Woodward HS boundary study - BCC, Blair, Einstein, WJ, Kennedy, Northwood, Wheaton, Whitman impacts

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Anonymous wrote:I think both sides a represented by only trolls at this point, at least for the last 40 or so pages

You say trolls. I say opposing interests. There are those who want busing and those who don't. The pro busing side is trying to convince everyone that busing won't happen so they should just go about their lives and not worry about it. The anti-busing side knows what the intent of the boundary policy changes and boundary analysis were because we watched the BOE meetings and heard the words of the BOE members themselves and we want the public to keep a close eye on this process. Which side sounds more democratic?

This is cray-cray bonkers.

Democracy does in darkness.

Dies! It DIES in darkness!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is also the accompanying regulation FAA-RA, which provides this helpful clarification, italics mine:

"This means that a key consideration is significant disparity in the demographic characteristics between schools in the affected geographic areas that cannot be justified by any other factor.

Therefore, any of the other three factors can justify disparities in demographic characteristics. In other words, the demographics factor is not the top priority.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

Ah yes, justified. With equity, almost anything an be justified. So it will depend how progressive the BOE is when they make the decision. For instance one BOE member said "once kids are on a bus, it doesn't matter how far that bus going."

And yet the proximity factor seems to be the one the BoE uses most.

That's because most of the studies were small in scale and didn't provide the kind of opportunity to do busing that this study and the Crown study will. At the end of the day, all I want is for people to know the history of the boundary policy and what was said when they changed it. That 8ncludes the underhanded way it was changed (without alerting the public). You seem to want people to think that there's no way anyone will be bused so they stop paying attention. Progressives have shown that you only care about democracy when it benefits you.

LOL that's completely false. It's because they prioritize proximity. You need to read the policy more carefully.

I read it very carefully. I also watched all the BOE videos where they discussed the need for the policy change so they could make schools more diverse. Because fo where people live, that will involve a fair amount of busing. They won't bus kids from Damascus to Spring rook but they will bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles or more if that's what it takes to make schools more diverse. And the boundary analysis shows that an overwhelming percentage of people don't want that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think both sides a represented by only trolls at this point, at least for the last 40 or so pages

The "both sides" here are:

on the one side: multiple posters living in reality
on the other side: one bananas poster living in 2018

2018 was the year some unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy to prioritize diversity without alerting the public....the same policy that will guide this and all future boundary studies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think both sides a represented by only trolls at this point, at least for the last 40 or so pages

The "both sides" here are:

on the one side: multiple posters living in reality
on the other side: one bananas poster living in 2018

2018 was the year some unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy to prioritize diversity without alerting the public....the same policy that will guide this and all future boundary studies.

I mean, those of us living in 2023 know that it didn't do what you (posting from 2018) says it would do. But keep on wasting your time on DCUM if it makes you happy, I guess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think both sides a represented by only trolls at this point, at least for the last 40 or so pages

The "both sides" here are:

on the one side: multiple posters living in reality
on the other side: one bananas poster living in 2018

2018 was the year some unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy to prioritize diversity without alerting the public....the same policy that will guide this and all future boundary studies.

I mean, those of us living in 2023 know that it didn't do what you (posting from 2018) says it would do. But keep on wasting your time on DCUM if it makes you happy, I guess.

It actually did. If you look at some of the boundary maps they're quite wonky and that was done for diversity. There are people in Clarksburg whose kids are now bused past several elementary schools. And that's in an area that's already quite diverse. This study OTOH, has all kids of opportunities for busing, so if the BOE is feeling particularly progressive, the boundary maps they make are going to be terrible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is also the accompanying regulation FAA-RA, which provides this helpful clarification, italics mine:

"This means that a key consideration is significant disparity in the demographic characteristics between schools in the affected geographic areas that cannot be justified by any other factor.

Therefore, any of the other three factors can justify disparities in demographic characteristics. In other words, the demographics factor is not the top priority.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

Ah yes, justified. With equity, almost anything an be justified. So it will depend how progressive the BOE is when they make the decision. For instance one BOE member said "once kids are on a bus, it doesn't matter how far that bus going."

