FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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Anonymous wrote:That's surprising because Franklin and Stone are very, very small buildings.

Isn't Franklin going to get renovated in a few years? Will that add capacity?

I think so.

Not sure about Stone (nothing is set in stone...sorry)

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Anonymous wrote:As far as South Lakes, I suspect that many of the "opt-ins" to Skyview were from Fox Mill. It will be interesting to see which base schools those kids are coming from. Has that been published? I bet there are some from other area schools that are not going to be "in boundary."

Does anyone know what the breakdown is?

Fox Mill and Floris kids at SLHS opted in. My kid reported kids from Hughes MS at the HS preview day for Skyview, so it wasn't just Fox Mill and Floris. I would guess that some where are 25 kids from FMES opted in this year. Keep in mond that FMES enrollment numbers are inflated by the JI program, so the kids going to SLHS from FMES is actually smaller then the enrollment at the school. It was probably roughly 50% of the 8th grade class from FMES opted in to Skyview. The Floris numbers at SLHS are pretty small as well. I am guessing the Hughes kids who opted in would be from Dogwood, maybe the kids who had been in the JI program at FMES.

I suspect that SLHS is also realizing that it is going to see an increase in the number of kids looking to pupil place to Skyview because it will be the closer AP school for lots of families. SLHS loses about 125 kids a year to Herndon for AP, that number might go up with an AP program at Skyview due to the difference in student bodies. Parents might be more comfortable pupil placing to a lower FARMs AP school then the higher FARMS AP school that had been the choice for most. And the SLHS community knows it. Some discussed it on Meren's FB posts.

According to the capacity dashboard only 13 kids transferred from South Lakes to Herndon this year (158 transferred from Herndon to South Lakes). When Skyview becomes an option for AP, the number of transfers out of South Lakes may increase substantially.

The SLHS map shows 157 SLHS students transferred out and 234 students transferred in.

158 Herndon to SLHS
35 Westfield to SLHS
15 from Oakton to SLHS
All the others are 1 student.

TJ got 31 students from SLHS
Langley got 28 Students from SLHS
Oakton got 11 students from SHLS
The Herndon Map shows 13 transfers in, I think I misread the numbers. My apologies 1 from SLHS.
Westfield got 1 student from SLHS
Chantilly got 1 student from SLHS
Centreville got 1 student from SLHS

The tracker also said that a 1 doesn't necessarily mean 1, just that there was movement from that school to the other school but under 10. So probably more then 1 to the 4 schools listed with a 1.

158 students transfer from HHS to SLHS? Likely motivated students too.

And we wonder why the school is losing kids.

There are 134 kids at Hughes MS from Herndon MS. Presumably most are there for AAP.

So that translates to roughly 268 kids in high school, a large number of whom decide to stay in the South Lakes pyramid.

However, if those kids were at Herndon HS it would still have well over 400 vacant seats to accommodate kids living nearby but in another pyramid should the need arise.

So it’s mostly AAP kids? That’s a huge brain drain from HHS. Seems like if they want to beef up the school that’s the obvious place to start.

But on the flip side moving the transfers to South Lakes back to Herndon on top of the South Lakes kids moving to Skyview would be a huge brain drain from SLHS. If anything moving all these South Lakes kids to Skyview is an insurance policy for keeping IB at South Lakes since it becomes more dependent on the transfers for IB from Herndon to maintain its enrollment.

I think they have other plans for Herndon in a few years.

“Think” whatever you want but the fact is that there are 158 bright kids who transfer to South lakes even though they are in the HHS catchment area. Would infuriate a lot of folks to make boundary changes based on low enrollment when there is an existing open sieve at HHS.

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Anonymous wrote:June presentation is up.

One of key takeaways from previous scenarios:

"Families don't want split feeders."

I will say that these consultants run circles around Thru Consulting, but in some instances it looks like they got a heavy steer.

I've followed some of the boundary changes in MCPS and they are very transparent about the impact on FARMS rates and other demographics. FCPS and these consultants purport to ignore that completely, but then we can tell that, behind the scenes, poorer communities are treated as the low-hanging fruit to be reassigned to Westfield.

It's all a little bit hypocritical.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as South Lakes, I suspect that many of the "opt-ins" to Skyview were from Fox Mill. It will be interesting to see which base schools those kids are coming from. Has that been published? I bet there are some from other area schools that are not going to be "in boundary."

Does anyone know what the breakdown is?

