ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

Just wait until a recruiter looks at an Aug birthday that is playing down with a younger grade. They'll instantly skip them over because that player will be a graduating senior playing on a team full of juniors. Theres no way a player used to playing against juniors will be able to make the jump and play in college.

Aug kid can play up if it aligns with their grade, so they can avoid being the lone Sr on a Jr squad. You can’t play down. Thats why it moved to 8/1 as opposed to 9/1.

You clearly do not understand that when people sign their kids up for soccer THEY WILL NOT KNOW that their kid is MISALIGNED. I understand that most people on this board don't care for the 95% of kids that play soccer that are not considered "elite" but they matter too. And their experience matters. Almost everyone starts there too.

Dude you are out of your effing mind…

Lol, SY+60 guy goes berserk!!

I think we all know who the troll is

SY+ 60 guy's insane nonseqitar random convoluted proposal, parroting their own comments and not being smart enough to realize that all age range and waivers create incentive structures with differing maximizing problem for everyone else has sucked the oxygen out of the room.

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Do your calculation for misalignment.

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Jokes' on you - the August kids were already filtered out from the high level teams. Lower levels already often combine AGs so no issue there

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Do your calculation for misalignment.

🙄 There will be misalignment for either date. The only difference is that one side has a CHOICE model and the other side is TRAPPED. If an August birthdate in a 9/1 state is a late bloomer it is a better development solution to potentially play with youngers for a few years and then CHOOSE to play up with grade. It is not difficult. So give 70% * 1/12 a choice model or FORCE 30% * 1/12 to be trapped and lose half an 8th grade season, be off the recruiting calendar and have to be on a brand new team their senior year.

So there is the calculation. I can try to use different words is this is difficult to understand…………

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Jokes' on you - the August kids were already filtered out from the high level teams. Lower levels already often combine AGs so no issue there

Probably accurate. So it is even fewer than 17 is what you are saying? 😂

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Do your calculation for misalignment.

🙄 There will be misalignment for either date. The only difference is that one side has a CHOICE model and the other side is TRAPPED. If an August birthdate in a 9/1 state is a late bloomer it is a better development solution to potentially play with youngers for a few years and then CHOOSE to play up with grade. It is not difficult. So give 70% * 1/12 a choice model or FORCE 30% * 1/12 to be trapped and lose half an 8th grade season, be off the recruiting calendar and have to be on a brand new team their senior year.

So there is the calculation. I can try to use different words is this is difficult to understand…………

And this is where the + comes in it solves all misalignment except for extreme cases of holding your kid back. Why are you so against a system that will actually solve the problem, instead of creating another.

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The guy that accuses others of responding to their own comments responds in a flurry to his comments.

Such a loser.

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Jokes' on you - the August kids were already filtered out from the high level teams. Lower levels already often combine AGs so no issue there

Probably accurate. So it is even fewer than 17 is what you are saying? 😂

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Jokes' on you - the August kids were already filtered out from the high level teams. Lower levels already often combine AGs so no issue there

Probably accurate. So it is even fewer than 17 is what you are saying? 😂

Wait are babies no longer born in August? Will none of them ever play soccer in America?

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Do your calculation for misalignment.

🙄 There will be misalignment for either date. The only difference is that one side has a CHOICE model and the other side is TRAPPED. If an August birthdate in a 9/1 state is a late bloomer it is a better development solution to potentially play with youngers for a few years and then CHOOSE to play up with grade. It is not difficult. So give 70% * 1/12 a choice model or FORCE 30% * 1/12 to be trapped and lose half an 8th grade season, be off the recruiting calendar and have to be on a brand new team their senior year.

So there is the calculation. I can try to use different words is this is difficult to understand…………

And this is where the + comes in it solves all misalignment except for extreme cases of holding your kid back. Why are you so against a system that will actually solve the problem, instead of creating another.