And yet the proximity factor seems to be the one the BoE uses most.

That's because most of the studies were small in scale and didn't provide the kind of opportunity to do busing that this study and the Crown study will. At the end of the day, all I want is for people to know the history of the boundary policy and what was said when they changed it. That 8ncludes the underhanded way it was changed (without alerting the public). You seem to want people to think that there's no way anyone will be bused so they stop paying attention. Progressives have shown that you only care about democracy when it benefits you.

LOL that's completely false. It's because they prioritize proximity. You need to read the policy more carefully.

I read it very carefully. I also watched all the BOE videos where they discussed the need for the policy change so they could make schools more diverse. Because fo where people live, that will involve a fair amount of busing. They won't bus kids from Damascus to Spring rook but they will bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles or more if that's what it takes to make schools more diverse. And the boundary analysis shows that an overwhelming percentage of people don't want that.

There have been several examples already shared in which they could have, but in fact did not, bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles to make schools more diverse. Because that went against the proximity factor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is also the accompanying regulation FAA-RA, which provides this helpful clarification, italics mine:

"This means that a key consideration is significant disparity in the demographic characteristics between schools in the affected geographic areas that cannot be justified by any other factor.

Therefore, any of the other three factors can justify disparities in demographic characteristics. In other words, the demographics factor is not the top priority.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

Ah yes, justified. With equity, almost anything an be justified. So it will depend how progressive the BOE is when they make the decision. For instance one BOE member said "once kids are on a bus, it doesn't matter how far that bus going."

And yet the proximity factor seems to be the one the BoE uses most.

That's because most of the studies were small in scale and didn't provide the kind of opportunity to do busing that this study and the Crown study will. At the end of the day, all I want is for people to know the history of the boundary policy and what was said when they changed it. That 8ncludes the underhanded way it was changed (without alerting the public). You seem to want people to think that there's no way anyone will be bused so they stop paying attention. Progressives have shown that you only care about democracy when it benefits you.

LOL that's completely false. It's because they prioritize proximity. You need to read the policy more carefully.

I read it very carefully. I also watched all the BOE videos where they discussed the need for the policy change so they could make schools more diverse. Because fo where people live, that will involve a fair amount of busing. They won't bus kids from Damascus to Spring rook but they will bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles or more if that's what it takes to make schools more diverse. And the boundary analysis shows that an overwhelming percentage of people don't want that.

There have been several examples already shared in which they could have, but in fact did not, bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles to make schools more diverse. Because that went against the proximity factor.

It's not that simple. The diversity delta probably want that great. But this study provides all sorts of opportunity for diversity busing. But let me ask, what's your motivation for continually saying that the BOE isn't going to do busing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is also the accompanying regulation FAA-RA, which provides this helpful clarification, italics mine:

"This means that a key consideration is significant disparity in the demographic characteristics between schools in the affected geographic areas that cannot be justified by any other factor.

Therefore, any of the other three factors can justify disparities in demographic characteristics. In other words, the demographics factor is not the top priority.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

Ah yes, justified. With equity, almost anything an be justified. So it will depend how progressive the BOE is when they make the decision. For instance one BOE member said "once kids are on a bus, it doesn't matter how far that bus going."

And yet the proximity factor seems to be the one the BoE uses most.

That's because most of the studies were small in scale and didn't provide the kind of opportunity to do busing that this study and the Crown study will. At the end of the day, all I want is for people to know the history of the boundary policy and what was said when they changed it. That 8ncludes the underhanded way it was changed (without alerting the public). You seem to want people to think that there's no way anyone will be bused so they stop paying attention. Progressives have shown that you only care about democracy when it benefits you.

LOL that's completely false. It's because they prioritize proximity. You need to read the policy more carefully.

I read it very carefully. I also watched all the BOE videos where they discussed the need for the policy change so they could make schools more diverse. Because fo where people live, that will involve a fair amount of busing. They won't bus kids from Damascus to Spring rook but they will bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles or more if that's what it takes to make schools more diverse. And the boundary analysis shows that an overwhelming percentage of people don't want that.

