Possible AAP changes at ES

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Anonymous wrote:Getting back on topic - OP, this means that there will be two dumbed down AAP classes with Level II, III, IV kids in them and two "smartened up" GenEd classes with everyone else. We spoke with the principal and AART about it and are moving to Lemon Road next year. We have two in AAP and they need a challenging curriculum with their peers, not one dumbed down for kids whose parents complained they weren't in AAP. I can tell you that we are not the only ones making the switch.

Don't be surprised if those level III kids end up being as good as the level IV kids at class work.

Of course. My concern is the Level II kids that will be placed with Level IV.

That was not me, but yes, I am concerned about the grouping/mixing and not being able to meet my children at their very advanced levels. It's hard enough when there are children principal placed into the classroom that are having a hard time keeping up but whose parents won't send them back to GenEd because of the "prestige" of being in AAP. It's not about prestige, its about academics and challenge.

I hear you. DC's class went from 17 last year to 25 this year (with two of the original 17 moving), and some of the "newer" AAP students are struggling to keep up. I know the Principal or perhaps one of the AAP teachers mentioned that the 3rd grade class only had 14 kids in it. I think they're getting pressure to equalize the class sizes.

All of the third grade classes were small at the beginning of the year, but then the teacher of the largest class quit in the second week of school without giving notice and instead of hiring a new teacher, they just redistributed those kids to all of the other classes - except AAP. So the AAP class remained small while the other classes are huge. It's a really bad look.

I would assume hiring an AAP teacher would be slightly more difficult than a gen ed teacher. Presumably AAP instructors have some additional accreditation /county-based certification, which could be less common.

It was NOT an AAP class whose teacher quit, it was a normal class. And the administration was too lazy to identify the high performers from that class to place into AAP or to shift other kids around so they just shoved them in the other classes that were thriving with small class sizes.

What do you mean thriving? Didn’t the teacher quit in the second week?

No chance a principal is going to reshuffle the entire grade the second week of school. Terrible timing but redistributing one class was the smart choice. There must have been room or else they would have hired a long term sub.

Not even sure we’re taking about the same school or class anymore here.

This was in response to this poster, not OP:

All of the third grade classes were small at the beginning of the year, but then the teacher of the largest class quit in the second week of school without giving notice and instead of hiring a new teacher, they just redistributed those kids to all of the other classes - except AAP. So the AAP class remained small while the other classes are huge. It's a really bad look.

Was this at Shrevewood? If so, I wasn't aware of it as my DC is in another grade. Would agree that is a bad look, and may have been part of the impetus for what they are doing now. Not sure why they just couldn't have gotten a long-term sub until they hired another teacher. My sister works for FCPS and has done several long-term sub jobs for teachers on maternity leave, et.

Subs, long term and short term are hard to find this year.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting back on topic - OP, this means that there will be two dumbed down AAP classes with Level II, III, IV kids in them and two "smartened up" GenEd classes with everyone else. We spoke with the principal and AART about it and are moving to Lemon Road next year. We have two in AAP and they need a challenging curriculum with their peers, not one dumbed down for kids whose parents complained they weren't in AAP. I can tell you that we are not the only ones making the switch.

Don't be surprised if those level III kids end up being as good as the level IV kids at class work.

Of course. My concern is the Level II kids that will be placed with Level IV.

That was not me, but yes, I am concerned about the grouping/mixing and not being able to meet my children at their very advanced levels. It's hard enough when there are children principal placed into the classroom that are having a hard time keeping up but whose parents won't send them back to GenEd because of the "prestige" of being in AAP. It's not about prestige, its about academics and challenge.

I hear you. DC's class went from 17 last year to 25 this year (with two of the original 17 moving), and some of the "newer" AAP students are struggling to keep up. I know the Principal or perhaps one of the AAP teachers mentioned that the 3rd grade class only had 14 kids in it. I think they're getting pressure to equalize the class sizes.

All of the third grade classes were small at the beginning of the year, but then the teacher of the largest class quit in the second week of school without giving notice and instead of hiring a new teacher, they just redistributed those kids to all of the other classes - except AAP. So the AAP class remained small while the other classes are huge. It's a really bad look.

