Woodward HS boundary study - BCC, Blair, Einstein, WJ, Kennedy, Northwood, Wheaton, Whitman impacts

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Anonymous wrote:There is also the accompanying regulation FAA-RA, which provides this helpful clarification, italics mine:

"This means that a key consideration is significant disparity in the demographic characteristics between schools in the affected geographic areas that cannot be justified by any other factor.

Therefore, any of the other three factors can justify disparities in demographic characteristics. In other words, the demographics factor is not the top priority.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

Ah yes, justified. With equity, almost anything an be justified. So it will depend how progressive the BOE is when they make the decision. For instance one BOE member said "once kids are on a bus, it doesn't matter how far that bus going."

And yet the proximity factor seems to be the one the BoE uses most.

That's because most of the studies were small in scale and didn't provide the kind of opportunity to do busing that this study and the Crown study will. At the end of the day, all I want is for people to know the history of the boundary policy and what was said when they changed it. That 8ncludes the underhanded way it was changed (without alerting the public). You seem to want people to think that there's no way anyone will be bused so they stop paying attention. Progressives have shown that you only care about democracy when it benefits you.

LOL that's completely false. It's because they prioritize proximity. You need to read the policy more carefully.

I read it very carefully. I also watched all the BOE videos where they discussed the need for the policy change so they could make schools more diverse. Because fo where people live, that will involve a fair amount of busing. They won't bus kids from Damascus to Spring rook but they will bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles or more if that's what it takes to make schools more diverse. And the boundary analysis shows that an overwhelming percentage of people don't want that.

There have been several examples already shared in which they could have, but in fact did not, bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles to make schools more diverse. Because that went against the proximity factor.

It's not that simple. The diversity delta probably want that great. But this study provides all sorts of opportunity for diversity busing. But let me ask, what's your motivation for continually saying that the BOE isn't going to do busing?

My motivation is to supply factual, recent information.

Ok, so talk about how dishonest BOE members altered the boundary policy (without notifying the public) to box future BOE members in to creating more diverse school boundaries (the superintendent's words, not mine).

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Anonymous wrote:There is also the accompanying regulation FAA-RA, which provides this helpful clarification, italics mine:

"This means that a key consideration is significant disparity in the demographic characteristics between schools in the affected geographic areas that cannot be justified by any other factor.

Therefore, any of the other three factors can justify disparities in demographic characteristics. In other words, the demographics factor is not the top priority.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

Ah yes, justified. With equity, almost anything an be justified. So it will depend how progressive the BOE is when they make the decision. For instance one BOE member said "once kids are on a bus, it doesn't matter how far that bus going."

And yet the proximity factor seems to be the one the BoE uses most.

That's because most of the studies were small in scale and didn't provide the kind of opportunity to do busing that this study and the Crown study will. At the end of the day, all I want is for people to know the history of the boundary policy and what was said when they changed it. That 8ncludes the underhanded way it was changed (without alerting the public). You seem to want people to think that there's no way anyone will be bused so they stop paying attention. Progressives have shown that you only care about democracy when it benefits you.

LOL that's completely false. It's because they prioritize proximity. You need to read the policy more carefully.

I read it very carefully. I also watched all the BOE videos where they discussed the need for the policy change so they could make schools more diverse. Because fo where people live, that will involve a fair amount of busing. They won't bus kids from Damascus to Spring rook but they will bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles or more if that's what it takes to make schools more diverse. And the boundary analysis shows that an overwhelming percentage of people don't want that.

There have been several examples already shared in which they could have, but in fact did not, bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles to make schools more diverse. Because that went against the proximity factor.

Yes, all four factors are equally important and they attempt to find a good balance.

As long as they especially strive to create more diverse schools through busing.

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Anonymous wrote:There is also the accompanying regulation FAA-RA, which provides this helpful clarification, italics mine:

"This means that a key consideration is significant disparity in the demographic characteristics between schools in the affected geographic areas that cannot be justified by any other factor.

Therefore, any of the other three factors can justify disparities in demographic characteristics. In other words, the demographics factor is not the top priority.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

Ah yes, justified. With equity, almost anything an be justified. So it will depend how progressive the BOE is when they make the decision. For instance one BOE member said "once kids are on a bus, it doesn't matter how far that bus going."

And yet the proximity factor seems to be the one the BoE uses most.

That's because most of the studies were small in scale and didn't provide the kind of opportunity to do busing that this study and the Crown study will. At the end of the day, all I want is for people to know the history of the boundary policy and what was said when they changed it. That 8ncludes the underhanded way it was changed (without alerting the public). You seem to want people to think that there's no way anyone will be bused so they stop paying attention. Progressives have shown that you only care about democracy when it benefits you.

