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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]At the elite level, Duke, Northwestern and Stanford probably give you the best balance of both top-tier academics and access to big time sports culture. You could arguably also throw ND in there, too.[/quote]

The academics at Michigan are just as good as Duke and Northwestern, and certainly Notre Dame. [/quote]

Almost as good. Different experience with 30k undergrads.[/quote]

PA scores from USNWR

Michigan.       4.5
Duke             4.5
Northwestern 4.4

Notre Dame    4.2

Just as good…..[/quote]

The most useless metric of all.[/quote]

Sure. The only metric at USNWR that can’t be manipulated by individual colleges is useless.   It’s been proven, over and over again,  that universities (like Columbia) lie about their CDS. [/quote]

are you kidding?

Reputation Without Rigor
The assessment survey used in U.S. News & World Report’s annual college rankings is subject to apathy and glaring disparities, an Inside Higher Ed review reveals.
By Stephanie Lee  
August 19, 2009
 
 
The form submitted by the provost at the University of Wisconsin at Madison deemed 260 of its 262 peer institutions to be of “adequate” quality. A survey from the University of Vermont’s president listed “don’t know” for about half of the universities. The forms provided by Ohio State University’s president and provost were virtually identical. And the University of Florida’s president, like his highly publicized colleague at Clemson University, rated his own institution well above many of his competitors.
Long a sore spot for many critics, the peer assessment survey for U.S. News & World Report’s annual college rankings has been subjected to especially tough scrutiny since June, when an official at Clemson revealed that her bosses, as part of a larger strategy to propel the university up the rankings, had regularly given low scores on the "reputational" survey to other universities to make Clemson look better.[/quote]

No, I’m not kidding

With hundreds of surveys submitted, outliers like the ones above will have little impact. That’s the beauty of a collective opinion. Unlike individual colleges and universities  who deliberately manipulate data to make themselves look better like Columbia and Emory.  [/quote]

Adequate.[/quote]

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