Fox Mill and Floris kids at SLHS opted in. My kid reported kids from Hughes MS at the HS preview day for Skyview, so it wasn't just Fox Mill and Floris. I would guess that some where are 25 kids from FMES opted in this year. Keep in mond that FMES enrollment numbers are inflated by the JI program, so the kids going to SLHS from FMES is actually smaller then the enrollment at the school. It was probably roughly 50% of the 8th grade class from FMES opted in to Skyview. The Floris numbers at SLHS are pretty small as well. I am guessing the Hughes kids who opted in would be from Dogwood, maybe the kids who had been in the JI program at FMES.

I suspect that SLHS is also realizing that it is going to see an increase in the number of kids looking to pupil place to Skyview because it will be the closer AP school for lots of families. SLHS loses about 125 kids a year to Herndon for AP, that number might go up with an AP program at Skyview due to the difference in student bodies. Parents might be more comfortable pupil placing to a lower FARMs AP school then the higher FARMS AP school that had been the choice for most. And the SLHS community knows it. Some discussed it on Meren's FB posts.

According to the capacity dashboard only 13 kids transferred from South Lakes to Herndon this year (158 transferred from Herndon to South Lakes). When Skyview becomes an option for AP, the number of transfers out of South Lakes may increase substantially.

The SLHS map shows 157 SLHS students transferred out and 234 students transferred in.

158 Herndon to SLHS
35 Westfield to SLHS
15 from Oakton to SLHS
All the others are 1 student.

TJ got 31 students from SLHS
Langley got 28 Students from SLHS
Oakton got 11 students from SHLS
The Herndon Map shows 13 transfers in, I think I misread the numbers. My apologies 1 from SLHS.
Westfield got 1 student from SLHS
Chantilly got 1 student from SLHS
Centreville got 1 student from SLHS

The tracker also said that a 1 doesn't necessarily mean 1, just that there was movement from that school to the other school but under 10. So probably more then 1 to the 4 schools listed with a 1.

158 students transfer from HHS to SLHS? Likely motivated students too.

And we wonder why the school is losing kids.

There are 134 kids at Hughes MS from Herndon MS. Presumably most are there for AAP.

So that translates to roughly 268 kids in high school, a large number of whom decide to stay in the South Lakes pyramid.

However, if those kids were at Herndon HS it would still have well over 400 vacant seats to accommodate kids living nearby but in another pyramid should the need arise.

So it’s mostly AAP kids? That’s a huge brain drain from HHS. Seems like if they want to beef up the school that’s the obvious place to start.

But on the flip side moving the transfers to South Lakes back to Herndon on top of the South Lakes kids moving to Skyview would be a huge brain drain from SLHS. If anything moving all these South Lakes kids to Skyview is an insurance policy for keeping IB at South Lakes since it becomes more dependent on the transfers for IB from Herndon to maintain its enrollment.

I think they have other plans for Herndon in a few years.

“Think” whatever you want but the fact is that there are 158 bright kids who transfer to South lakes even though they are in the HHS catchment area. Would infuriate a lot of folks to make boundary changes based on low enrollment when there is an existing open sieve at HHS.

I don't think they'll make boundary changes based on low enrollment. They may make changes based on overcrowding and look to see where there is capacity.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as South Lakes, I suspect that many of the "opt-ins" to Skyview were from Fox Mill. It will be interesting to see which base schools those kids are coming from. Has that been published? I bet there are some from other area schools that are not going to be "in boundary."

Does anyone know what the breakdown is?

Fox Mill and Floris kids at SLHS opted in. My kid reported kids from Hughes MS at the HS preview day for Skyview, so it wasn't just Fox Mill and Floris. I would guess that some where are 25 kids from FMES opted in this year. Keep in mond that FMES enrollment numbers are inflated by the JI program, so the kids going to SLHS from FMES is actually smaller then the enrollment at the school. It was probably roughly 50% of the 8th grade class from FMES opted in to Skyview. The Floris numbers at SLHS are pretty small as well. I am guessing the Hughes kids who opted in would be from Dogwood, maybe the kids who had been in the JI program at FMES.

I suspect that SLHS is also realizing that it is going to see an increase in the number of kids looking to pupil place to Skyview because it will be the closer AP school for lots of families. SLHS loses about 125 kids a year to Herndon for AP, that number might go up with an AP program at Skyview due to the difference in student bodies. Parents might be more comfortable pupil placing to a lower FARMs AP school then the higher FARMS AP school that had been the choice for most. And the SLHS community knows it. Some discussed it on Meren's FB posts.

