Schools with Rigorous Academics and Big Sports Culture

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Anonymous wrote:At the elite level, Duke, Northwestern and Stanford probably give you the best balance of both top-tier academics and access to big time sports culture. You could arguably also throw ND in there, too.

The academics at Michigan are just as good as Duke and Northwestern, and certainly Notre Dame.

Almost as good. Different experience with 30k undergrads.

Half of whom have to be from instate.

There is no law that 50% of Michigan undergraduates have to be from Michigan. The school just likes to keep it that way.

It's a political reality.

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Anonymous wrote:At the elite level, Duke, Northwestern and Stanford probably give you the best balance of both top-tier academics and access to big time sports culture. You could arguably also throw ND in there, too.

The academics at Michigan are just as good as Duke and Northwestern, and certainly Notre Dame.

Almost as good. Different experience with 30k undergrads.

Half of whom have to be from instate.

There is no law that 50% of Michigan undergraduates have to be from Michigan. The school just likes to keep it that way.

It's a political reality.

Yes, the school wouldn't get money from the state if it didn't take kids from the state.

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Anonymous wrote:At the elite level, Duke, Northwestern and Stanford probably give you the best balance of both top-tier academics and access to big time sports culture. You could arguably also throw ND in there, too.

The academics at Michigan are just as good as Duke and Northwestern, and certainly Notre Dame.

Almost as good. Different experience with 30k undergrads.

PA scores from USNWR

Michigan. 4.5
Duke 4.5
Northwestern 4.4

Notre Dame 4.2

Just as good…..

I've never understood what this metric means. It seems to largely be administrators repeating earlier USNWR PA ratings that were probably based on an vague overall assessment of the school (undergrad, grad, research), not for how much an undergraduate is taught or tested. Caltech at 4.6 is at the same level as Penn in PA. No offense to Penn grads, but a Caltech grad is going to be pushed more than grads in the same majors at Penn. Caltech gets dinged a couple of tenths for being small and not having humanities.

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Anonymous wrote:At the elite level, Duke, Northwestern and Stanford probably give you the best balance of both top-tier academics and access to big time sports culture. You could arguably also throw ND in there, too.

The academics at Michigan are just as good as Duke and Northwestern, and certainly Notre Dame.

Almost as good. Different experience with 30k undergrads.

PA scores from USNWR

Michigan. 4.5
Duke 4.5
Northwestern 4.4

Notre Dame 4.2

Just as good…..

The most useless metric of all.

Sure. The only metric at USNWR that can’t be manipulated by individual colleges is useless. It’s been proven, over and over again, that universities (like Columbia) lie about their CDS.

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Anonymous wrote:At the elite level, Duke, Northwestern and Stanford probably give you the best balance of both top-tier academics and access to big time sports culture. You could arguably also throw ND in there, too.

The academics at Michigan are just as good as Duke and Northwestern, and certainly Notre Dame.

Almost as good. Different experience with 30k undergrads.

PA scores from USNWR

Michigan. 4.5
Duke 4.5
Northwestern 4.4

Notre Dame 4.2

Just as good…..

The most useless metric of all.

Sure. The only metric at USNWR that can’t be manipulated by individual colleges is useless. It’s been proven, over and over again, that universities (like Columbia) lie about their CDS.

are you kidding?


Reputation Without Rigor
The assessment survey used in U.S. News & World Report’s annual college rankings is subject to apathy and glaring disparities, an Inside Higher Ed review reveals.
By Stephanie Lee
August 19, 2009


The form submitted by the provost at the University of Wisconsin at Madison deemed 260 of its 262 peer institutions to be of “adequate” quality. A survey from the University of Vermont’s president listed “don’t know” for about half of the universities. The forms provided by Ohio State University’s president and provost were virtually identical. And the University of Florida’s president, like his highly publicized colleague at Clemson University, rated his own institution well above many of his competitors.
Long a sore spot for many critics, the peer assessment survey for U.S. News & World Report’s annual college rankings has been subjected to especially tough scrutiny since June, when an official at Clemson revealed that her bosses, as part of a larger strategy to propel the university up the rankings, had regularly given low scores on the "reputational" survey to other universities to make Clemson look better.

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Anonymous wrote:At the elite level, Duke, Northwestern and Stanford probably give you the best balance of both top-tier academics and access to big time sports culture. You could arguably also throw ND in there, too.

The academics at Michigan are just as good as Duke and Northwestern, and certainly Notre Dame.

Almost as good. Different experience with 30k undergrads.

PA scores from USNWR

Michigan. 4.5
Duke 4.5
Northwestern 4.4

Notre Dame 4.2

Just as good…..

The most useless metric of all.

Sure. The only metric at USNWR that can’t be manipulated by individual colleges is useless. It’s been proven, over and over again, that universities (like Columbia) lie about their CDS.

are you kidding?


Reputation Without Rigor
The assessment survey used in U.S. News & World Report’s annual college rankings is subject to apathy and glaring disparities, an Inside Higher Ed review reveals.
By Stephanie Lee
August 19, 2009


The form submitted by the provost at the University of Wisconsin at Madison deemed 260 of its 262 peer institutions to be of “adequate” quality. A survey from the University of Vermont’s president listed “don’t know” for about half of the universities. The forms provided by Ohio State University’s president and provost were virtually identical. And the University of Florida’s president, like his highly publicized colleague at Clemson University, rated his own institution well above many of his competitors.
Long a sore spot for many critics, the peer assessment survey for U.S. News & World Report’s annual college rankings has been subjected to especially tough scrutiny since June, when an official at Clemson revealed that her bosses, as part of a larger strategy to propel the university up the rankings, had regularly given low scores on the "reputational" survey to other universities to make Clemson look better.