I would assume hiring an AAP teacher would be slightly more difficult than a gen ed teacher. Presumably AAP instructors have some additional accreditation /county-based certification, which could be less common.

It was NOT an AAP class whose teacher quit, it was a normal class. And the administration was too lazy to identify the high performers from that class to place into AAP or to shift other kids around so they just shoved them in the other classes that were thriving with small class sizes.

What do you mean thriving? Didn’t the teacher quit in the second week?

No chance a principal is going to reshuffle the entire grade the second week of school. Terrible timing but redistributing one class was the smart choice. There must have been room or else they would have hired a long term sub.

Not even sure we’re taking about the same school or class anymore here.

This was in response to this poster, not OP:

All of the third grade classes were small at the beginning of the year, but then the teacher of the largest class quit in the second week of school without giving notice and instead of hiring a new teacher, they just redistributed those kids to all of the other classes - except AAP. So the AAP class remained small while the other classes are huge. It's a really bad look.

Was this at Shrevewood? If so, I wasn't aware of it as my DC is in another grade. Would agree that is a bad look, and may have been part of the impetus for what they are doing now. Not sure why they just couldn't have gotten a long-term sub until they hired another teacher. My sister works for FCPS and has done several long-term sub jobs for teachers on maternity leave, et.

Subs, long term and short term are hard to find this year.

Understood. To the PP's question, did this happen at Shrevewood or another school?

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Anonymous wrote:Getting back on topic - OP, this means that there will be two dumbed down AAP classes with Level II, III, IV kids in them and two "smartened up" GenEd classes with everyone else. We spoke with the principal and AART about it and are moving to Lemon Road next year. We have two in AAP and they need a challenging curriculum with their peers, not one dumbed down for kids whose parents complained they weren't in AAP. I can tell you that we are not the only ones making the switch.

Don't be surprised if those level III kids end up being as good as the level IV kids at class work.

Of course. My concern is the Level II kids that will be placed with Level IV.

That was not me, but yes, I am concerned about the grouping/mixing and not being able to meet my children at their very advanced levels. It's hard enough when there are children principal placed into the classroom that are having a hard time keeping up but whose parents won't send them back to GenEd because of the "prestige" of being in AAP. It's not about prestige, its about academics and challenge.

I hear you. DC's class went from 17 last year to 25 this year (with two of the original 17 moving), and some of the "newer" AAP students are struggling to keep up. I know the Principal or perhaps one of the AAP teachers mentioned that the 3rd grade class only had 14 kids in it. I think they're getting pressure to equalize the class sizes.

Right. Isn’t this a move to remedy this concern? There needs to be equal sized classes and if there aren’t enough level IV students to make an entire class, they need to get divided into the two classrooms. Those kids that were placed in there will get redistributed. Though it is interesting that your perspective on how they’re doing directly conflicts with the evidence presented.

Not sure I'm following you. They're filling an advanced academic class with non-advanced students for the purpose of filling the class? This doesn't solve the problem of those kids not being able to keep up. My DC's teacher complains about this daily.

BULLSHIT. Your child's teacher complains to you every single day that there are kids in her class that can't keep up? Really? If that's true, then she's extremely unprofessional and the issue is more likely that she doesn't know how to do her job. But in reality, we all know you're making that up.

I know this because she tells the class this almost daily, and she complained about it during a parent/teacher conference. Other parents are aware of the comments as well. Would agree with your assessment that it is unprofessional, even if the situation is accurate.

Are we still at the same school or is this a different school? A teacher is telling the class that level III kids aren’t to the level of the level IV kids?

Same school but your assumption is incorrect. I’m the PP who referenced the AAP class going from 17 to 25 this year. Some of the newer AAP kids added this year are struggling to keep up; others have had disciplinary issues. These issues didn’t exist previously. I brought it up due to the discussion of what appears to be further dilution of the Level IV classroom.

These are more likely due to virtual learning last year than they are to AAP, you know that right? Lots of changes for everybody.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting back on topic - OP, this means that there will be two dumbed down AAP classes with Level II, III, IV kids in them and two "smartened up" GenEd classes with everyone else. We spoke with the principal and AART about it and are moving to Lemon Road next year. We have two in AAP and they need a challenging curriculum with their peers, not one dumbed down for kids whose parents complained they weren't in AAP. I can tell you that we are not the only ones making the switch.