According to the capacity dashboard only 13 kids transferred from South Lakes to Herndon this year (158 transferred from Herndon to South Lakes). When Skyview becomes an option for AP, the number of transfers out of South Lakes may increase substantially.

No, Skyview won't have the capacity to take AP opt ins, South Lakes transfers will still go to Herndon.

Plan is for Skyview to have an eventual capacity of 2000. The latest plan redistricts under 1800 students to Skyview. So why won’t it have the capacity for pupil placement for AP or the pathways program?

It won't let in AP transfers. I didn't say anything about Pathways, you did.

I don't know what you're trying to say. Are you saying that if Skyview has 200 seats available for pupil placements, students wanting to transfer for the Pathways programs will receive priority over those seeking to transfer for AP?

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like they got a lot of negative feedback in the Westfield/Brookfield split area for the last scenarios, they are just choosing to ignore it.

Yep. They make such a big deal about how important it is to get feedback from less affluent communities and then, when they get it, they ignore it.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as South Lakes, I suspect that many of the "opt-ins" to Skyview were from Fox Mill. It will be interesting to see which base schools those kids are coming from. Has that been published? I bet there are some from other area schools that are not going to be "in boundary."

Does anyone know what the breakdown is?

Fox Mill and Floris kids at SLHS opted in. My kid reported kids from Hughes MS at the HS preview day for Skyview, so it wasn't just Fox Mill and Floris. I would guess that some where are 25 kids from FMES opted in this year. Keep in mond that FMES enrollment numbers are inflated by the JI program, so the kids going to SLHS from FMES is actually smaller then the enrollment at the school. It was probably roughly 50% of the 8th grade class from FMES opted in to Skyview. The Floris numbers at SLHS are pretty small as well. I am guessing the Hughes kids who opted in would be from Dogwood, maybe the kids who had been in the JI program at FMES.

I suspect that SLHS is also realizing that it is going to see an increase in the number of kids looking to pupil place to Skyview because it will be the closer AP school for lots of families. SLHS loses about 125 kids a year to Herndon for AP, that number might go up with an AP program at Skyview due to the difference in student bodies. Parents might be more comfortable pupil placing to a lower FARMs AP school then the higher FARMS AP school that had been the choice for most. And the SLHS community knows it. Some discussed it on Meren's FB posts.

According to the capacity dashboard only 13 kids transferred from South Lakes to Herndon this year (158 transferred from Herndon to South Lakes). When Skyview becomes an option for AP, the number of transfers out of South Lakes may increase substantially.

The SLHS map shows 157 SLHS students transferred out and 234 students transferred in.

158 Herndon to SLHS
35 Westfield to SLHS
15 from Oakton to SLHS
All the others are 1 student.

TJ got 31 students from SLHS
Langley got 28 Students from SLHS
Oakton got 11 students from SHLS
The Herndon Map shows 13 transfers in, I think I misread the numbers. My apologies 1 from SLHS.
Westfield got 1 student from SLHS
Chantilly got 1 student from SLHS
Centreville got 1 student from SLHS

The tracker also said that a 1 doesn't necessarily mean 1, just that there was movement from that school to the other school but under 10. So probably more then 1 to the 4 schools listed with a 1.

158 students transfer from HHS to SLHS? Likely motivated students too.

And we wonder why the school is losing kids.

There are 134 kids at Hughes MS from Herndon MS. Presumably most are there for AAP.

So that translates to roughly 268 kids in high school, a large number of whom decide to stay in the South Lakes pyramid.

However, if those kids were at Herndon HS it would still have well over 400 vacant seats to accommodate kids living nearby but in another pyramid should the need arise.

So it’s mostly AAP kids? That’s a huge brain drain from HHS. Seems like if they want to beef up the school that’s the obvious place to start.

But on the flip side moving the transfers to South Lakes back to Herndon on top of the South Lakes kids moving to Skyview would be a huge brain drain from SLHS. If anything moving all these South Lakes kids to Skyview is an insurance policy for keeping IB at South Lakes since it becomes more dependent on the transfers for IB from Herndon to maintain its enrollment.

I think they have other plans for Herndon in a few years.

