -- 55% for engineering, 53% for Business. Narrowing it down to in-state, not URM: Business = 35%, Engineering = 39%.

https://udc.vt.edu/irdata/data/students/admission/index#college

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Anonymous wrote:Is it easier to ED to Pamplin than the engineering school?

Without checking, I’d say of course it is because anything is easier to get into that engineering.

VT's data tool doesn't break out admit rates by ED vs EA vs Regular but overall, Pamplin and Engineering are similar in admit rate -- 55% for engineering, 53% for Business. Narrowing it down to in-state, not URM: Business = 35%, Engineering = 39%.

https://udc.vt.edu/irdata/data/students/admission/index#college

Interesting. I’ve heard so much griping about how hard VT engineering admissions have been — and I’ve never heard Pamplin complaints (my source being mostly DCUM)