No, I’m not kidding

With hundreds of surveys submitted, outliers like the ones above will have little impact. That’s the beauty of a collective opinion. Unlike individual colleges and universities who deliberately manipulate data to make themselves look better like Columbia and Emory.

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Anonymous wrote:At the elite level, Duke, Northwestern and Stanford probably give you the best balance of both top-tier academics and access to big time sports culture. You could arguably also throw ND in there, too.

The academics at Michigan are just as good as Duke and Northwestern, and certainly Notre Dame.

Almost as good. Different experience with 30k undergrads.

PA scores from USNWR

Michigan. 4.5
Duke 4.5
Northwestern 4.4

Notre Dame 4.2

Just as good…..

The most useless metric of all.

Sure. The only metric at USNWR that can’t be manipulated by individual colleges is useless. It’s been proven, over and over again, that universities (like Columbia) lie about their CDS.

are you kidding?


Reputation Without Rigor
The assessment survey used in U.S. News & World Report’s annual college rankings is subject to apathy and glaring disparities, an Inside Higher Ed review reveals.
By Stephanie Lee
August 19, 2009


The form submitted by the provost at the University of Wisconsin at Madison deemed 260 of its 262 peer institutions to be of “adequate” quality. A survey from the University of Vermont’s president listed “don’t know” for about half of the universities. The forms provided by Ohio State University’s president and provost were virtually identical. And the University of Florida’s president, like his highly publicized colleague at Clemson University, rated his own institution well above many of his competitors.
Long a sore spot for many critics, the peer assessment survey for U.S. News & World Report’s annual college rankings has been subjected to especially tough scrutiny since June, when an official at Clemson revealed that her bosses, as part of a larger strategy to propel the university up the rankings, had regularly given low scores on the "reputational" survey to other universities to make Clemson look better.

No, I’m not kidding

With hundreds of surveys submitted, outliers like the ones above will have little impact. That’s the beauty of a collective opinion. Unlike individual colleges and universities who deliberately manipulate data to make themselves look better like Columbia and Emory.

Adequate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At the elite level, Duke, Northwestern and Stanford probably give you the best balance of both top-tier academics and access to big time sports culture. You could arguably also throw ND in there, too.

The academics at Michigan are just as good as Duke and Northwestern, and certainly Notre Dame.

Almost as good. Different experience with 30k undergrads.

Half of whom have to be from instate.

There is no law that 50% of Michigan undergraduates have to be from Michigan. The school just likes to keep it that way.

It's a political reality.

Yes, the school wouldn't get money from the state if it didn't take kids from the state.

And that is how it should be for a public university.

A lot of the OOS kids would benefit from meeting the instate kids, also.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the elite level, Duke, Northwestern and Stanford probably give you the best balance of both top-tier academics and access to big time sports culture. You could arguably also throw ND in there, too.

The academics at Michigan are just as good as Duke and Northwestern, and certainly Notre Dame.

Almost as good. Different experience with 30k undergrads.

Half of whom have to be from instate.

There is no law that 50% of Michigan undergraduates have to be from Michigan. The school just likes to keep it that way.

It's a political reality.

Yes, the school wouldn't get money from the state if it didn't take kids from the state.

And that is how it should be for a public university.

A lot of the OOS kids would benefit from meeting the instate kids, also.

Yes. its a real cultural awakening for the Grosse Pointers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the elite level, Duke, Northwestern and Stanford probably give you the best balance of both top-tier academics and access to big time sports culture. You could arguably also throw ND in there, too.

The academics at Michigan are just as good as Duke and Northwestern, and certainly Notre Dame.

Almost as good. Different experience with 30k undergrads.

PA scores from USNWR

Michigan. 4.5
Duke 4.5
Northwestern 4.4

Notre Dame 4.2

Just as good…..

Never seen this metric. What exactly is it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the elite level, Duke, Northwestern and Stanford probably give you the best balance of both top-tier academics and access to big time sports culture. You could arguably also throw ND in there, too.

The academics at Michigan are just as good as Duke and Northwestern, and certainly Notre Dame.

Almost as good. Different experience with 30k undergrads.

Half of whom have to be from instate.

There is no law that 50% of Michigan undergraduates have to be from Michigan. The school just likes to keep it that way.

It's a political reality.

Yes, the school wouldn't get money from the state if it didn't take kids from the state.

And that is how it should be for a public university.

A lot of the OOS kids would benefit from meeting the instate kids, also.

Yes. its a real cultural awakening for the Grosse Pointers.

Meant that a lot of the OOS kids are very sheltered rich kids who’ve never been to MI.

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Wake Forest. Excellent school excellent sports

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West Point or USNA

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest. Excellent school excellent sports

I'm not sure you understand what "excellent" means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the elite level, Duke, Northwestern and Stanford probably give you the best balance of both top-tier academics and access to big time sports culture. You could arguably also throw ND in there, too.

The academics at Michigan are just as good as Duke and Northwestern, and certainly Notre Dame.

Almost as good. Different experience with 30k undergrads.

PA scores from USNWR

Michigan. 4.5
Duke 4.5
Northwestern 4.4

Notre Dame 4.2

Just as good…..

Never seen this metric. What exactly is it?

“Expert opinion: This is a measure of how a school is regarded by administrators at peer institutions on a peer assessment survey. A school's peer assessment score is determined by surveying presidents, provosts and deans of admissions, or officials in equivalent positions, at institutions in the school's ranking category.”