There have been several examples already shared in which they could have, but in fact did not, bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles to make schools more diverse. Because that went against the proximity factor.

It's not that simple. The diversity delta probably want that great. But this study provides all sorts of opportunity for diversity busing. But let me ask, what's your motivation for continually saying that the BOE isn't going to do busing?

My motivation is to supply factual, recent information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think both sides a represented by only trolls at this point, at least for the last 40 or so pages

You say trolls. I say opposing interests. There are those who want busing and those who don't. The pro busing side is trying to convince everyone that busing won't happen so they should just go about their lives and not worry about it. The anti-busing side knows what the intent of the boundary policy changes and boundary analysis were because we watched the BOE meetings and heard the words of the BOE members themselves and we want the public to keep a close eye on this process. Which side sounds more democratic?

This is cray-cray bonkers.

Democracy does in darkness.

Character is what you are in the dark!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is also the accompanying regulation FAA-RA, which provides this helpful clarification, italics mine:

"This means that a key consideration is significant disparity in the demographic characteristics between schools in the affected geographic areas that cannot be justified by any other factor.

Therefore, any of the other three factors can justify disparities in demographic characteristics. In other words, the demographics factor is not the top priority.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

Ah yes, justified. With equity, almost anything an be justified. So it will depend how progressive the BOE is when they make the decision. For instance one BOE member said "once kids are on a bus, it doesn't matter how far that bus going."

And yet the proximity factor seems to be the one the BoE uses most.

That's because most of the studies were small in scale and didn't provide the kind of opportunity to do busing that this study and the Crown study will. At the end of the day, all I want is for people to know the history of the boundary policy and what was said when they changed it. That 8ncludes the underhanded way it was changed (without alerting the public). You seem to want people to think that there's no way anyone will be bused so they stop paying attention. Progressives have shown that you only care about democracy when it benefits you.

LOL that's completely false. It's because they prioritize proximity. You need to read the policy more carefully.

I read it very carefully. I also watched all the BOE videos where they discussed the need for the policy change so they could make schools more diverse. Because fo where people live, that will involve a fair amount of busing. They won't bus kids from Damascus to Spring rook but they will bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles or more if that's what it takes to make schools more diverse. And the boundary analysis shows that an overwhelming percentage of people don't want that.

There have been several examples already shared in which they could have, but in fact did not, bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles to make schools more diverse. Because that went against the proximity factor.

Yes, all four factors are equally important and they attempt to find a good balance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is also the accompanying regulation FAA-RA, which provides this helpful clarification, italics mine:

"This means that a key consideration is significant disparity in the demographic characteristics between schools in the affected geographic areas that cannot be justified by any other factor.

Therefore, any of the other three factors can justify disparities in demographic characteristics. In other words, the demographics factor is not the top priority.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

Ah yes, justified. With equity, almost anything an be justified. So it will depend how progressive the BOE is when they make the decision. For instance one BOE member said "once kids are on a bus, it doesn't matter how far that bus going."

And yet the proximity factor seems to be the one the BoE uses most.

That's because most of the studies were small in scale and didn't provide the kind of opportunity to do busing that this study and the Crown study will. At the end of the day, all I want is for people to know the history of the boundary policy and what was said when they changed it. That 8ncludes the underhanded way it was changed (without alerting the public). You seem to want people to think that there's no way anyone will be bused so they stop paying attention. Progressives have shown that you only care about democracy when it benefits you.

LOL that's completely false. It's because they prioritize proximity. You need to read the policy more carefully.

I read it very carefully. I also watched all the BOE videos where they discussed the need for the policy change so they could make schools more diverse. Because fo where people live, that will involve a fair amount of busing. They won't bus kids from Damascus to Spring rook but they will bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles or more if that's what it takes to make schools more diverse. And the boundary analysis shows that an overwhelming percentage of people don't want that.

There have been several examples already shared in which they could have, but in fact did not, bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles to make schools more diverse. Because that went against the proximity factor.

