Belief in God in U.S. Dips to 81%, a New Low

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. However, calling people ignorant or rude names and disparaging their intelligence for believing in God is wrong and intolerant.

How have Christians “shoved” their belief down your throat, pp? You never answered that question.

I would advise people to ignore the fairytale poster/s. They definitely are obsessed with religion (they post the same stuff constantly here) and don’t have a life outside of raging against religion.

The topic of this thread is the percentage of adults in America who believe in God has fallen to 81%. Ok, that’s what it is. I can say as a Christian that it could be 1%, and my faith in God will never shake or stop. Each person has their own opinion that is valid for them about many things in life, not just religion or God. I don’t see changing someone’s mind about those things and won’t have mine changed. And I won’t spend my life trying to change someone’s opinion or calling their opinions or beliefs wrong.

Christians clearly just shoved their beliefs down our throats through the work of the 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court. Please tell me you’re not that stupid. They just shoved their beliefs really quickly down our throats and want to keep doing so. They are erasing the state and church separation. Whether it’s paying for religious schools with tax payer money, this upcoming coach praying case or the most egregious example their Christian based ruling in Roe. It’s all Christianity. You know it. I know. Anyone who isn’t a complete fling dunce knows it.

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These religious extremists are infringing on *my* freedom of religion.

Americans aren’t guaranteed freedom from religion. No one can make you practice religion, but also, they are guaranteed their right to practice religion. You might hear or see other Americans practicing their religion, and you have no right to be offended or try to stop them .

DP here. Who is trying to do that? I will tell you who. No one. Anywhere. Ever.

However, you don't need to look further than a daily news site to see the opposite happening.

And BTW, you are 100% wrong about your first statement. American are guaranteed freedom from having to participate in religion.

Other Americans practicing their religion and you hearing or seeing it isn’t religion being forced upon you.

Correct, and no one said it is. As in the first sentence of the post you replied to but apparently didn't bother to read. That's you making up stuff. You're not being oppressed.

NP. This is getting really lame because you bring it up everywhere, and it almost never works in the context, like here. So it just looks like the writer is stupid. That is all.

NP, really? sounds a lot like the poster who assumes everyone is tuned in to the religion forum all the time.

Some of you atheists are tuned in here all the time. Especially the Catholic hater—I’m not Catholic, but even I recognize her.

So you must be here quite a lot yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. However, calling people ignorant or rude names and disparaging their intelligence for believing in God is wrong and intolerant.

How have Christians “shoved” their belief down your throat, pp? You never answered that question.

I would advise people to ignore the fairytale poster/s. They definitely are obsessed with religion (they post the same stuff constantly here) and don’t have a life outside of raging against religion.

The topic of this thread is the percentage of adults in America who believe in God has fallen to 81%. Ok, that’s what it is. I can say as a Christian that it could be 1%, and my faith in God will never shake or stop. Each person has their own opinion that is valid for them about many things in life, not just religion or God. I don’t see changing someone’s mind about those things and won’t have mine changed. And I won’t spend my life trying to change someone’s opinion or calling their opinions or beliefs wrong.

Christians clearly just shoved their beliefs down our throats through the work of the 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court. Please tell me you’re not that stupid. They just shoved their beliefs really quickly down our throats and want to keep doing so. They are erasing the state and church separation. Whether it’s paying for religious schools with tax payer money, this upcoming coach praying case or the most egregious example their Christian based ruling in Roe. It’s all Christianity. You know it. I know. Anyone who isn’t a complete fling dunce knows it.

+1

These religious extremists are infringing on *my* freedom of religion.

Americans aren’t guaranteed freedom from religion. No one can make you practice religion, but also, they are guaranteed their right to practice religion. You might hear or see other Americans practicing their religion, and you have no right to be offended or try to stop them .

DP here. Who is trying to do that? I will tell you who. No one. Anywhere. Ever.

However, you don't need to look further than a daily news site to see the opposite happening.

And BTW, you are 100% wrong about your first statement. American are guaranteed freedom from having to participate in religion.

Other Americans practicing their religion and you hearing or seeing it isn’t religion being forced upon you.

Correct, and no one said it is. As in the first sentence of the post you replied to but apparently didn't bother to read. That's you making up stuff. You're not being oppressed.

NP. This is getting really lame because you bring it up everywhere, and it almost never works in the context, like here. So it just looks like the writer is stupid. That is all.

NP, really? sounds a lot like the poster who assumes everyone is tuned in to the religion forum all the time.

Some of you atheists are tuned in here all the time. Especially the Catholic hater—I’m not Catholic, but even I recognize her.

We have to be here all the time to point out that everything you believe is completely without an iota of evidence and is likely false.

Sorry, usually I have more tolerance, but as we creep toward a fascist theocracy and I watch religion erode the very foundation of personal freedoms that made this country great and unique I cannot bear any more of it. The only hope I have is that this is the last gasp of the theocrats, like that final scene where Jason jumps out of the lake for one more dying stab at the good guys.

1. Who is “we?” Who are you speaking for?

2. You really don’t have to be here all the time to tell people they are worshiping wrong. You have no right to tell people they are wrong about their religion.

I didn’t say they were wrong. I said there was zero evidence for it and it was likely false. Please quote me properly and don’t twist my words or my meaning. If you don’t understand the difference it’s because you don’t want to. If you do have evidence present it and we can discuss it. See how that works?

Again, there are no scientific experiments, scientific tools, scientific tests, scientific measures or scales, that can prove God exists or prove God doesn’t exist. Exactly what kind of “evidence” are you looking for? Why do you think you can demand “evidence” for millions of people to be “validated” in their right to have their own religious belief system?

And who are you speaking for? You said “we?” Who is “we?”

Science doesn’t have the processes to prove or disprove the existence of God. Science studies and attempts to explain only the natural world while God, in most religions, is supernatural.

Science and religion draw on different aspects of human experience. In science, explanations are based on evidence drawn from observing the natural world and conducting experiments. Because these explanations are based on evidence, they can be checked independently by others.

Scientific questions (aka hypotheses) are framed in ways so that they can be confirmed or disproved by evidence. If the evidence shows that the hypothesis is wrong, the hypothesis must be reframed and tested again or rejected.

Religious beliefs don’t depend only on empirical evidence. They can also be based on faith and typically involve supernatural forces or entities.

So they are different ways of understanding the world?
Yes, and they focus on different kinds of questions. For example, science is a powerful tool for understanding and explaining the mechanisms and dynamics of the physical universe. But science can’t examine or explain the purpose of the universe. That’s a question that falls under theology or philosophy.

Pitting science and religion against each other makes both less able to contribute to a more meaningful experience of the world.

https://thesciencebehindit.org/does-science-disprove-the-existence-of-god/

The "we" was in response to the post I was responding to, which you clearly did not read.

None of your rhetoric is substantive, and there remains zero reliable evidence for what you believe, and why I think it is likely false. There is absolutely no evidence of the supernatural. I am not even sure what that is. Unless you can present some...

And I did not use the word "science", I used the word, "evidence". Can you present any evidence? No?

Then I see no reason to believe what you believe, and reiterate it is likely false.

Ok, we don’t care about your opinion. And when I say we, I speak for every person in existence that has a religious belief system and believes in a higher power.

You are welcome to have your own beliefs. We are welcome to have ours. Fin.

Except I don’t have beliefs for which there is no evidence and you do.

Also, I do not attempt to regulate and control you and your body over my evidence-free beliefs.

Big differences. Not equivalent.

But yes, you are welcome to believe what you wish.

Excellent points -- thanks

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. However, calling people ignorant or rude names and disparaging their intelligence for believing in God is wrong and intolerant.