Don't be surprised if those level III kids end up being as good as the level IV kids at class work.

Of course. My concern is the Level II kids that will be placed with Level IV.

That was not me, but yes, I am concerned about the grouping/mixing and not being able to meet my children at their very advanced levels. It's hard enough when there are children principal placed into the classroom that are having a hard time keeping up but whose parents won't send them back to GenEd because of the "prestige" of being in AAP. It's not about prestige, its about academics and challenge.

I hear you. DC's class went from 17 last year to 25 this year (with two of the original 17 moving), and some of the "newer" AAP students are struggling to keep up. I know the Principal or perhaps one of the AAP teachers mentioned that the 3rd grade class only had 14 kids in it. I think they're getting pressure to equalize the class sizes.

Right. Isn’t this a move to remedy this concern? There needs to be equal sized classes and if there aren’t enough level IV students to make an entire class, they need to get divided into the two classrooms. Those kids that were placed in there will get redistributed. Though it is interesting that your perspective on how they’re doing directly conflicts with the evidence presented.

Not sure I'm following you. They're filling an advanced academic class with non-advanced students for the purpose of filling the class? This doesn't solve the problem of those kids not being able to keep up. My DC's teacher complains about this daily.

BULLSHIT. Your child's teacher complains to you every single day that there are kids in her class that can't keep up? Really? If that's true, then she's extremely unprofessional and the issue is more likely that she doesn't know how to do her job. But in reality, we all know you're making that up.

I know this because she tells the class this almost daily, and she complained about it during a parent/teacher conference. Other parents are aware of the comments as well. Would agree with your assessment that it is unprofessional, even if the situation is accurate.

Are we still at the same school or is this a different school? A teacher is telling the class that level III kids aren’t to the level of the level IV kids?

She's 100% making this up.

Time for a new schtick, PP. Calling people liars and claiming everything is made up does not contribute to the conversation. You've done it several times on this thread. You seem entirely vested in AAP going away (my guess is your kid didn't get in) but this one school's change isn't going to wipe out the entire program. Make a case for it if you feel strongly without resorting to just claiming everyone else is making up fiction. It's weak.

I think you have me confused with someone else. I have a child in AAP at Shrevewood and don't believe for a second that an AAP teacher there is calling parents and telling children in the class every day that their classmates aren't good enough to be there. If my child's teacher was telling the kids that, I would be making calls to the principal, executive principal, and region 2 superintendent. That is NOT professional behavior. If OP is telling the truth, I want her to give us the grade level. I have friends with kids in every single AAP class at the school and will confirm with them. Until then, I think she's lying.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting back on topic - OP, this means that there will be two dumbed down AAP classes with Level II, III, IV kids in them and two "smartened up" GenEd classes with everyone else. We spoke with the principal and AART about it and are moving to Lemon Road next year. We have two in AAP and they need a challenging curriculum with their peers, not one dumbed down for kids whose parents complained they weren't in AAP. I can tell you that we are not the only ones making the switch.

Don't be surprised if those level III kids end up being as good as the level IV kids at class work.

Of course. My concern is the Level II kids that will be placed with Level IV.

That was not me, but yes, I am concerned about the grouping/mixing and not being able to meet my children at their very advanced levels. It's hard enough when there are children principal placed into the classroom that are having a hard time keeping up but whose parents won't send them back to GenEd because of the "prestige" of being in AAP. It's not about prestige, its about academics and challenge.

I hear you. DC's class went from 17 last year to 25 this year (with two of the original 17 moving), and some of the "newer" AAP students are struggling to keep up. I know the Principal or perhaps one of the AAP teachers mentioned that the 3rd grade class only had 14 kids in it. I think they're getting pressure to equalize the class sizes.

Right. Isn’t this a move to remedy this concern? There needs to be equal sized classes and if there aren’t enough level IV students to make an entire class, they need to get divided into the two classrooms. Those kids that were placed in there will get redistributed. Though it is interesting that your perspective on how they’re doing directly conflicts with the evidence presented.