LOL that's completely false. It's because they prioritize proximity. You need to read the policy more carefully.

I read it very carefully. I also watched all the BOE videos where they discussed the need for the policy change so they could make schools more diverse. Because fo where people live, that will involve a fair amount of busing. They won't bus kids from Damascus to Spring rook but they will bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles or more if that's what it takes to make schools more diverse. And the boundary analysis shows that an overwhelming percentage of people don't want that.

There have been several examples already shared in which they could have, but in fact did not, bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles to make schools more diverse. Because that went against the proximity factor.

It's not that simple. The diversity delta probably want that great. But this study provides all sorts of opportunity for diversity busing. But let me ask, what's your motivation for continually saying that the BOE isn't going to do busing?

My motivation is to supply factual, recent information.

You are not achieving your goal.

^^^whoops, responded to the wrong poster!

No. You got the right one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are pushing the whole thing back a year….

The poster has an imaginary busing fetish.

Is that a fetish about imaginary busing, or an imaginary fetish about busing? I think the former.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are pushing the whole thing back a year….

The poster has an imaginary busing fetish.

Is that a fetish about imaginary busing, or an imaginary fetish about busing? I think the former.

I know you just want to distract people from the diversity-first boundary policy that was altered by dishonest BOE members (without notifying the public) to box future BOE members in to busing.

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Who cars how the schools are broken up? All the dense low income housing is still where it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cars how the schools are broken up? All the dense low income housing is still where it is.

People at overcrowded schools care. That is the main catalyst for having to do boundary studies.

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Anonymous wrote:There is also the accompanying regulation FAA-RA, which provides this helpful clarification, italics mine:

"This means that a key consideration is significant disparity in the demographic characteristics between schools in the affected geographic areas that cannot be justified by any other factor.

Therefore, any of the other three factors can justify disparities in demographic characteristics. In other words, the demographics factor is not the top priority.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

Ah yes, justified. With equity, almost anything an be justified. So it will depend how progressive the BOE is when they make the decision. For instance one BOE member said "once kids are on a bus, it doesn't matter how far that bus going."

And yet the proximity factor seems to be the one the BoE uses most.

That's because most of the studies were small in scale and didn't provide the kind of opportunity to do busing that this study and the Crown study will. At the end of the day, all I want is for people to know the history of the boundary policy and what was said when they changed it. That 8ncludes the underhanded way it was changed (without alerting the public). You seem to want people to think that there's no way anyone will be bused so they stop paying attention. Progressives have shown that you only care about democracy when it benefits you.

LOL that's completely false. It's because they prioritize proximity. You need to read the policy more carefully.

I read it very carefully. I also watched all the BOE videos where they discussed the need for the policy change so they could make schools more diverse. Because fo where people live, that will involve a fair amount of busing. They won't bus kids from Damascus to Spring rook but they will bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles or more if that's what it takes to make schools more diverse. And the boundary analysis shows that an overwhelming percentage of people don't want that.

There have been several examples already shared in which they could have, but in fact did not, bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles to make schools more diverse. Because that went against the proximity factor.

Yes, all four factors are equally important and they attempt to find a good balance.

As long as they especially strive to create more diverse schools through busing.

No, you keep misrepresenting that phrase. They should just especially strive to have some options that create diverse student bodies. They will also have options that favor the other factors. If they luck out, there will be an option or two that advance several factors at once. Those are the ones most likely to be selected, not ones that are tilted toward just one factor at the expense of others.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cars how the schools are broken up? All the dense low income housing is still where it is.

People at overcrowded schools care. That is the main catalyst for having to do boundary studies.

People are going to care once they see the new diversity-first boundary maps that will bus their kids to schools far from home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is also the accompanying regulation FAA-RA, which provides this helpful clarification, italics mine:

"This means that a key consideration is significant disparity in the demographic characteristics between schools in the affected geographic areas that cannot be justified by any other factor.

Therefore, any of the other three factors can justify disparities in demographic characteristics. In other words, the demographics factor is not the top priority.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

Ah yes, justified. With equity, almost anything an be justified. So it will depend how progressive the BOE is when they make the decision. For instance one BOE member said "once kids are on a bus, it doesn't matter how far that bus going."

And yet the proximity factor seems to be the one the BoE uses most.

That's because most of the studies were small in scale and didn't provide the kind of opportunity to do busing that this study and the Crown study will. At the end of the day, all I want is for people to know the history of the boundary policy and what was said when they changed it. That 8ncludes the underhanded way it was changed (without alerting the public). You seem to want people to think that there's no way anyone will be bused so they stop paying attention. Progressives have shown that you only care about democracy when it benefits you.