How have Christians “shoved” their belief down your throat, pp? You never answered that question.

I would advise people to ignore the fairytale poster/s. They definitely are obsessed with religion (they post the same stuff constantly here) and don’t have a life outside of raging against religion.

The topic of this thread is the percentage of adults in America who believe in God has fallen to 81%. Ok, that’s what it is. I can say as a Christian that it could be 1%, and my faith in God will never shake or stop. Each person has their own opinion that is valid for them about many things in life, not just religion or God. I don’t see changing someone’s mind about those things and won’t have mine changed. And I won’t spend my life trying to change someone’s opinion or calling their opinions or beliefs wrong.

Christians clearly just shoved their beliefs down our throats through the work of the 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court. Please tell me you’re not that stupid. They just shoved their beliefs really quickly down our throats and want to keep doing so. They are erasing the state and church separation. Whether it’s paying for religious schools with tax payer money, this upcoming coach praying case or the most egregious example their Christian based ruling in Roe. It’s all Christianity. You know it. I know. Anyone who isn’t a complete fling dunce knows it.

+1

These religious extremists are infringing on *my* freedom of religion.

Americans aren’t guaranteed freedom from religion. No one can make you practice religion, but also, they are guaranteed their right to practice religion. You might hear or see other Americans practicing their religion, and you have no right to be offended or try to stop them .

DP here. Who is trying to do that? I will tell you who. No one. Anywhere. Ever.

However, you don't need to look further than a daily news site to see the opposite happening.

And BTW, you are 100% wrong about your first statement. American are guaranteed freedom from having to participate in religion.

Other Americans practicing their religion and you hearing or seeing it isn’t religion being forced upon you.

Correct, and no one said it is. As in the first sentence of the post you replied to but apparently didn't bother to read. That's you making up stuff. You're not being oppressed.

NP. This is getting really lame because you bring it up everywhere, and it almost never works in the context, like here. So it just looks like the writer is stupid. That is all.

NP, really? sounds a lot like the poster who assumes everyone is tuned in to the religion forum all the time.

Some of you atheists are tuned in here all the time. Especially the Catholic hater—I’m not Catholic, but even I recognize her.

We have to be here all the time to point out that everything you believe is completely without an iota of evidence and is likely false.

Sorry, usually I have more tolerance, but as we creep toward a fascist theocracy and I watch religion erode the very foundation of personal freedoms that made this country great and unique I cannot bear any more of it. The only hope I have is that this is the last gasp of the theocrats, like that final scene where Jason jumps out of the lake for one more dying stab at the good guys.

1. Who is “we?” Who are you speaking for?

2. You really don’t have to be here all the time to tell people they are worshiping wrong. You have no right to tell people they are wrong about their religion.

I didn’t say they were wrong. I said there was zero evidence for it and it was likely false. Please quote me properly and don’t twist my words or my meaning. If you don’t understand the difference it’s because you don’t want to. If you do have evidence present it and we can discuss it. See how that works?

Again, there are no scientific experiments, scientific tools, scientific tests, scientific measures or scales, that can prove God exists or prove God doesn’t exist. Exactly what kind of “evidence” are you looking for? Why do you think you can demand “evidence” for millions of people to be “validated” in their right to have their own religious belief system?

And who are you speaking for? You said “we?” Who is “we?”

Science doesn’t have the processes to prove or disprove the existence of God. Science studies and attempts to explain only the natural world while God, in most religions, is supernatural.

Science and religion draw on different aspects of human experience. In science, explanations are based on evidence drawn from observing the natural world and conducting experiments. Because these explanations are based on evidence, they can be checked independently by others.

Scientific questions (aka hypotheses) are framed in ways so that they can be confirmed or disproved by evidence. If the evidence shows that the hypothesis is wrong, the hypothesis must be reframed and tested again or rejected.

Religious beliefs don’t depend only on empirical evidence. They can also be based on faith and typically involve supernatural forces or entities.

So they are different ways of understanding the world?
Yes, and they focus on different kinds of questions. For example, science is a powerful tool for understanding and explaining the mechanisms and dynamics of the physical universe. But science can’t examine or explain the purpose of the universe. That’s a question that falls under theology or philosophy.

Pitting science and religion against each other makes both less able to contribute to a more meaningful experience of the world.

https://thesciencebehindit.org/does-science-disprove-the-existence-of-god/

The "we" was in response to the post I was responding to, which you clearly did not read.

None of your rhetoric is substantive, and there remains zero reliable evidence for what you believe, and why I think it is likely false. There is absolutely no evidence of the supernatural. I am not even sure what that is. Unless you can present some...

And I did not use the word "science", I used the word, "evidence". Can you present any evidence? No?

Then I see no reason to believe what you believe, and reiterate it is likely false.

Ok, we don’t care about your opinion. And when I say we, I speak for every person in existence that has a religious belief system and believes in a higher power.

You are welcome to have your own beliefs. We are welcome to have ours. Fin.

BS -- if you didn't care, you wouldn't be here fighting with non-believers. I'm here because I DO care, and, like atheist pp above, I acknowledge it.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. However, calling people ignorant or rude names and disparaging their intelligence for believing in God is wrong and intolerant.

How have Christians “shoved” their belief down your throat, pp? You never answered that question.

I would advise people to ignore the fairytale poster/s. They definitely are obsessed with religion (they post the same stuff constantly here) and don’t have a life outside of raging against religion.

The topic of this thread is the percentage of adults in America who believe in God has fallen to 81%. Ok, that’s what it is. I can say as a Christian that it could be 1%, and my faith in God will never shake or stop. Each person has their own opinion that is valid for them about many things in life, not just religion or God. I don’t see changing someone’s mind about those things and won’t have mine changed. And I won’t spend my life trying to change someone’s opinion or calling their opinions or beliefs wrong.

Christians clearly just shoved their beliefs down our throats through the work of the 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court. Please tell me you’re not that stupid. They just shoved their beliefs really quickly down our throats and want to keep doing so. They are erasing the state and church separation. Whether it’s paying for religious schools with tax payer money, this upcoming coach praying case or the most egregious example their Christian based ruling in Roe. It’s all Christianity. You know it. I know. Anyone who isn’t a complete fling dunce knows it.

+1

These religious extremists are infringing on *my* freedom of religion.

Americans aren’t guaranteed freedom from religion. No one can make you practice religion, but also, they are guaranteed their right to practice religion. You might hear or see other Americans practicing their religion, and you have no right to be offended or try to stop them .

DP here. Who is trying to do that? I will tell you who. No one. Anywhere. Ever.

However, you don't need to look further than a daily news site to see the opposite happening.

And BTW, you are 100% wrong about your first statement. American are guaranteed freedom from having to participate in religion.

Other Americans practicing their religion and you hearing or seeing it isn’t religion being forced upon you.

Correct, and no one said it is. As in the first sentence of the post you replied to but apparently didn't bother to read. That's you making up stuff. You're not being oppressed.

NP. This is getting really lame because you bring it up everywhere, and it almost never works in the context, like here. So it just looks like the writer is stupid. That is all.

NP, really? sounds a lot like the poster who assumes everyone is tuned in to the religion forum all the time.

Some of you atheists are tuned in here all the time. Especially the Catholic hater—I’m not Catholic, but even I recognize her.

We have to be here all the time to point out that everything you believe is completely without an iota of evidence and is likely false.

Sorry, usually I have more tolerance, but as we creep toward a fascist theocracy and I watch religion erode the very foundation of personal freedoms that made this country great and unique I cannot bear any more of it. The only hope I have is that this is the last gasp of the theocrats, like that final scene where Jason jumps out of the lake for one more dying stab at the good guys.

