Lyon Village - please explain

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Anonymous wrote:LV commands a premium because in this area, you have people who can afford $3M houses but who still need to schlep downtown to work long hours every day. They want an easy commute, safe neighborhood and nice single family houses.

But why dumpy Lyon Village (just being honest) vs something lovely just a little further out? These high earners are no doubt driving to work anyway.

Hence my theory: invasion of the super rich FAANGs.

You don’t need a theory, we are telling you that it’s always been desirable. It seems like you are just learning about LV but it’s been relatively expensive compared to other Arlington neighborhoods for at least 15 years. We don’t think it’s dumpy, we like our neighbors who are of different ages and backgrounds and incomes.

But it hasn’t “always been desireable.” You have a very uninteresting point of view. And it is dumpy compared to other neighborhoods. It’s 1.5 mil max aesthetic. You’ll never convince me it’s $3 mil aesthetic.

If anything this conversation has actually given me an appreciation of historic districts lol.

The only single family neighborhood in Arlington with historic designation is Maywood. Except for some new builds or recently renovated big homes, most houses are considerably less expensive than Lyon Village. If you cannot afford Lyon Village, it might suit you.

Do we know whether Maywood's historic designation means it'll be exempt from Missing Middle housing when the board rams that through?

From the number of pro-missing middle signs in Maywood, there is not a chance that MM can be built in Maywood. Those gray haired, unkempt women know how to protect their investment while virtue signaling like a Saturday night whore.

That's hilarious

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OP here. I just did streetview of Maywood. I take it all back, all of Arlington is dumpy.

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Here's what you get in Scarsdale like a 3 minute walk from Metro North: https://www.redfin.com/NY/Scarsdale/21-Overhill-Rd-10583/home/20059720

SO MUCH PRETTIER.

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Also in Scarsdale: be sure you do street view.

https://www.redfin.com/NY/Scarsdale/11-Axtell-Dr-10583/home/20059105

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damn, you can even get this lovely affordable condo for GS 10/10 schools a few minutes from the Scarsdale Metro North.

https://www.redfin.com/NY/Scarsdale/209-Garth-Rd-10583/unit-5A/home/181636448

I HATE DMV REAL ESTATE.

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You're comparing RE that is 20+ miles from mAnhattan to RE that is 2 miles from DC?

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Anonymous wrote:LV commands a premium because in this area, you have people who can afford $3M houses but who still need to schlep downtown to work long hours every day. They want an easy commute, safe neighborhood and nice single family houses.

But why dumpy Lyon Village (just being honest) vs something lovely just a little further out? These high earners are no doubt driving to work anyway.

Hence my theory: invasion of the super rich FAANGs.

You don’t need a theory, we are telling you that it’s always been desirable. It seems like you are just learning about LV but it’s been relatively expensive compared to other Arlington neighborhoods for at least 15 years. We don’t think it’s dumpy, we like our neighbors who are of different ages and backgrounds and incomes.

But it hasn’t “always been desireable.” You have a very uninteresting point of view. And it is dumpy compared to other neighborhoods. It’s 1.5 mil max aesthetic. You’ll never convince me it’s $3 mil aesthetic.

If anything this conversation has actually given me an appreciation of historic districts lol.

The only single family neighborhood in Arlington with historic designation is Maywood. Except for some new builds or recently renovated big homes, most houses are considerably less expensive than Lyon Village. If you cannot afford Lyon Village, it might suit you.

LV is on the National Historic Register (no restrictions).

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Anonymous wrote:You're comparing RE that is 20+ miles from mAnhattan to RE that is 2 miles from DC?

Yep. In this WFH era.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I just did streetview of Maywood. I take it all back, all of Arlington is dumpy.

NP here. I just did a streetview of every street in Capitol Hill. All of it is dumpy, filthy, crime infested, and full of insufferable people.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a few work colleagues who live in Cap Hill, and they are similar to OP -- always a little too eager to tell about how great it is and dismissive of all other neighborhoods in the DMV. I am not really sure where this type of insecurity of Cap Hill folks comes from.

Again, I did not start this to argue the Hill is superior. I fully understand the variables that would lead to Arlington. It’s just that I specifically wonder about the $1.5 mil premium for Lyon Village. Does not make sense to me when much nicer neighborhoods are available at cheaper/same price.