“Think” whatever you want but the fact is that there are 158 bright kids who transfer to South lakes even though they are in the HHS catchment area. Would infuriate a lot of folks to make boundary changes based on low enrollment when there is an existing open sieve at HHS.

Rest assured, they have yet to make a recommendation like this. They might use Herndon transfers as an excuse to relieve capacity at South Lakes (as was done here.) Or make up a capacity crisis to drive a boundary change and then quietly update the numbers after the fact (Kilmer.) But they’ll never look at a school like Westfield, Herndon, Lewis, or Mount Vernon and ask themselves how they can fill empty seats. People who bought into “the good school” are well protected under Reid.

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Anonymous wrote:Bull Run really jumps out as the one they didn't fix with a very obvious solution.

Seema's not taking calls or answering emails from her Westfield constituents.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like they got a lot of negative feedback in the Westfield/Brookfield split area for the last scenarios, they are just choosing to ignore it.

Yep. They make such a big deal about how important it is to get feedback from less affluent communities and then, when they get it, they ignore it.

Yes that whole area is red, no green, and they didn't even mention the negative feedback in the slides.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as South Lakes, I suspect that many of the "opt-ins" to Skyview were from Fox Mill. It will be interesting to see which base schools those kids are coming from. Has that been published? I bet there are some from other area schools that are not going to be "in boundary."

Does anyone know what the breakdown is?

Fox Mill and Floris kids at SLHS opted in. My kid reported kids from Hughes MS at the HS preview day for Skyview, so it wasn't just Fox Mill and Floris. I would guess that some where are 25 kids from FMES opted in this year. Keep in mond that FMES enrollment numbers are inflated by the JI program, so the kids going to SLHS from FMES is actually smaller then the enrollment at the school. It was probably roughly 50% of the 8th grade class from FMES opted in to Skyview. The Floris numbers at SLHS are pretty small as well. I am guessing the Hughes kids who opted in would be from Dogwood, maybe the kids who had been in the JI program at FMES.

I suspect that SLHS is also realizing that it is going to see an increase in the number of kids looking to pupil place to Skyview because it will be the closer AP school for lots of families. SLHS loses about 125 kids a year to Herndon for AP, that number might go up with an AP program at Skyview due to the difference in student bodies. Parents might be more comfortable pupil placing to a lower FARMs AP school then the higher FARMS AP school that had been the choice for most. And the SLHS community knows it. Some discussed it on Meren's FB posts.

According to the capacity dashboard only 13 kids transferred from South Lakes to Herndon this year (158 transferred from Herndon to South Lakes). When Skyview becomes an option for AP, the number of transfers out of South Lakes may increase substantially.

No, Skyview won't have the capacity to take AP opt ins, South Lakes transfers will still go to Herndon.

Plan is for Skyview to have an eventual capacity of 2000. The latest plan redistricts under 1800 students to Skyview. So why won’t it have the capacity for pupil placement for AP or the pathways program?

It won't let in AP transfers. I didn't say anything about Pathways, you did.

I don't know what you're trying to say. Are you saying that if Skyview has 200 seats available for pupil placements, students wanting to transfer for the Pathways programs will receive priority over those seeking to transfer for AP?

What is your problem?? There are AP options all over the county but the Pathways will only be at one school. Think about it.

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I understand the location issues but once they do the AAP moves, they will have to move Lees Corner out of Franklin to Rocky Run.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as South Lakes, I suspect that many of the "opt-ins" to Skyview were from Fox Mill. It will be interesting to see which base schools those kids are coming from. Has that been published? I bet there are some from other area schools that are not going to be "in boundary."

Does anyone know what the breakdown is?

Fox Mill and Floris kids at SLHS opted in. My kid reported kids from Hughes MS at the HS preview day for Skyview, so it wasn't just Fox Mill and Floris. I would guess that some where are 25 kids from FMES opted in this year. Keep in mond that FMES enrollment numbers are inflated by the JI program, so the kids going to SLHS from FMES is actually smaller then the enrollment at the school. It was probably roughly 50% of the 8th grade class from FMES opted in to Skyview. The Floris numbers at SLHS are pretty small as well. I am guessing the Hughes kids who opted in would be from Dogwood, maybe the kids who had been in the JI program at FMES.

I suspect that SLHS is also realizing that it is going to see an increase in the number of kids looking to pupil place to Skyview because it will be the closer AP school for lots of families. SLHS loses about 125 kids a year to Herndon for AP, that number might go up with an AP program at Skyview due to the difference in student bodies. Parents might be more comfortable pupil placing to a lower FARMs AP school then the higher FARMS AP school that had been the choice for most. And the SLHS community knows it. Some discussed it on Meren's FB posts.