1. Who is “we?” Who are you speaking for?

2. You really don’t have to be here all the time to tell people they are worshiping wrong. You have no right to tell people they are wrong about their religion.

I didn’t say they were wrong. I said there was zero evidence for it and it was likely false. Please quote me properly and don’t twist my words or my meaning. If you don’t understand the difference it’s because you don’t want to. If you do have evidence present it and we can discuss it. See how that works?

Again, there are no scientific experiments, scientific tools, scientific tests, scientific measures or scales, that can prove God exists or prove God doesn’t exist. Exactly what kind of “evidence” are you looking for? Why do you think you can demand “evidence” for millions of people to be “validated” in their right to have their own religious belief system?

And who are you speaking for? You said “we?” Who is “we?”

Science doesn’t have the processes to prove or disprove the existence of God. Science studies and attempts to explain only the natural world while God, in most religions, is supernatural.

Science and religion draw on different aspects of human experience. In science, explanations are based on evidence drawn from observing the natural world and conducting experiments. Because these explanations are based on evidence, they can be checked independently by others.

Scientific questions (aka hypotheses) are framed in ways so that they can be confirmed or disproved by evidence. If the evidence shows that the hypothesis is wrong, the hypothesis must be reframed and tested again or rejected.

Religious beliefs don’t depend only on empirical evidence. They can also be based on faith and typically involve supernatural forces or entities.

So they are different ways of understanding the world?
Yes, and they focus on different kinds of questions. For example, science is a powerful tool for understanding and explaining the mechanisms and dynamics of the physical universe. But science can’t examine or explain the purpose of the universe. That’s a question that falls under theology or philosophy.

Pitting science and religion against each other makes both less able to contribute to a more meaningful experience of the world.

https://thesciencebehindit.org/does-science-disprove-the-existence-of-god/

The "we" was in response to the post I was responding to, which you clearly did not read.

None of your rhetoric is substantive, and there remains zero reliable evidence for what you believe, and why I think it is likely false. There is absolutely no evidence of the supernatural. I am not even sure what that is. Unless you can present some...

And I did not use the word "science", I used the word, "evidence". Can you present any evidence? No?

Then I see no reason to believe what you believe, and reiterate it is likely false.

Ok, we don’t care about your opinion. And when I say we, I speak for every person in existence that has a religious belief system and believes in a higher power.

You are welcome to have your own beliefs. We are welcome to have ours. Fin.

BS -- if you didn't care, you wouldn't be here fighting with non-believers. I'm here because I DO care, and, like atheist pp above, I acknowledge it.

Also, many believers don't care much at all what others believe. Their religion brings them comfort - so what that others don't believe it?

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. However, calling people ignorant or rude names and disparaging their intelligence for believing in God is wrong and intolerant.

How have Christians “shoved” their belief down your throat, pp? You never answered that question.

I would advise people to ignore the fairytale poster/s. They definitely are obsessed with religion (they post the same stuff constantly here) and don’t have a life outside of raging against religion.

The topic of this thread is the percentage of adults in America who believe in God has fallen to 81%. Ok, that’s what it is. I can say as a Christian that it could be 1%, and my faith in God will never shake or stop. Each person has their own opinion that is valid for them about many things in life, not just religion or God. I don’t see changing someone’s mind about those things and won’t have mine changed. And I won’t spend my life trying to change someone’s opinion or calling their opinions or beliefs wrong.

Christians clearly just shoved their beliefs down our throats through the work of the 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court. Please tell me you’re not that stupid. They just shoved their beliefs really quickly down our throats and want to keep doing so. They are erasing the state and church separation. Whether it’s paying for religious schools with tax payer money, this upcoming coach praying case or the most egregious example their Christian based ruling in Roe. It’s all Christianity. You know it. I know. Anyone who isn’t a complete fling dunce knows it.

+1

These religious extremists are infringing on *my* freedom of religion.

Americans aren’t guaranteed freedom from religion. No one can make you practice religion, but also, they are guaranteed their right to practice religion. You might hear or see other Americans practicing their religion, and you have no right to be offended or try to stop them .

DP here. Who is trying to do that? I will tell you who. No one. Anywhere. Ever.

However, you don't need to look further than a daily news site to see the opposite happening.

And BTW, you are 100% wrong about your first statement. American are guaranteed freedom from having to participate in religion.

Other Americans practicing their religion and you hearing or seeing it isn’t religion being forced upon you.

Correct, and no one said it is. As in the first sentence of the post you replied to but apparently didn't bother to read. That's you making up stuff. You're not being oppressed.

NP. This is getting really lame because you bring it up everywhere, and it almost never works in the context, like here. So it just looks like the writer is stupid. That is all.

NP, really? sounds a lot like the poster who assumes everyone is tuned in to the religion forum all the time.

Some of you atheists are tuned in here all the time. Especially the Catholic hater—I’m not Catholic, but even I recognize her.

We have to be here all the time to point out that everything you believe is completely without an iota of evidence and is likely false.

Sorry, usually I have more tolerance, but as we creep toward a fascist theocracy and I watch religion erode the very foundation of personal freedoms that made this country great and unique I cannot bear any more of it. The only hope I have is that this is the last gasp of the theocrats, like that final scene where Jason jumps out of the lake for one more dying stab at the good guys.

1. Who is “we?” Who are you speaking for?

2. You really don’t have to be here all the time to tell people they are worshiping wrong. You have no right to tell people they are wrong about their religion.

I didn’t say they were wrong. I said there was zero evidence for it and it was likely false. Please quote me properly and don’t twist my words or my meaning. If you don’t understand the difference it’s because you don’t want to. If you do have evidence present it and we can discuss it. See how that works?

Again, there are no scientific experiments, scientific tools, scientific tests, scientific measures or scales, that can prove God exists or prove God doesn’t exist. Exactly what kind of “evidence” are you looking for? Why do you think you can demand “evidence” for millions of people to be “validated” in their right to have their own religious belief system?

And who are you speaking for? You said “we?” Who is “we?”

Science doesn’t have the processes to prove or disprove the existence of God. Science studies and attempts to explain only the natural world while God, in most religions, is supernatural.

Science and religion draw on different aspects of human experience. In science, explanations are based on evidence drawn from observing the natural world and conducting experiments. Because these explanations are based on evidence, they can be checked independently by others.

Scientific questions (aka hypotheses) are framed in ways so that they can be confirmed or disproved by evidence. If the evidence shows that the hypothesis is wrong, the hypothesis must be reframed and tested again or rejected.

Religious beliefs don’t depend only on empirical evidence. They can also be based on faith and typically involve supernatural forces or entities.

So they are different ways of understanding the world?
Yes, and they focus on different kinds of questions. For example, science is a powerful tool for understanding and explaining the mechanisms and dynamics of the physical universe. But science can’t examine or explain the purpose of the universe. That’s a question that falls under theology or philosophy.

Pitting science and religion against each other makes both less able to contribute to a more meaningful experience of the world.

https://thesciencebehindit.org/does-science-disprove-the-existence-of-god/

The "we" was in response to the post I was responding to, which you clearly did not read.

None of your rhetoric is substantive, and there remains zero reliable evidence for what you believe, and why I think it is likely false. There is absolutely no evidence of the supernatural. I am not even sure what that is. Unless you can present some...

And I did not use the word "science", I used the word, "evidence". Can you present any evidence? No?

Then I see no reason to believe what you believe, and reiterate it is likely false.

Ok, we don’t care about your opinion. And when I say we, I speak for every person in existence that has a religious belief system and believes in a higher power.

You are welcome to have your own beliefs. We are welcome to have ours. Fin.

BS -- if you didn't care, you wouldn't be here fighting with non-believers. I'm here because I DO care, and, like atheist pp above, I acknowledge it.