LOL that's completely false. It's because they prioritize proximity. You need to read the policy more carefully.

I read it very carefully. I also watched all the BOE videos where they discussed the need for the policy change so they could make schools more diverse. Because fo where people live, that will involve a fair amount of busing. They won't bus kids from Damascus to Spring rook but they will bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles or more if that's what it takes to make schools more diverse. And the boundary analysis shows that an overwhelming percentage of people don't want that.

There have been several examples already shared in which they could have, but in fact did not, bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles to make schools more diverse. Because that went against the proximity factor.

Yes, all four factors are equally important and they attempt to find a good balance.

As long as they especially strive to create more diverse schools through busing.

No, you keep misrepresenting that phrase. They should just especially strive to have some options that create diverse student bodies. They will also have options that favor the other factors. If they luck out, there will be an option or two that advance several factors at once. Those are the ones most likely to be selected, not ones that are tilted toward just one factor at the expense of others.

This can only happen if people pay attention and make their voices heard like they did with the boundary analysis that overwhelmingly showed that they do not want busing. If east county progressives are the only one's giving inpit, the diversity bus is going to come for a lot of people's kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are pushing the whole thing back a year….

The poster has an imaginary busing fetish.

Is that a fetish about imaginary busing, or an imaginary fetish about busing? I think the former.

I know you just want to distract people from the diversity-first boundary policy that was altered by dishonest BOE members (without notifying the public) to box future BOE members in to busing.

Not pp, but can not believe there are over 100 pages of this BS:

1. Bussing will cost more $$$ that they don't have, so no, it won't be a priority

2. No board is bound by anything decided by a previous board, so that JOF got the word "especially" in there is irrelevant. The current board can do whatever they want

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t think “busing” is happening then please simply explain why Northwood HS has a boundary that literally abuts the physical campus of Blair and Springbrook? Why would students be forced to travel right past a closer school while on the way to a school that is farther away?

That one is easy. Northwood and Blair are so close to each other that their walk zones overlap. The students in South Four Corners are considered walkable to both schools.

You need to take another look at the boundary map before making such statements. Kids on the opposite side of Colesville Rd and University Blvd are not “walkable” to Northwood but they live right next door to Blair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are pushing the whole thing back a year….

The poster has an imaginary busing fetish.

Is that a fetish about imaginary busing, or an imaginary fetish about busing? I think the former.

I know you just want to distract people from the diversity-first boundary policy that was altered by dishonest BOE members (without notifying the public) to box future BOE members in to busing.

There's nothing "boxing" in the current BoE. They can change the policy or ignore the policy whenever they like. And if the voters tell them to do differently, they'll listen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t think “busing” is happening then please simply explain why Northwood HS has a boundary that literally abuts the physical campus of Blair and Springbrook? Why would students be forced to travel right past a closer school while on the way to a school that is farther away?

That one is easy. Northwood and Blair are so close to each other that their walk zones overlap. The students in South Four Corners are considered walkable to both schools.

You need to take another look at the boundary map before making such statements. Kids on the opposite side of Colesville Rd and University Blvd are not “walkable” to Northwood but they live right next door to Blair.

Of course they are. It's just over a mile walk. MCPS policy is that high schoolers can walk up to 2 miles.

Having said that, I agree that rezoning them to Blair would be a sensible option, but Blair is overcrowded and Northwood will be getting extra space, so I think rezoning people out of Blair will be the focus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are pushing the whole thing back a year….

The poster has an imaginary busing fetish.

Is that a fetish about imaginary busing, or an imaginary fetish about busing? I think the former.

I know you just want to distract people from the diversity-first boundary policy that was altered by dishonest BOE members (without notifying the public) to box future BOE members in to busing.

Not pp, but can not believe there are over 100 pages of this BS:

1. Bussing will cost more $$$ that they don't have, so no, it won't be a priority

2. No board is bound by anything decided by a previous board, so that JOF got the word "especially" in there is irrelevant. The current board can do whatever they want

1.MCPS has shown that it isn't afraid to spend million of dollars on nonsense and MoCo is more than happy to raise taxes to cover it. Besides, transportation is a tiny percentage of the school budget.

2. That's not what Jack Smith said as they debated elevating diversity in the boundary policy. He warned that doing so would box in future boards of education to decisions they might not want to make. But even if the current BOE wasn't boxed in (unfortunately it is), they could still do busing because the boundary policy at the very least encourages it. Do we really think the current board is any less nuts than the one that passed this policy?