I've always thought of the "big 3" walkable North Arlington neighborhoods as Lyon Village, Lyon Park, and Ashton Heights and Lyon Village is both a) closer to the commercial strip and the metro and b) zoned for better elementary and middle schools. I don't think LV is anywhere near a $1.5 million premium vs Lyon Park/Ashton Heights but it's definitely the most expensive of the three. I think all three trade at a premium to less walkable neighborhoods but it gets a bit muddled since many of the 22207 homes have larger lots, etc.

I wanted to bring a bit of data to my claim that Lyon Village doesn't command a $1.5 million premium. I used Redfin to look at sales in each of these three neighborhoods over the past three years. Here are the average house size and price for each:

Lyon Village (131 sales): 2,967sf -- $1,575,000 -- $546/sf
Lyon Park (131 sales): 2,448sf -- $1,220,000 -- $490/sf
Ashton Heights (99 sales): 2,124sf -- $1,010,000 - $548/sf

I think another thing to note is that pretty much all of Lyon Village is uniform with larger houses whereas Lyon Park has some smaller houses east of Wash Blvd and Ashton Heights has a bunch of smaller duplexes near Wilson. If you exclude those areas the average price in Lyon Park jumps to $1,325,000 (2,529sf average) and Ashton Heights increases to $1,297,5000 (2,336sf). Lyon Village is still the most expensive but it's like a $250k premium rather than a $1.5m premium.

Why would those neighborhoods have a $1.5m premium? They are very, very similar to LV.

OP has yet to provide a comparable neighborhood that doesn’t have the “$1.5M premium”. The fact is that any other comparable neighborhood will also be $$$.

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Anonymous wrote:You're comparing RE that is 20+ miles from mAnhattan to RE that is 2 miles from DC?

Yep. In this WFH era.

Or if you want even closer to city center/cute urban ... Bala Cynwyd on the Main Line. Here's what you get for 1.4 mil:

https://www.redfin.com/PA/Bala-Cynwyd/115-E-Princeton-Rd-19004/home/38559597

DMV real estate is a hellscape

FML

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Anonymous wrote:I know a few work colleagues who live in Cap Hill, and they are similar to OP -- always a little too eager to tell about how great it is and dismissive of all other neighborhoods in the DMV. I am not really sure where this type of insecurity of Cap Hill folks comes from.

Again, I did not start this to argue the Hill is superior. I fully understand the variables that would lead to Arlington. It’s just that I specifically wonder about the $1.5 mil premium for Lyon Village. Does not make sense to me when much nicer neighborhoods are available at cheaper/same price.

I've always thought of the "big 3" walkable North Arlington neighborhoods as Lyon Village, Lyon Park, and Ashton Heights and Lyon Village is both a) closer to the commercial strip and the metro and b) zoned for better elementary and middle schools. I don't think LV is anywhere near a $1.5 million premium vs Lyon Park/Ashton Heights but it's definitely the most expensive of the three. I think all three trade at a premium to less walkable neighborhoods but it gets a bit muddled since many of the 22207 homes have larger lots, etc.

I wanted to bring a bit of data to my claim that Lyon Village doesn't command a $1.5 million premium. I used Redfin to look at sales in each of these three neighborhoods over the past three years. Here are the average house size and price for each:

Lyon Village (131 sales): 2,967sf -- $1,575,000 -- $546/sf
Lyon Park (131 sales): 2,448sf -- $1,220,000 -- $490/sf
Ashton Heights (99 sales): 2,124sf -- $1,010,000 - $548/sf

I think another thing to note is that pretty much all of Lyon Village is uniform with larger houses whereas Lyon Park has some smaller houses east of Wash Blvd and Ashton Heights has a bunch of smaller duplexes near Wilson. If you exclude those areas the average price in Lyon Park jumps to $1,325,000 (2,529sf average) and Ashton Heights increases to $1,297,5000 (2,336sf). Lyon Village is still the most expensive but it's like a $250k premium rather than a $1.5m premium.

Why would those neighborhoods have a $1.5m premium? They are very, very similar to LV.

OP has yet to provide a comparable neighborhood that doesn’t have the “$1.5M premium”. The fact is that any other comparable neighborhood will also be $$$.

No, my point is that the comparable neighborhoods are much nicer. Not dumpy and gross like LV.

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Anonymous wrote:Capitol Hill tends to attract younger families with younger children who are transitioning from urban to suburban living. When the kids get older, the families start getting more Karen-esqe and become overly paranoid about crime and obsessive about the test scores and demographic make up of the local schools. And, yes, they won’t say it but they think it: too many black people.