DP. We’re arguing with you because you deliberately try to trash every religion thread, often to the point where we can’t have adult conversations. Why is it so important for you to do that?

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. However, calling people ignorant or rude names and disparaging their intelligence for believing in God is wrong and intolerant.

How have Christians “shoved” their belief down your throat, pp? You never answered that question.

I would advise people to ignore the fairytale poster/s. They definitely are obsessed with religion (they post the same stuff constantly here) and don’t have a life outside of raging against religion.

The topic of this thread is the percentage of adults in America who believe in God has fallen to 81%. Ok, that’s what it is. I can say as a Christian that it could be 1%, and my faith in God will never shake or stop. Each person has their own opinion that is valid for them about many things in life, not just religion or God. I don’t see changing someone’s mind about those things and won’t have mine changed. And I won’t spend my life trying to change someone’s opinion or calling their opinions or beliefs wrong.

Christians clearly just shoved their beliefs down our throats through the work of the 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court. Please tell me you’re not that stupid. They just shoved their beliefs really quickly down our throats and want to keep doing so. They are erasing the state and church separation. Whether it’s paying for religious schools with tax payer money, this upcoming coach praying case or the most egregious example their Christian based ruling in Roe. It’s all Christianity. You know it. I know. Anyone who isn’t a complete fling dunce knows it.

+1

These religious extremists are infringing on *my* freedom of religion.

Americans aren’t guaranteed freedom from religion. No one can make you practice religion, but also, they are guaranteed their right to practice religion. You might hear or see other Americans practicing their religion, and you have no right to be offended or try to stop them .

DP here. Who is trying to do that? I will tell you who. No one. Anywhere. Ever.

However, you don't need to look further than a daily news site to see the opposite happening.

And BTW, you are 100% wrong about your first statement. American are guaranteed freedom from having to participate in religion.

Other Americans practicing their religion and you hearing or seeing it isn’t religion being forced upon you.

Correct, and no one said it is. As in the first sentence of the post you replied to but apparently didn't bother to read. That's you making up stuff. You're not being oppressed.

NP. This is getting really lame because you bring it up everywhere, and it almost never works in the context, like here. So it just looks like the writer is stupid. That is all.

NP, really? sounds a lot like the poster who assumes everyone is tuned in to the religion forum all the time.

Some of you atheists are tuned in here all the time. Especially the Catholic hater—I’m not Catholic, but even I recognize her.

We have to be here all the time to point out that everything you believe is completely without an iota of evidence and is likely false.

Sorry, usually I have more tolerance, but as we creep toward a fascist theocracy and I watch religion erode the very foundation of personal freedoms that made this country great and unique I cannot bear any more of it. The only hope I have is that this is the last gasp of the theocrats, like that final scene where Jason jumps out of the lake for one more dying stab at the good guys.

1. Who is “we?” Who are you speaking for?

2. You really don’t have to be here all the time to tell people they are worshiping wrong. You have no right to tell people they are wrong about their religion.

I didn’t say they were wrong. I said there was zero evidence for it and it was likely false. Please quote me properly and don’t twist my words or my meaning. If you don’t understand the difference it’s because you don’t want to. If you do have evidence present it and we can discuss it. See how that works?

Again, there are no scientific experiments, scientific tools, scientific tests, scientific measures or scales, that can prove God exists or prove God doesn’t exist. Exactly what kind of “evidence” are you looking for? Why do you think you can demand “evidence” for millions of people to be “validated” in their right to have their own religious belief system?

And who are you speaking for? You said “we?” Who is “we?”

Science doesn’t have the processes to prove or disprove the existence of God. Science studies and attempts to explain only the natural world while God, in most religions, is supernatural.

Science and religion draw on different aspects of human experience. In science, explanations are based on evidence drawn from observing the natural world and conducting experiments. Because these explanations are based on evidence, they can be checked independently by others.

Scientific questions (aka hypotheses) are framed in ways so that they can be confirmed or disproved by evidence. If the evidence shows that the hypothesis is wrong, the hypothesis must be reframed and tested again or rejected.

Religious beliefs don’t depend only on empirical evidence. They can also be based on faith and typically involve supernatural forces or entities.

So they are different ways of understanding the world?
Yes, and they focus on different kinds of questions. For example, science is a powerful tool for understanding and explaining the mechanisms and dynamics of the physical universe. But science can’t examine or explain the purpose of the universe. That’s a question that falls under theology or philosophy.

Pitting science and religion against each other makes both less able to contribute to a more meaningful experience of the world.

https://thesciencebehindit.org/does-science-disprove-the-existence-of-god/

The "we" was in response to the post I was responding to, which you clearly did not read.

None of your rhetoric is substantive, and there remains zero reliable evidence for what you believe, and why I think it is likely false. There is absolutely no evidence of the supernatural. I am not even sure what that is. Unless you can present some...

And I did not use the word "science", I used the word, "evidence". Can you present any evidence? No?

Then I see no reason to believe what you believe, and reiterate it is likely false.

Ok, we don’t care about your opinion. And when I say we, I speak for every person in existence that has a religious belief system and believes in a higher power.

You are welcome to have your own beliefs. We are welcome to have ours. Fin.

BS -- if you didn't care, you wouldn't be here fighting with non-believers. I'm here because I DO care, and, like atheist pp above, I acknowledge it.

DP. We’re arguing with you because you deliberately try to trash every religion thread, often to the point where we can’t have adult conversations. Why is it so important for you to do that?

DP's definition of "adult conversations" equal no disagreements with a particular Christian point of view.

Keep in mind that this is a discussion board, open to all. It's not a church with beliefs that must be upheld under pain of eternal damnation.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. However, calling people ignorant or rude names and disparaging their intelligence for believing in God is wrong and intolerant.

How have Christians “shoved” their belief down your throat, pp? You never answered that question.

I would advise people to ignore the fairytale poster/s. They definitely are obsessed with religion (they post the same stuff constantly here) and don’t have a life outside of raging against religion.

The topic of this thread is the percentage of adults in America who believe in God has fallen to 81%. Ok, that’s what it is. I can say as a Christian that it could be 1%, and my faith in God will never shake or stop. Each person has their own opinion that is valid for them about many things in life, not just religion or God. I don’t see changing someone’s mind about those things and won’t have mine changed. And I won’t spend my life trying to change someone’s opinion or calling their opinions or beliefs wrong.

Christians clearly just shoved their beliefs down our throats through the work of the 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court. Please tell me you’re not that stupid. They just shoved their beliefs really quickly down our throats and want to keep doing so. They are erasing the state and church separation. Whether it’s paying for religious schools with tax payer money, this upcoming coach praying case or the most egregious example their Christian based ruling in Roe. It’s all Christianity. You know it. I know. Anyone who isn’t a complete fling dunce knows it.

+1

These religious extremists are infringing on *my* freedom of religion.

Americans aren’t guaranteed freedom from religion. No one can make you practice religion, but also, they are guaranteed their right to practice religion. You might hear or see other Americans practicing their religion, and you have no right to be offended or try to stop them .

DP here. Who is trying to do that? I will tell you who. No one. Anywhere. Ever.

However, you don't need to look further than a daily news site to see the opposite happening.

And BTW, you are 100% wrong about your first statement. American are guaranteed freedom from having to participate in religion.

Other Americans practicing their religion and you hearing or seeing it isn’t religion being forced upon you.

Correct, and no one said it is. As in the first sentence of the post you replied to but apparently didn't bother to read. That's you making up stuff. You're not being oppressed.

NP. This is getting really lame because you bring it up everywhere, and it almost never works in the context, like here. So it just looks like the writer is stupid. That is all.