It's not that simple. The diversity delta probably want that great. But this study provides all sorts of opportunity for diversity busing. But let me ask, what's your motivation for continually saying that the BOE isn't going to do busing?

My motivation is to supply factual, recent information.

You are not achieving your goal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is also the accompanying regulation FAA-RA, which provides this helpful clarification, italics mine:

"This means that a key consideration is significant disparity in the demographic characteristics between schools in the affected geographic areas that cannot be justified by any other factor.

Therefore, any of the other three factors can justify disparities in demographic characteristics. In other words, the demographics factor is not the top priority.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

Ah yes, justified. With equity, almost anything an be justified. So it will depend how progressive the BOE is when they make the decision. For instance one BOE member said "once kids are on a bus, it doesn't matter how far that bus going."

And yet the proximity factor seems to be the one the BoE uses most.

That's because most of the studies were small in scale and didn't provide the kind of opportunity to do busing that this study and the Crown study will. At the end of the day, all I want is for people to know the history of the boundary policy and what was said when they changed it. That 8ncludes the underhanded way it was changed (without alerting the public). You seem to want people to think that there's no way anyone will be bused so they stop paying attention. Progressives have shown that you only care about democracy when it benefits you.

LOL that's completely false. It's because they prioritize proximity. You need to read the policy more carefully.

I read it very carefully. I also watched all the BOE videos where they discussed the need for the policy change so they could make schools more diverse. Because fo where people live, that will involve a fair amount of busing. They won't bus kids from Damascus to Spring rook but they will bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles or more if that's what it takes to make schools more diverse. And the boundary analysis shows that an overwhelming percentage of people don't want that.

There have been several examples already shared in which they could have, but in fact did not, bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles to make schools more diverse. Because that went against the proximity factor.

It's not that simple. The diversity delta probably want that great. But this study provides all sorts of opportunity for diversity busing. But let me ask, what's your motivation for continually saying that the BOE isn't going to do busing?

My motivation is to supply factual, recent information.

You are not achieving your goal.

^^^whoops, responded to the wrong poster!

[Anonymous]

They are pushing the whole thing back a year….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are pushing the whole thing back a year….

The poster has an imaginary busing fetish.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is also the accompanying regulation FAA-RA, which provides this helpful clarification, italics mine:

"This means that a key consideration is significant disparity in the demographic characteristics between schools in the affected geographic areas that cannot be justified by any other factor.

Therefore, any of the other three factors can justify disparities in demographic characteristics. In other words, the demographics factor is not the top priority.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

Ah yes, justified. With equity, almost anything an be justified. So it will depend how progressive the BOE is when they make the decision. For instance one BOE member said "once kids are on a bus, it doesn't matter how far that bus going."

And yet the proximity factor seems to be the one the BoE uses most.

That's because most of the studies were small in scale and didn't provide the kind of opportunity to do busing that this study and the Crown study will. At the end of the day, all I want is for people to know the history of the boundary policy and what was said when they changed it. That 8ncludes the underhanded way it was changed (without alerting the public). You seem to want people to think that there's no way anyone will be bused so they stop paying attention. Progressives have shown that you only care about democracy when it benefits you.

LOL that's completely false. It's because they prioritize proximity. You need to read the policy more carefully.

I read it very carefully. I also watched all the BOE videos where they discussed the need for the policy change so they could make schools more diverse. Because fo where people live, that will involve a fair amount of busing. They won't bus kids from Damascus to Spring rook but they will bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles or more if that's what it takes to make schools more diverse. And the boundary analysis shows that an overwhelming percentage of people don't want that.

There have been several examples already shared in which they could have, but in fact did not, bus kids an extra 3 or 5 miles to make schools more diverse. Because that went against the proximity factor.

It's not that simple. The diversity delta probably want that great. But this study provides all sorts of opportunity for diversity busing. But let me ask, what's your motivation for continually saying that the BOE isn't going to do busing?

My motivation is to supply factual, recent information.

No fair! I can't scare people that way!