Lyon Village affords an escape from all of this. To the poster who says that there are plenty of black people In Arlington, that’s really not true and certainly not true in Lyon Village. It’s white and sterile AF and that’s the demographic it attracts. There’s nothing urban about it.

When we became empty nesters about a decade ago, we were living in North Arlington by the McLean border. We really wanted a more lively, walkable, and truly urban experience. We looked closely in Lyon Village because we were very comfortable with Arlington and it seemed like a safe next step. But when we looked more closely we realized it was basically the same people and way of thing as where we were already living - just packed much more closely together. There’s nothing more interesting about it in terms of people than 22207 except it has bars for the white frat bros. We decided it wasn’t what we wanted and focused on DC.

There’s little question that Arlington’s public services are better than DC’s. But we have had very little need for DC services other than trash pick up and the DMV and they both measure up just fine to Arlington in our experience.

You don’t really notice just how white that part of Arlington is when you’re living there. Once you leave it’s readily apparent. We wouldn’t say we regret raising our family there exactly - we and our kids have very fond memories - but were we starting in 2022 we’d do things differently.

Wait so you lived in the most isolated part of N Arlington and are now accusing others of moving to Arlington to avoid black people. Pot meet kettle.

And of course you don't use city services, you are an empty nester!! We use Arlington services for our kids all the time.

And re: the accusation of racism: We know people who were planning to send their kids to an incredibly diverse DC public school. They finally left because of gun violence on their street- multiple instances of gun violence, one which ended in a death. There are people who are happy to send their kids to diverse public schools but will not tolerate violent crime. That’s not racism.

As I said, the parents get older and their kids get older, and the paranoia about crime sets in. Yes, crime is worse in DC. Far worse. And something really needs to be done. But your kids are not going to get murdered. Really. They’re not.

That’s pretty easy for you to say because you never had to worry about it. Crouching down during a drive-by and worrying about stray bullets isn’t paranoia. Just stop.

I've lived in DC for 22 years now. Before and after having kids. I have a twelve year old, so this kid thing is not new for me. I've never, ever crouched down to avoid a stray bullet. Never been held up at gunpoint in DC. Never seen someone use drugs other than marijuana in my neighborhood. Never had cash taken from my hotel room or my purse. Never had credit card fraud perpetrated. I've had all of these things happen in other places. Nicaragua, Baltimore, Rockville, Mexico City. I don't hide away, but I haven't had a problem with crime here. I think more people have exaggerated fears about crime in DC then have actual experiences with crime there. And, having lived in North Arlington, the old people and the nervous people spend a lot more time talking about how crime-ridden and scary and awful DC is than they do exploring DC. So they aren't really the most educated judges of DC.

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Anonymous wrote:Capitol Hill tends to attract younger families with younger children who are transitioning from urban to suburban living. When the kids get older, the families start getting more Karen-esqe and become overly paranoid about crime and obsessive about the test scores and demographic make up of the local schools. And, yes, they won’t say it but they think it: too many black people.

Lyon Village affords an escape from all of this. To the poster who says that there are plenty of black people In Arlington, that’s really not true and certainly not true in Lyon Village. It’s white and sterile AF and that’s the demographic it attracts. There’s nothing urban about it.

When we became empty nesters about a decade ago, we were living in North Arlington by the McLean border. We really wanted a more lively, walkable, and truly urban experience. We looked closely in Lyon Village because we were very comfortable with Arlington and it seemed like a safe next step. But when we looked more closely we realized it was basically the same people and way of thing as where we were already living - just packed much more closely together. There’s nothing more interesting about it in terms of people than 22207 except it has bars for the white frat bros. We decided it wasn’t what we wanted and focused on DC.

There’s little question that Arlington’s public services are better than DC’s. But we have had very little need for DC services other than trash pick up and the DMV and they both measure up just fine to Arlington in our experience.

You don’t really notice just how white that part of Arlington is when you’re living there. Once you leave it’s readily apparent. We wouldn’t say we regret raising our family there exactly - we and our kids have very fond memories - but were we starting in 2022 we’d do things differently.

Wait so you lived in the most isolated part of N Arlington and are now accusing others of moving to Arlington to avoid black people. Pot meet kettle.

And of course you don't use city services, you are an empty nester!! We use Arlington services for our kids all the time.

And re: the accusation of racism: We know people who were planning to send their kids to an incredibly diverse DC public school. They finally left because of gun violence on their street- multiple instances of gun violence, one which ended in a death. There are people who are happy to send their kids to diverse public schools but will not tolerate violent crime. That’s not racism.