NP, really? sounds a lot like the poster who assumes everyone is tuned in to the religion forum all the time.

Some of you atheists are tuned in here all the time. Especially the Catholic hater—I’m not Catholic, but even I recognize her.

We have to be here all the time to point out that everything you believe is completely without an iota of evidence and is likely false.

Sorry, usually I have more tolerance, but as we creep toward a fascist theocracy and I watch religion erode the very foundation of personal freedoms that made this country great and unique I cannot bear any more of it. The only hope I have is that this is the last gasp of the theocrats, like that final scene where Jason jumps out of the lake for one more dying stab at the good guys.

1. Who is “we?” Who are you speaking for?

2. You really don’t have to be here all the time to tell people they are worshiping wrong. You have no right to tell people they are wrong about their religion.

I didn’t say they were wrong. I said there was zero evidence for it and it was likely false. Please quote me properly and don’t twist my words or my meaning. If you don’t understand the difference it’s because you don’t want to. If you do have evidence present it and we can discuss it. See how that works?

Again, there are no scientific experiments, scientific tools, scientific tests, scientific measures or scales, that can prove God exists or prove God doesn’t exist. Exactly what kind of “evidence” are you looking for? Why do you think you can demand “evidence” for millions of people to be “validated” in their right to have their own religious belief system?

And who are you speaking for? You said “we?” Who is “we?”

Science doesn’t have the processes to prove or disprove the existence of God. Science studies and attempts to explain only the natural world while God, in most religions, is supernatural.

Science and religion draw on different aspects of human experience. In science, explanations are based on evidence drawn from observing the natural world and conducting experiments. Because these explanations are based on evidence, they can be checked independently by others.

Scientific questions (aka hypotheses) are framed in ways so that they can be confirmed or disproved by evidence. If the evidence shows that the hypothesis is wrong, the hypothesis must be reframed and tested again or rejected.

Religious beliefs don’t depend only on empirical evidence. They can also be based on faith and typically involve supernatural forces or entities.

So they are different ways of understanding the world?
Yes, and they focus on different kinds of questions. For example, science is a powerful tool for understanding and explaining the mechanisms and dynamics of the physical universe. But science can’t examine or explain the purpose of the universe. That’s a question that falls under theology or philosophy.

Pitting science and religion against each other makes both less able to contribute to a more meaningful experience of the world.

https://thesciencebehindit.org/does-science-disprove-the-existence-of-god/

The "we" was in response to the post I was responding to, which you clearly did not read.

None of your rhetoric is substantive, and there remains zero reliable evidence for what you believe, and why I think it is likely false. There is absolutely no evidence of the supernatural. I am not even sure what that is. Unless you can present some...

And I did not use the word "science", I used the word, "evidence". Can you present any evidence? No?

Then I see no reason to believe what you believe, and reiterate it is likely false.

Ok, we don’t care about your opinion. And when I say we, I speak for every person in existence that has a religious belief system and believes in a higher power.

You are welcome to have your own beliefs. We are welcome to have ours. Fin.

BS -- if you didn't care, you wouldn't be here fighting with non-believers. I'm here because I DO care, and, like atheist pp above, I acknowledge it.

DP. We’re arguing with you because you deliberately try to trash every religion thread, often to the point where we can’t have adult conversations. Why is it so important for you to do that?

Says the guy posting in a thread about the lightning fast grown of non-believers. Oh the irony.

But make no mistake, you are welcome here, always. We're still waiting for evidence of why you believe what you believe, and you haven't even tried to answer that.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. However, calling people ignorant or rude names and disparaging their intelligence for believing in God is wrong and intolerant.

How have Christians “shoved” their belief down your throat, pp? You never answered that question.

I would advise people to ignore the fairytale poster/s. They definitely are obsessed with religion (they post the same stuff constantly here) and don’t have a life outside of raging against religion.

The topic of this thread is the percentage of adults in America who believe in God has fallen to 81%. Ok, that’s what it is. I can say as a Christian that it could be 1%, and my faith in God will never shake or stop. Each person has their own opinion that is valid for them about many things in life, not just religion or God. I don’t see changing someone’s mind about those things and won’t have mine changed. And I won’t spend my life trying to change someone’s opinion or calling their opinions or beliefs wrong.

Christians clearly just shoved their beliefs down our throats through the work of the 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court. Please tell me you’re not that stupid. They just shoved their beliefs really quickly down our throats and want to keep doing so. They are erasing the state and church separation. Whether it’s paying for religious schools with tax payer money, this upcoming coach praying case or the most egregious example their Christian based ruling in Roe. It’s all Christianity. You know it. I know. Anyone who isn’t a complete fling dunce knows it.

+1

These religious extremists are infringing on *my* freedom of religion.

Americans aren’t guaranteed freedom from religion. No one can make you practice religion, but also, they are guaranteed their right to practice religion. You might hear or see other Americans practicing their religion, and you have no right to be offended or try to stop them .

DP here. Who is trying to do that? I will tell you who. No one. Anywhere. Ever.

However, you don't need to look further than a daily news site to see the opposite happening.

And BTW, you are 100% wrong about your first statement. American are guaranteed freedom from having to participate in religion.

Other Americans practicing their religion and you hearing or seeing it isn’t religion being forced upon you.

Correct, and no one said it is. As in the first sentence of the post you replied to but apparently didn't bother to read. That's you making up stuff. You're not being oppressed.

NP. This is getting really lame because you bring it up everywhere, and it almost never works in the context, like here. So it just looks like the writer is stupid. That is all.

NP, really? sounds a lot like the poster who assumes everyone is tuned in to the religion forum all the time.

Some of you atheists are tuned in here all the time. Especially the Catholic hater—I’m not Catholic, but even I recognize her.

We have to be here all the time to point out that everything you believe is completely without an iota of evidence and is likely false.

Sorry, usually I have more tolerance, but as we creep toward a fascist theocracy and I watch religion erode the very foundation of personal freedoms that made this country great and unique I cannot bear any more of it. The only hope I have is that this is the last gasp of the theocrats, like that final scene where Jason jumps out of the lake for one more dying stab at the good guys.

1. Who is “we?” Who are you speaking for?

2. You really don’t have to be here all the time to tell people they are worshiping wrong. You have no right to tell people they are wrong about their religion.

I didn’t say they were wrong. I said there was zero evidence for it and it was likely false. Please quote me properly and don’t twist my words or my meaning. If you don’t understand the difference it’s because you don’t want to. If you do have evidence present it and we can discuss it. See how that works?

Again, there are no scientific experiments, scientific tools, scientific tests, scientific measures or scales, that can prove God exists or prove God doesn’t exist. Exactly what kind of “evidence” are you looking for? Why do you think you can demand “evidence” for millions of people to be “validated” in their right to have their own religious belief system?

And who are you speaking for? You said “we?” Who is “we?”

Science doesn’t have the processes to prove or disprove the existence of God. Science studies and attempts to explain only the natural world while God, in most religions, is supernatural.

Science and religion draw on different aspects of human experience. In science, explanations are based on evidence drawn from observing the natural world and conducting experiments. Because these explanations are based on evidence, they can be checked independently by others.

Scientific questions (aka hypotheses) are framed in ways so that they can be confirmed or disproved by evidence. If the evidence shows that the hypothesis is wrong, the hypothesis must be reframed and tested again or rejected.

Religious beliefs don’t depend only on empirical evidence. They can also be based on faith and typically involve supernatural forces or entities.

So they are different ways of understanding the world?
Yes, and they focus on different kinds of questions. For example, science is a powerful tool for understanding and explaining the mechanisms and dynamics of the physical universe. But science can’t examine or explain the purpose of the universe. That’s a question that falls under theology or philosophy.