Because it is unnecessary and adds unneeded complexity to an already disorganized ecosystem. We don’t need to build a tax code to solve for every eventuality.

But a better reason is that it is NEVER going to happen so why spend any energy on it in the first place.

You have explained and explained and explained your thoughts. Nobody here doesn’t understand your position. They just don’t like it, or they don’t think it will happen or find you so annoying that you continue to beat the dead horse that even if they may have supported your idea originally they don’t now.

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Jokes' on you - the August kids were already filtered out from the high level teams. Lower levels already often combine AGs so no issue there

Probably accurate. So it is even fewer than 17 is what you are saying? 😂

Wait are babies no longer born in August? Will none of them ever play soccer in America?

They're born, but the point is they'll be selected out just like DEC birthdays now - which is why this is such a big deal. No one wants to be the youngest.

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Do your calculation for misalignment.

🙄 There will be misalignment for either date. The only difference is that one side has a CHOICE model and the other side is TRAPPED. If an August birthdate in a 9/1 state is a late bloomer it is a better development solution to potentially play with youngers for a few years and then CHOOSE to play up with grade. It is not difficult. So give 70% * 1/12 a choice model or FORCE 30% * 1/12 to be trapped and lose half an 8th grade season, be off the recruiting calendar and have to be on a brand new team their senior year.

So there is the calculation. I can try to use different words is this is difficult to understand…………

And this is where the + comes in it solves all misalignment except for extreme cases of holding your kid back. Why are you so against a system that will actually solve the problem, instead of creating another.

Because it is unnecessary and adds unneeded complexity to an already disorganized ecosystem. We don’t need to build a tax code to solve for every eventuality.

But a better reason is that it is NEVER going to happen so why spend any energy on it in the first place.

You have explained and explained and explained your thoughts. Nobody here doesn’t understand your position. They just don’t like it, or they don’t think it will happen or find you so annoying that you continue to beat the dead horse that even if they may have supported your idea originally they don’t now.

SY+30 is needed to address all Aug birthday issues that will come up with an 8/1 cutoff.

Ignore it all you want. But everyone else knows that there will be issues. Might as well solve them now.

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Jokes' on you - the August kids were already filtered out from the high level teams. Lower levels already often combine AGs so no issue there

Probably accurate. So it is even fewer than 17 is what you are saying? 😂

Wait are babies no longer born in August? Will none of them ever play soccer in America?

They're born, but the point is they'll be selected out just like DEC birthdays now - which is why this is such a big deal. No one wants to be the youngest.

My kid is on a top team with a Dec bday. It can be done.

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Do your calculation for misalignment.

🙄 There will be misalignment for either date. The only difference is that one side has a CHOICE model and the other side is TRAPPED. If an August birthdate in a 9/1 state is a late bloomer it is a better development solution to potentially play with youngers for a few years and then CHOOSE to play up with grade. It is not difficult. So give 70% * 1/12 a choice model or FORCE 30% * 1/12 to be trapped and lose half an 8th grade season, be off the recruiting calendar and have to be on a brand new team their senior year.

So there is the calculation. I can try to use different words is this is difficult to understand…………

And this is where the + comes in it solves all misalignment except for extreme cases of holding your kid back. Why are you so against a system that will actually solve the problem, instead of creating another.

Because it is unnecessary and adds unneeded complexity to an already disorganized ecosystem. We don’t need to build a tax code to solve for every eventuality.

But a better reason is that it is NEVER going to happen so why spend any energy on it in the first place.

You have explained and explained and explained your thoughts. Nobody here doesn’t understand your position. They just don’t like it, or they don’t think it will happen or find you so annoying that you continue to beat the dead horse that even if they may have supported your idea originally they don’t now.

SY+30 is needed to address all Aug birthday issues that will come up with an 8/1 cutoff.

Ignore it all you want. But everyone else knows that there will be issues. Might as well solve them now.

There is no issue for Aug kids. You are confusing needs with wants.