As I said, the parents get older and their kids get older, and the paranoia about crime sets in. Yes, crime is worse in DC. Far worse. And something really needs to be done. But your kids are not going to get murdered. Really. They’re not.

That’s pretty easy for you to say because you never had to worry about it. Crouching down during a drive-by and worrying about stray bullets isn’t paranoia. Just stop.

I've lived in DC for 22 years now. Before and after having kids. I have a twelve year old, so this kid thing is not new for me. I've never, ever crouched down to avoid a stray bullet. Never been held up at gunpoint in DC. Never seen someone use drugs other than marijuana in my neighborhood. Never had cash taken from my hotel room or my purse. Never had credit card fraud perpetrated. I've had all of these things happen in other places. Nicaragua, Baltimore, Rockville, Mexico City. I don't hide away, but I haven't had a problem with crime here. I think more people have exaggerated fears about crime in DC then have actual experiences with crime there. And, having lived in North Arlington, the old people and the nervous people spend a lot more time talking about how crime-ridden and scary and awful DC is than they do exploring DC. So they aren't really the most educated judges of DC.

Truth. I would stay in DC forever but for the school situation.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Capitol Hill tends to attract younger families with younger children who are transitioning from urban to suburban living. When the kids get older, the families start getting more Karen-esqe and become overly paranoid about crime and obsessive about the test scores and demographic make up of the local schools. And, yes, they won’t say it but they think it: too many black people.

Lyon Village affords an escape from all of this. To the poster who says that there are plenty of black people In Arlington, that’s really not true and certainly not true in Lyon Village. It’s white and sterile AF and that’s the demographic it attracts. There’s nothing urban about it.

When we became empty nesters about a decade ago, we were living in North Arlington by the McLean border. We really wanted a more lively, walkable, and truly urban experience. We looked closely in Lyon Village because we were very comfortable with Arlington and it seemed like a safe next step. But when we looked more closely we realized it was basically the same people and way of thing as where we were already living - just packed much more closely together. There’s nothing more interesting about it in terms of people than 22207 except it has bars for the white frat bros. We decided it wasn’t what we wanted and focused on DC.

There’s little question that Arlington’s public services are better than DC’s. But we have had very little need for DC services other than trash pick up and the DMV and they both measure up just fine to Arlington in our experience.

You don’t really notice just how white that part of Arlington is when you’re living there. Once you leave it’s readily apparent. We wouldn’t say we regret raising our family there exactly - we and our kids have very fond memories - but were we starting in 2022 we’d do things differently.

Wait so you lived in the most isolated part of N Arlington and are now accusing others of moving to Arlington to avoid black people. Pot meet kettle.

And of course you don't use city services, you are an empty nester!! We use Arlington services for our kids all the time.

And re: the accusation of racism: We know people who were planning to send their kids to an incredibly diverse DC public school. They finally left because of gun violence on their street- multiple instances of gun violence, one which ended in a death. There are people who are happy to send their kids to diverse public schools but will not tolerate violent crime. That’s not racism.

As I said, the parents get older and their kids get older, and the paranoia about crime sets in. Yes, crime is worse in DC. Far worse. And something really needs to be done. But your kids are not going to get murdered. Really. They’re not.

That’s pretty easy for you to say because you never had to worry about it. Crouching down during a drive-by and worrying about stray bullets isn’t paranoia. Just stop.

I've lived in DC for 22 years now. Before and after having kids. I have a twelve year old, so this kid thing is not new for me. I've never, ever crouched down to avoid a stray bullet. Never been held up at gunpoint in DC. Never seen someone use drugs other than marijuana in my neighborhood. Never had cash taken from my hotel room or my purse. Never had credit card fraud perpetrated. I've had all of these things happen in other places. Nicaragua, Baltimore, Rockville, Mexico City. I don't hide away, but I haven't had a problem with crime here. I think more people have exaggerated fears about crime in DC then have actual experiences with crime there. And, having lived in North Arlington, the old people and the nervous people spend a lot more time talking about how crime-ridden and scary and awful DC is than they do exploring DC. So they aren't really the most educated judges of DC.

Great but this DID happen to a family I know, as well as multiple other instances of gun violence on their street. So they moved. I don’t think they are paranoid, I think they had a close call and were fed up. It’s not reasonable to discount their experience when as you say, you have never lived it.