Pitting science and religion against each other makes both less able to contribute to a more meaningful experience of the world.

https://thesciencebehindit.org/does-science-disprove-the-existence-of-god/

The "we" was in response to the post I was responding to, which you clearly did not read.

None of your rhetoric is substantive, and there remains zero reliable evidence for what you believe, and why I think it is likely false. There is absolutely no evidence of the supernatural. I am not even sure what that is. Unless you can present some...

And I did not use the word "science", I used the word, "evidence". Can you present any evidence? No?

Then I see no reason to believe what you believe, and reiterate it is likely false.

Ok, we don’t care about your opinion. And when I say we, I speak for every person in existence that has a religious belief system and believes in a higher power.

You are welcome to have your own beliefs. We are welcome to have ours. Fin.

BS -- if you didn't care, you wouldn't be here fighting with non-believers. I'm here because I DO care, and, like atheist pp above, I acknowledge it.

DP. We’re arguing with you because you deliberately try to trash every religion thread, often to the point where we can’t have adult conversations. Why is it so important for you to do that?

DP's definition of "adult conversations" equal no disagreements with a particular Christian point of view.

Keep in mind that this is a discussion board, open to all. It's not a church with beliefs that must be upheld under pain of eternal damnation.

You’ve derailed this thread to make it about yourself. That’s the problem here. You tell yourself that X&Y group doesn’t like disagreement, but really, we don’t want to talk about you and your atheism on every single thread. You’re not as interesting as you think you are.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. However, calling people ignorant or rude names and disparaging their intelligence for believing in God is wrong and intolerant.

How have Christians “shoved” their belief down your throat, pp? You never answered that question.

I would advise people to ignore the fairytale poster/s. They definitely are obsessed with religion (they post the same stuff constantly here) and don’t have a life outside of raging against religion.

The topic of this thread is the percentage of adults in America who believe in God has fallen to 81%. Ok, that’s what it is. I can say as a Christian that it could be 1%, and my faith in God will never shake or stop. Each person has their own opinion that is valid for them about many things in life, not just religion or God. I don’t see changing someone’s mind about those things and won’t have mine changed. And I won’t spend my life trying to change someone’s opinion or calling their opinions or beliefs wrong.

Christians clearly just shoved their beliefs down our throats through the work of the 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court. Please tell me you’re not that stupid. They just shoved their beliefs really quickly down our throats and want to keep doing so. They are erasing the state and church separation. Whether it’s paying for religious schools with tax payer money, this upcoming coach praying case or the most egregious example their Christian based ruling in Roe. It’s all Christianity. You know it. I know. Anyone who isn’t a complete fling dunce knows it.

+1

These religious extremists are infringing on *my* freedom of religion.

Americans aren’t guaranteed freedom from religion. No one can make you practice religion, but also, they are guaranteed their right to practice religion. You might hear or see other Americans practicing their religion, and you have no right to be offended or try to stop them .

DP here. Who is trying to do that? I will tell you who. No one. Anywhere. Ever.

However, you don't need to look further than a daily news site to see the opposite happening.

And BTW, you are 100% wrong about your first statement. American are guaranteed freedom from having to participate in religion.

Other Americans practicing their religion and you hearing or seeing it isn’t religion being forced upon you.

Correct, and no one said it is. As in the first sentence of the post you replied to but apparently didn't bother to read. That's you making up stuff. You're not being oppressed.

NP. This is getting really lame because you bring it up everywhere, and it almost never works in the context, like here. So it just looks like the writer is stupid. That is all.

NP, really? sounds a lot like the poster who assumes everyone is tuned in to the religion forum all the time.

Some of you atheists are tuned in here all the time. Especially the Catholic hater—I’m not Catholic, but even I recognize her.

We have to be here all the time to point out that everything you believe is completely without an iota of evidence and is likely false.

Sorry, usually I have more tolerance, but as we creep toward a fascist theocracy and I watch religion erode the very foundation of personal freedoms that made this country great and unique I cannot bear any more of it. The only hope I have is that this is the last gasp of the theocrats, like that final scene where Jason jumps out of the lake for one more dying stab at the good guys.

1. Who is “we?” Who are you speaking for?

2. You really don’t have to be here all the time to tell people they are worshiping wrong. You have no right to tell people they are wrong about their religion.

I didn’t say they were wrong. I said there was zero evidence for it and it was likely false. Please quote me properly and don’t twist my words or my meaning. If you don’t understand the difference it’s because you don’t want to. If you do have evidence present it and we can discuss it. See how that works?

Again, there are no scientific experiments, scientific tools, scientific tests, scientific measures or scales, that can prove God exists or prove God doesn’t exist. Exactly what kind of “evidence” are you looking for? Why do you think you can demand “evidence” for millions of people to be “validated” in their right to have their own religious belief system?

And who are you speaking for? You said “we?” Who is “we?”

Science doesn’t have the processes to prove or disprove the existence of God. Science studies and attempts to explain only the natural world while God, in most religions, is supernatural.

Science and religion draw on different aspects of human experience. In science, explanations are based on evidence drawn from observing the natural world and conducting experiments. Because these explanations are based on evidence, they can be checked independently by others.

Scientific questions (aka hypotheses) are framed in ways so that they can be confirmed or disproved by evidence. If the evidence shows that the hypothesis is wrong, the hypothesis must be reframed and tested again or rejected.

Religious beliefs don’t depend only on empirical evidence. They can also be based on faith and typically involve supernatural forces or entities.

So they are different ways of understanding the world?
Yes, and they focus on different kinds of questions. For example, science is a powerful tool for understanding and explaining the mechanisms and dynamics of the physical universe. But science can’t examine or explain the purpose of the universe. That’s a question that falls under theology or philosophy.

Pitting science and religion against each other makes both less able to contribute to a more meaningful experience of the world.

https://thesciencebehindit.org/does-science-disprove-the-existence-of-god/

The "we" was in response to the post I was responding to, which you clearly did not read.

None of your rhetoric is substantive, and there remains zero reliable evidence for what you believe, and why I think it is likely false. There is absolutely no evidence of the supernatural. I am not even sure what that is. Unless you can present some...

And I did not use the word "science", I used the word, "evidence". Can you present any evidence? No?

Then I see no reason to believe what you believe, and reiterate it is likely false.

Ok, we don’t care about your opinion. And when I say we, I speak for every person in existence that has a religious belief system and believes in a higher power.

You are welcome to have your own beliefs. We are welcome to have ours. Fin.

BS -- if you didn't care, you wouldn't be here fighting with non-believers. I'm here because I DO care, and, like atheist pp above, I acknowledge it.

DP. We’re arguing with you because you deliberately try to trash every religion thread, often to the point where we can’t have adult conversations. Why is it so important for you to do that?

DP's definition of "adult conversations" equal no disagreements with a particular Christian point of view.

Keep in mind that this is a discussion board, open to all. It's not a church with beliefs that must be upheld under pain of eternal damnation.

You’ve derailed this thread to make it about yourself. That’s the problem here. You tell yourself that X&Y group doesn’t like disagreement, but really, we don’t want to talk about you and your atheism on every single thread. You’re not as interesting as you think you are.

Look who's talking!

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. However, calling people ignorant or rude names and disparaging their intelligence for believing in God is wrong and intolerant.

How have Christians “shoved” their belief down your throat, pp? You never answered that question.

I would advise people to ignore the fairytale poster/s. They definitely are obsessed with religion (they post the same stuff constantly here) and don’t have a life outside of raging against religion.