Not sure I'm following you. They're filling an advanced academic class with non-advanced students for the purpose of filling the class? This doesn't solve the problem of those kids not being able to keep up. My DC's teacher complains about this daily.

BULLSHIT. Your child's teacher complains to you every single day that there are kids in her class that can't keep up? Really? If that's true, then she's extremely unprofessional and the issue is more likely that she doesn't know how to do her job. But in reality, we all know you're making that up.

I know this because she tells the class this almost daily, and she complained about it during a parent/teacher conference. Other parents are aware of the comments as well. Would agree with your assessment that it is unprofessional, even if the situation is accurate.

Are we still at the same school or is this a different school? A teacher is telling the class that level III kids aren’t to the level of the level IV kids?

She's 100% making this up.

Time for a new schtick, PP. Calling people liars and claiming everything is made up does not contribute to the conversation. You've done it several times on this thread. You seem entirely vested in AAP going away (my guess is your kid didn't get in) but this one school's change isn't going to wipe out the entire program. Make a case for it if you feel strongly without resorting to just claiming everyone else is making up fiction. It's weak.

I think you have me confused with someone else. I have a child in AAP at Shrevewood and don't believe for a second that an AAP teacher there is calling parents and telling children in the class every day that their classmates aren't good enough to be there. If my child's teacher was telling the kids that, I would be making calls to the principal, executive principal, and region 2 superintendent. That is NOT professional behavior. If OP is telling the truth, I want her to give us the grade level. I have friends with kids in every single AAP class at the school and will confirm with them. Until then, I think she's lying.

WTF?? You think someone is going to spell out specifics so you can confirm with your kids, the ultimate authority on all things factual? You can think whatever you want; you "thinking" the PP is lying is just that: your thoughts. Just stop it.

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This thread is so confusing!!!

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Maybe ‘daily’ was a little bit of hyperbole… maybe? Don’t we all say things that don’t mean exactly what it means? ‘Literally’, ‘all the time’, ‘on the reg’ - I keep clicking on this discussion when it pops to the top in order to see a real discussion and all I see is focusing on one word. For goodness sake. Calm down.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe ‘daily’ was a little bit of hyperbole… maybe? Don’t we all say things that don’t mean exactly what it means? ‘Literally’, ‘all the time’, ‘on the reg’ - I keep clicking on this discussion when it pops to the top in order to see a real discussion and all I see is focusing on one word. For goodness sake. Calm down.

So the teacher told them once they weren't good enough? Is that even appropriate? Have parents complained?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so confusing!!!

OP here - yes, unfortunately it has gone off on too many tangents and too much unnecessary name calling. Can we please re-focus any future posts on the core issue as it was started?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so confusing!!!

OP here - yes, unfortunately it has gone off on too many tangents and too much unnecessary name calling. Can we please re-focus any future posts on the core issue as it was started?

What would you like us to contribute? We are at a different ES and we have Level IV. I've been following this thread closely because we can't fill classrooms with only Level IV students so this could be the direction we also go.... I am thinking of making a switch for my kid to a Center school just to avoid this possibility.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so confusing!!!

OP here - yes, unfortunately it has gone off on too many tangents and too much unnecessary name calling. Can we please re-focus any future posts on the core issue as it was started?

What would you like us to contribute? We are at a different ES and we have Level IV. I've been following this thread closely because we can't fill classrooms with only Level IV students so this could be the direction we also go.... I am thinking of making a switch for my kid to a Center school just to avoid this possibility.

What you contributed here is just fine. It's an indicator of whether or not this is happening in other schools or could happen. I simply stated "focus future posts" to keep from the background noise.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so confusing!!!

OP here - yes, unfortunately it has gone off on too many tangents and too much unnecessary name calling. Can we please re-focus any future posts on the core issue as it was started?

What would you like us to contribute? We are at a different ES and we have Level IV. I've been following this thread closely because we can't fill classrooms with only Level IV students so this could be the direction we also go.... I am thinking of making a switch for my kid to a Center school just to avoid this possibility.

What you contributed here is just fine. It's an indicator of whether or not this is happening in other schools or could happen. I simply stated "focus future posts" to keep from the background noise.

OP, it's you who can't keep up. The "Click to show earlier quotes" button is your friend if you are getting confused.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so confusing!!!