According to the capacity dashboard only 13 kids transferred from South Lakes to Herndon this year (158 transferred from Herndon to South Lakes). When Skyview becomes an option for AP, the number of transfers out of South Lakes may increase substantially.

No, Skyview won't have the capacity to take AP opt ins, South Lakes transfers will still go to Herndon.

Plan is for Skyview to have an eventual capacity of 2000. The latest plan redistricts under 1800 students to Skyview. So why won’t it have the capacity for pupil placement for AP or the pathways program?

It won't let in AP transfers. I didn't say anything about Pathways, you did.

I don't know what you're trying to say. Are you saying that if Skyview has 200 seats available for pupil placements, students wanting to transfer for the Pathways programs will receive priority over those seeking to transfer for AP?

What is your problem?? There are AP options all over the county but the Pathways will only be at one school. Think about it.

I've simply asked you to explain who you think can pupil place into Skyview assuming it has a capacity of 2000 and under 1800 kids living within the new boundary. You haven't quite managed to do that yet, at least not directly.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as South Lakes, I suspect that many of the "opt-ins" to Skyview were from Fox Mill. It will be interesting to see which base schools those kids are coming from. Has that been published? I bet there are some from other area schools that are not going to be "in boundary."

Does anyone know what the breakdown is?

Fox Mill and Floris kids at SLHS opted in. My kid reported kids from Hughes MS at the HS preview day for Skyview, so it wasn't just Fox Mill and Floris. I would guess that some where are 25 kids from FMES opted in this year. Keep in mond that FMES enrollment numbers are inflated by the JI program, so the kids going to SLHS from FMES is actually smaller then the enrollment at the school. It was probably roughly 50% of the 8th grade class from FMES opted in to Skyview. The Floris numbers at SLHS are pretty small as well. I am guessing the Hughes kids who opted in would be from Dogwood, maybe the kids who had been in the JI program at FMES.

I suspect that SLHS is also realizing that it is going to see an increase in the number of kids looking to pupil place to Skyview because it will be the closer AP school for lots of families. SLHS loses about 125 kids a year to Herndon for AP, that number might go up with an AP program at Skyview due to the difference in student bodies. Parents might be more comfortable pupil placing to a lower FARMs AP school then the higher FARMS AP school that had been the choice for most. And the SLHS community knows it. Some discussed it on Meren's FB posts.

According to the capacity dashboard only 13 kids transferred from South Lakes to Herndon this year (158 transferred from Herndon to South Lakes). When Skyview becomes an option for AP, the number of transfers out of South Lakes may increase substantially.

No, Skyview won't have the capacity to take AP opt ins, South Lakes transfers will still go to Herndon.

Plan is for Skyview to have an eventual capacity of 2000. The latest plan redistricts under 1800 students to Skyview. So why won’t it have the capacity for pupil placement for AP or the pathways program?

It won't let in AP transfers. I didn't say anything about Pathways, you did.

I don't know what you're trying to say. Are you saying that if Skyview has 200 seats available for pupil placements, students wanting to transfer for the Pathways programs will receive priority over those seeking to transfer for AP?

What is your problem?? There are AP options all over the county but the Pathways will only be at one school. Think about it.

I've simply asked you to explain who you think can pupil place into Skyview assuming it has a capacity of 2000 and under 1800 kids living within the new boundary. You haven't quite managed to do that yet, at least not directly.

South Lakes kids will be able to pupil place there for AP, they don't even need the pathways. The tool for pupil placement lists that schools that are closest to you and have space. Skyview is projected to be at 80something% full, meaning there will be space for kids. It will the closest AP school for many of the SLHS kids, which will allow them to pupil place for Skyview based on wanting AP. Others will pupil place for the pathways. Herndon kids could pupil place for the pathways. It will be interesting what the pupil placement patterns lookl like.

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Yes, Herndon will still be placing into SLHS for IB, but Skyview will now be the closest school to SLHS for AP.

Once Skyview is full, I guess Westfield?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, Herndon will still be placing into SLHS for IB, but Skyview will now be the closest school to SLHS for AP.

Once Skyview is full, I guess Westfield?

Nearest school after Skyview would have to be Herndon High for AP.