The topic of this thread is the percentage of adults in America who believe in God has fallen to 81%. Ok, that’s what it is. I can say as a Christian that it could be 1%, and my faith in God will never shake or stop. Each person has their own opinion that is valid for them about many things in life, not just religion or God. I don’t see changing someone’s mind about those things and won’t have mine changed. And I won’t spend my life trying to change someone’s opinion or calling their opinions or beliefs wrong.

Without atheists chiming in, some people would have nothing to complain about -- no need to protect their precious faith from the infidel.

Let's remember, too, that not all religious people agree. If they did, there would not be so many different religions and so many different denominations within one religion.

Christians clearly just shoved their beliefs down our throats through the work of the 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court. Please tell me you’re not that stupid. They just shoved their beliefs really quickly down our throats and want to keep doing so. They are erasing the state and church separation. Whether it’s paying for religious schools with tax payer money, this upcoming coach praying case or the most egregious example their Christian based ruling in Roe. It’s all Christianity. You know it. I know. Anyone who isn’t a complete fling dunce knows it.

+1

These religious extremists are infringing on *my* freedom of religion.

Americans aren’t guaranteed freedom from religion. No one can make you practice religion, but also, they are guaranteed their right to practice religion. You might hear or see other Americans practicing their religion, and you have no right to be offended or try to stop them .

DP here. Who is trying to do that? I will tell you who. No one. Anywhere. Ever.

However, you don't need to look further than a daily news site to see the opposite happening.

And BTW, you are 100% wrong about your first statement. American are guaranteed freedom from having to participate in religion.

Other Americans practicing their religion and you hearing or seeing it isn’t religion being forced upon you.

Correct, and no one said it is. As in the first sentence of the post you replied to but apparently didn't bother to read. That's you making up stuff. You're not being oppressed.

NP. This is getting really lame because you bring it up everywhere, and it almost never works in the context, like here. So it just looks like the writer is stupid. That is all.

NP, really? sounds a lot like the poster who assumes everyone is tuned in to the religion forum all the time.

Some of you atheists are tuned in here all the time. Especially the Catholic hater—I’m not Catholic, but even I recognize her.

We have to be here all the time to point out that everything you believe is completely without an iota of evidence and is likely false.

Sorry, usually I have more tolerance, but as we creep toward a fascist theocracy and I watch religion erode the very foundation of personal freedoms that made this country great and unique I cannot bear any more of it. The only hope I have is that this is the last gasp of the theocrats, like that final scene where Jason jumps out of the lake for one more dying stab at the good guys.

1. Who is “we?” Who are you speaking for?

2. You really don’t have to be here all the time to tell people they are worshiping wrong. You have no right to tell people they are wrong about their religion.

I didn’t say they were wrong. I said there was zero evidence for it and it was likely false. Please quote me properly and don’t twist my words or my meaning. If you don’t understand the difference it’s because you don’t want to. If you do have evidence present it and we can discuss it. See how that works?

Again, there are no scientific experiments, scientific tools, scientific tests, scientific measures or scales, that can prove God exists or prove God doesn’t exist. Exactly what kind of “evidence” are you looking for? Why do you think you can demand “evidence” for millions of people to be “validated” in their right to have their own religious belief system?

And who are you speaking for? You said “we?” Who is “we?”

Science doesn’t have the processes to prove or disprove the existence of God. Science studies and attempts to explain only the natural world while God, in most religions, is supernatural.

Science and religion draw on different aspects of human experience. In science, explanations are based on evidence drawn from observing the natural world and conducting experiments. Because these explanations are based on evidence, they can be checked independently by others.

Scientific questions (aka hypotheses) are framed in ways so that they can be confirmed or disproved by evidence. If the evidence shows that the hypothesis is wrong, the hypothesis must be reframed and tested again or rejected.

Religious beliefs don’t depend only on empirical evidence. They can also be based on faith and typically involve supernatural forces or entities.

So they are different ways of understanding the world?
Yes, and they focus on different kinds of questions. For example, science is a powerful tool for understanding and explaining the mechanisms and dynamics of the physical universe. But science can’t examine or explain the purpose of the universe. That’s a question that falls under theology or philosophy.

Pitting science and religion against each other makes both less able to contribute to a more meaningful experience of the world.

https://thesciencebehindit.org/does-science-disprove-the-existence-of-god/

The "we" was in response to the post I was responding to, which you clearly did not read.

None of your rhetoric is substantive, and there remains zero reliable evidence for what you believe, and why I think it is likely false. There is absolutely no evidence of the supernatural. I am not even sure what that is. Unless you can present some...

And I did not use the word "science", I used the word, "evidence". Can you present any evidence? No?

Then I see no reason to believe what you believe, and reiterate it is likely false.

Ok, we don’t care about your opinion. And when I say we, I speak for every person in existence that has a religious belief system and believes in a higher power.

You are welcome to have your own beliefs. We are welcome to have ours. Fin.

BS -- if you didn't care, you wouldn't be here fighting with non-believers. I'm here because I DO care, and, like atheist pp above, I acknowledge it.

DP. We’re arguing with you because you deliberately try to trash every religion thread, often to the point where we can’t have adult conversations. Why is it so important for you to do that?

DP's definition of "adult conversations" equal no disagreements with a particular Christian point of view.

Keep in mind that this is a discussion board, open to all. It's not a church with beliefs that must be upheld under pain of eternal damnation.

You’ve derailed this thread to make it about yourself. That’s the problem here. You tell yourself that X&Y group doesn’t like disagreement, but really, we don’t want to talk about you and your atheism on every single thread. You’re not as interesting as you think you are.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. However, calling people ignorant or rude names and disparaging their intelligence for believing in God is wrong and intolerant.

How have Christians “shoved” their belief down your throat, pp? You never answered that question.

I would advise people to ignore the fairytale poster/s. They definitely are obsessed with religion (they post the same stuff constantly here) and don’t have a life outside of raging against religion.

The topic of this thread is the percentage of adults in America who believe in God has fallen to 81%. Ok, that’s what it is. I can say as a Christian that it could be 1%, and my faith in God will never shake or stop. Each person has their own opinion that is valid for them about many things in life, not just religion or God. I don’t see changing someone’s mind about those things and won’t have mine changed. And I won’t spend my life trying to change someone’s opinion or calling their opinions or beliefs wrong.

Without atheists chiming in, some people would have nothing to complain about -- no need to protect their precious faith from the infidel.

Christians clearly just shoved their beliefs down our throats through the work of the 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court. Please tell me you’re not that stupid. They just shoved their beliefs really quickly down our throats and want to keep doing so. They are erasing the state and church separation. Whether it’s paying for religious schools with tax payer money, this upcoming coach praying case or the most egregious example their Christian based ruling in Roe. It’s all Christianity. You know it. I know. Anyone who isn’t a complete fling dunce knows it.

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These religious extremists are infringing on *my* freedom of religion.

Americans aren’t guaranteed freedom from religion. No one can make you practice religion, but also, they are guaranteed their right to practice religion. You might hear or see other Americans practicing their religion, and you have no right to be offended or try to stop them .

DP here. Who is trying to do that? I will tell you who. No one. Anywhere. Ever.

However, you don't need to look further than a daily news site to see the opposite happening.

And BTW, you are 100% wrong about your first statement. American are guaranteed freedom from having to participate in religion.

Other Americans practicing their religion and you hearing or seeing it isn’t religion being forced upon you.

Correct, and no one said it is. As in the first sentence of the post you replied to but apparently didn't bother to read. That's you making up stuff. You're not being oppressed.

NP. This is getting really lame because you bring it up everywhere, and it almost never works in the context, like here. So it just looks like the writer is stupid. That is all.

NP, really? sounds a lot like the poster who assumes everyone is tuned in to the religion forum all the time.