OP here - yes, unfortunately it has gone off on too many tangents and too much unnecessary name calling. Can we please re-focus any future posts on the core issue as it was started?

What would you like us to contribute? We are at a different ES and we have Level IV. I've been following this thread closely because we can't fill classrooms with only Level IV students so this could be the direction we also go.... I am thinking of making a switch for my kid to a Center school just to avoid this possibility.

What you contributed here is just fine. It's an indicator of whether or not this is happening in other schools or could happen. I simply stated "focus future posts" to keep from the background noise.

OP, it's you who can't keep up. The "Click to show earlier quotes" button is your friend if you are getting confused.

I did click on it - what exactly am I confused about? What about my original post am I supposed to "keep up" on?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so confusing!!!

OP here - yes, unfortunately it has gone off on too many tangents and too much unnecessary name calling. Can we please re-focus any future posts on the core issue as it was started?

What would you like us to contribute? We are at a different ES and we have Level IV. I've been following this thread closely because we can't fill classrooms with only Level IV students so this could be the direction we also go.... I am thinking of making a switch for my kid to a Center school just to avoid this possibility.

What you contributed here is just fine. It's an indicator of whether or not this is happening in other schools or could happen. I simply stated "focus future posts" to keep from the background noise.

OP, it's you who can't keep up. The "Click to show earlier quotes" button is your friend if you are getting confused.

I did click on it - what exactly am I confused about? What about my original post am I supposed to "keep up" on?

OP, are you new here? Threads stretch and wander. Let me help you out.

You are at Shrevewood. See post 03/23/2022 08:55.

Another poster said a similar program to what your school is proposing is Franklin Sherman. See post 03/23/2022 07:00.

Poster said her Shrevewood kids are moving to Lemon Road. No changes are being made at Centers. See post 03/24/2022 11:40.

Poster at an unidentified school said her child's teacher complains daily about underperforming AAP students. Presumably this was not you. See post 03/24/2022 14:17. This prompted 03/25/2022 21:37; 03/27/2022 14:41.

Poster at an unidentified school complained a teacher quit and students were shuffled to ever class but AAP. See post 03/24/2022 22:26. This prompted 03/25/2022 21:40; 03/26/2022 15:17.

So, we all aren't talking about Shrevewood. Others are sharing their school's experiences or speculating about the program in general. Follow?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so confusing!!!

OP here - yes, unfortunately it has gone off on too many tangents and too much unnecessary name calling. Can we please re-focus any future posts on the core issue as it was started?

What would you like us to contribute? We are at a different ES and we have Level IV. I've been following this thread closely because we can't fill classrooms with only Level IV students so this could be the direction we also go.... I am thinking of making a switch for my kid to a Center school just to avoid this possibility.

What you contributed here is just fine. It's an indicator of whether or not this is happening in other schools or could happen. I simply stated "focus future posts" to keep from the background noise.

OP, it's you who can't keep up. The "Click to show earlier quotes" button is your friend if you are getting confused.

I did click on it - what exactly am I confused about? What about my original post am I supposed to "keep up" on?

OP, are you new here? Threads stretch and wander. Let me help you out.

You are at Shrevewood. See post 03/23/2022 08:55.

Another poster said a similar program to what your school is proposing is Franklin Sherman. See post 03/23/2022 07:00.

Poster said her Shrevewood kids are moving to Lemon Road. No changes are being made at Centers. See post 03/24/2022 11:40.

Poster at an unidentified school said her child's teacher complains daily about underperforming AAP students. Presumably this was not you. See post 03/24/2022 14:17. This prompted 03/25/2022 21:37; 03/27/2022 14:41.

Poster at an unidentified school complained a teacher quit and students were shuffled to ever class but AAP. See post 03/24/2022 22:26. This prompted 03/25/2022 21:40; 03/26/2022 15:17.

So, we all aren't talking about Shrevewood. Others are sharing their school's experiences or speculating about the program in general. Follow?

Yes, I saw all of that. Some of the splintering resulted into tangents of politics and accusations of lying, which led another poster to say this thread had gotten confusing. I’m trying to bring it back to the original scope and to filter out all the needless nastiness. Capiche?