Some of you atheists are tuned in here all the time. Especially the Catholic hater—I’m not Catholic, but even I recognize her.

We have to be here all the time to point out that everything you believe is completely without an iota of evidence and is likely false.

Sorry, usually I have more tolerance, but as we creep toward a fascist theocracy and I watch religion erode the very foundation of personal freedoms that made this country great and unique I cannot bear any more of it. The only hope I have is that this is the last gasp of the theocrats, like that final scene where Jason jumps out of the lake for one more dying stab at the good guys.

1. Who is “we?” Who are you speaking for?

2. You really don’t have to be here all the time to tell people they are worshiping wrong. You have no right to tell people they are wrong about their religion.

I didn’t say they were wrong. I said there was zero evidence for it and it was likely false. Please quote me properly and don’t twist my words or my meaning. If you don’t understand the difference it’s because you don’t want to. If you do have evidence present it and we can discuss it. See how that works?

Again, there are no scientific experiments, scientific tools, scientific tests, scientific measures or scales, that can prove God exists or prove God doesn’t exist. Exactly what kind of “evidence” are you looking for? Why do you think you can demand “evidence” for millions of people to be “validated” in their right to have their own religious belief system?

And who are you speaking for? You said “we?” Who is “we?”

Science doesn’t have the processes to prove or disprove the existence of God. Science studies and attempts to explain only the natural world while God, in most religions, is supernatural.

Science and religion draw on different aspects of human experience. In science, explanations are based on evidence drawn from observing the natural world and conducting experiments. Because these explanations are based on evidence, they can be checked independently by others.

Scientific questions (aka hypotheses) are framed in ways so that they can be confirmed or disproved by evidence. If the evidence shows that the hypothesis is wrong, the hypothesis must be reframed and tested again or rejected.

Religious beliefs don’t depend only on empirical evidence. They can also be based on faith and typically involve supernatural forces or entities.

So they are different ways of understanding the world?
Yes, and they focus on different kinds of questions. For example, science is a powerful tool for understanding and explaining the mechanisms and dynamics of the physical universe. But science can’t examine or explain the purpose of the universe. That’s a question that falls under theology or philosophy.

Pitting science and religion against each other makes both less able to contribute to a more meaningful experience of the world.

https://thesciencebehindit.org/does-science-disprove-the-existence-of-god/

The "we" was in response to the post I was responding to, which you clearly did not read.

None of your rhetoric is substantive, and there remains zero reliable evidence for what you believe, and why I think it is likely false. There is absolutely no evidence of the supernatural. I am not even sure what that is. Unless you can present some...

And I did not use the word "science", I used the word, "evidence". Can you present any evidence? No?

Then I see no reason to believe what you believe, and reiterate it is likely false.

Ok, we don’t care about your opinion. And when I say we, I speak for every person in existence that has a religious belief system and believes in a higher power.

You are welcome to have your own beliefs. We are welcome to have ours. Fin.

BS -- if you didn't care, you wouldn't be here fighting with non-believers. I'm here because I DO care, and, like atheist pp above, I acknowledge it.

DP. We’re arguing with you because you deliberately try to trash every religion thread, often to the point where we can’t have adult conversations. Why is it so important for you to do that?

DP's definition of "adult conversations" equal no disagreements with a particular Christian point of view.

Keep in mind that this is a discussion board, open to all. It's not a church with beliefs that must be upheld under pain of eternal damnation.

You’ve derailed this thread to make it about yourself. That’s the problem here. You tell yourself that X&Y group doesn’t like disagreement, but really, we don’t want to talk about you and your atheism on every single thread. You’re not as interesting as you think you are.

Let's remember, too, that not all religious people agree. If they did, there would not be so many different religions and so many different denominations within one religion.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe 81 is correct. That seems incredibly high to me.

people are reluctant to tell a pollster they don't really believe in God.
Most respondents have very weak views on this subject anyway, but most will just say "yes" even if they don't really care one way or the other.

The poll is obviously over broad and misleading. Lots of people believe there is a god-like creative force at work in the universe; they just don't believe in the humans who claim to have a direction connection to it and know all the special "rules."

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. However, calling people ignorant or rude names and disparaging their intelligence for believing in God is wrong and intolerant.

How have Christians “shoved” their belief down your throat, pp? You never answered that question.

I would advise people to ignore the fairytale poster/s. They definitely are obsessed with religion (they post the same stuff constantly here) and don’t have a life outside of raging against religion.

The topic of this thread is the percentage of adults in America who believe in God has fallen to 81%. Ok, that’s what it is. I can say as a Christian that it could be 1%, and my faith in God will never shake or stop. Each person has their own opinion that is valid for them about many things in life, not just religion or God. I don’t see changing someone’s mind about those things and won’t have mine changed. And I won’t spend my life trying to change someone’s opinion or calling their opinions or beliefs wrong.

Christians clearly just shoved their beliefs down our throats through the work of the 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court. Please tell me you’re not that stupid. They just shoved their beliefs really quickly down our throats and want to keep doing so. They are erasing the state and church separation. Whether it’s paying for religious schools with tax payer money, this upcoming coach praying case or the most egregious example their Christian based ruling in Roe. It’s all Christianity. You know it. I know. Anyone who isn’t a complete fling dunce knows it.

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These religious extremists are infringing on *my* freedom of religion.

I disagree with the this Court on most things, for sure. However, your argument is a bit too broad here. If you have taken any philosophy or law courses, you would know that our entire legal system is premised on the same moral philosophy as most modern religions. The separation of Church and state was meant to keep the state out of religions and to prohibit one formal religion from being established by government; but there never actually was a time in human history when religion, as in moral philosophy, was not involved in the state. Most laws are premised on western religious philosophy. It is a fascinating area of study, and for our own good as a country on the brink of huge change, we all need to read up on it so we can figure this out.

Take your premise that your government cannot infringe on your religious freedom by passing a law. This obviously isn't true. Polygamy has been outlawed in every state, even though at least one religious sect embraces it as a moral mandate. If a satanist cult believe human sacrifice was a moral need and had willing victims who shared this belief, they would not be exempt from laws against murder and assisted suicide (assuming a willing victim). So the approach to this ruling is going to have to be much more nuanced than saying the law can't ever infringe on my religious practices (it can and it has because there are limits and exceptions), nor can you say that no religious belief can be encoded in laws, as almost every criminal law and most tort law has a religious parallel.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe 81 is correct. That seems incredibly high to me.

people are reluctant to tell a pollster they don't really believe in God.
Most respondents have very weak views on this subject anyway, but most will just say "yes" even if they don't really care one way or the other.

The poll is obviously over broad and misleading. Lots of people believe there is a god-like creative force at work in the universe; they just don't believe in the humans who claim to have a direction connection to it and know all the special "rules."

The details of this are actually in the article.

Only 42% believe in a god that "Hears prayers and intervenes". Another 28% believe in one that "% Hears prayers only" (not sure what the point of that is.

The most important data shows that belief is down in all measured categories, and has doubled overall in a decade.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe 81 is correct. That seems incredibly high to me.

people are reluctant to tell a pollster they don't really believe in God.
Most respondents have very weak views on this subject anyway, but most will just say "yes" even if they don't really care one way or the other.

The poll is obviously over broad and misleading. Lots of people believe there is a god-like creative force at work in the universe; they just don't believe in the humans who claim to have a direction connection to it and know all the special "rules."

The details of this are actually in the article.

Only 42% believe in a god that "Hears prayers and intervenes". Another 28% believe in one that "% Hears prayers only" (not sure what the point of that is.

The most important data shows that belief is down in all measured categories, and has doubled overall in a decade.

Someone to talk to, I guess, who is always available. Sometimes it helps just to get something off your chest.