What happened to this California family?

[Anonymous]

FA makes no sense—if you’re going to off yourself you do it at the nice place by the river. You don’t force yourself to walk uphill for 4 miles in 100 degree heat before offing yourself. That’s ridiculous.

They closed the trials because they don’t want a bunch of press or looky loos getting stuck on a very dangerous trail during heat wave conditions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FA makes no sense—if you’re going to off yourself you do it at the nice place by the river. You don’t force yourself to walk uphill for 4 miles in 100 degree heat before offing yourself. That’s ridiculous.

They closed the trials because they don’t want a bunch of press or looky loos getting stuck on a very dangerous trail during heat wave conditions.

There hasn't been a day over 100 degrees since they took their hike. There has not been a "heat wave."

[Anonymous]

It’s called Devil’s Gulch? Isn’t it implicit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s called Devil’s Gulch? Isn’t it implicit?

And now we are back to eViL sPIrIts again.

[Anonymous]

Toxicology reports could be back tomorrow per CNN.

[Anonymous]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/09/01/us/yosemite-campgrounds-closed-family-death-trnd/index.html

In this latest article updated today, the sheriff said the family was well prepared for the hike. Toxicology maybe available tomorrow.

[Anonymous]

I went to the Mariposa Sheriff website to see if there was any announcements. It led me to their Facebook page which has an interesting discussion thread. Locals talking about what possibly happened. Someone said there are illegal grows, and trip lines to protect them. If any of the family accidentally stepped on it, chemicals will spray on them. Not sure how true that is. Then this is waa sweet post by a realtor that helped Jon find his home.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4617475074943708&id=152897558068171&m_entstream_source=timeline&__tn__=%2As%2As-R

[Anonymous]

Reading the comments from friends in the two PP links leads me to think it wasn’t FA. They seemed to love their baby and life and new home in Mariposa. They bought a lot of vacation rentals too. Doesn’t seem like the actions of someone not living for the future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reading the comments from friends in the two PP links leads me to think it wasn’t FA. They seemed to love their baby and life and new home in Mariposa. They bought a lot of vacation rentals too. Doesn’t seem like the actions of someone not living for the future.

Not one of the FA theories on here make a lick of sense given what we know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok... New theory.
So, it's an 8 mile hike. Say around mile 5 mom starts to get heat exhaustion. Tried, dizzy, nauseous. Pretty soon she's weak and/or passes out.
It's still quickest to keep going, so, Dad has to support or carry mom along with baby.
Eventually, say around mile 6, he can't support them both, (or she fully passes out).
So, he sets down the baby in the pack, carries mom 100 yards, sets her down, goes back, carries baby to mom. Sets down baby, carries mom another hundred yards, goes back for baby. A half mile of that he's exhausted, he sets mom down, goes to get baby
Sits down next to baby to rest and succumbs to heat stroke.

That would explain placement and different times to succumb to heat stroke.

Ugghh, writing this out sounds awful.i think murder suicide. Would be a better way to go..

This is compelling.

No, it's bizarre, ghoulish, and makes no sense, given the facts.

Yeah. I don’t know why people think heatstroke is unbelievable. It makes the most sense. Simplest explanation. No more bizarre than their decision to do this hike in these conditions in the first place.

Heat stroke is unbelievable because the officials who are there do not believe it. I'm not going to second guess them.

They’ve never said it isn’t. They need to rule out other things first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I went to the Mariposa Sheriff website to see if there was any announcements. It led me to their Facebook page which has an interesting discussion thread. Locals talking about what possibly happened. Someone said there are illegal grows, and trip lines to protect them. If any of the family accidentally stepped on it, chemicals will spray on them. Not sure how true that is. Then this is waa sweet post by a realtor that helped Jon find his home.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4617475074943708&id=152897558068171&m_entstream_source=timeline&__tn__=%2As%2As-R

I saw that one of the posters there suggested the sheriff who has been investigating was taking kickbacks from the drug cartels! It seems quite outlandish to think the area is booby-trapped with trip wires that spray dangerous chemicals, particularly since this is a moderately well-traveled path in the cooler months. That would certainly explain why they’d want to close the park and all the nearby trails, though!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok... New theory.
So, it's an 8 mile hike. Say around mile 5 mom starts to get heat exhaustion. Tried, dizzy, nauseous. Pretty soon she's weak and/or passes out.
It's still quickest to keep going, so, Dad has to support or carry mom along with baby.
Eventually, say around mile 6, he can't support them both, (or she fully passes out).
So, he sets down the baby in the pack, carries mom 100 yards, sets her down, goes back, carries baby to mom. Sets down baby, carries mom another hundred yards, goes back for baby. A half mile of that he's exhausted, he sets mom down, goes to get baby
Sits down next to baby to rest and succumbs to heat stroke.

That would explain placement and different times to succumb to heat stroke.

Ugghh, writing this out sounds awful.i think murder suicide. Would be a better way to go..

This is compelling.

No, it's bizarre, ghoulish, and makes no sense, given the facts.

Yeah. I don’t know why people think heatstroke is unbelievable. It makes the most sense. Simplest explanation. No more bizarre than their decision to do this hike in these conditions in the first place.

Heat stroke is unbelievable because the officials who are there do not believe it. I'm not going to second guess them.

No the officials who are there are just doing their job which is to explore/rule out all possibilities. That doesn’t mean they don’t believe it was heat stroke.

The park officials didn't close the forest including trails and picnic areas because of heat stroke.

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No, apparently they tested some water and found toxic algae, but as yet there’s no indication that that played any role. They may be unrelated - like when people go to the ER after a car crash and the scanner picks up cancer.

Honestly, after watching last years insanity with playgrounds around here closed all summer 2020 despite the early knowledge that covid didn’t really spread outdoors, I no longer assume that actions taken in response to potential threats are always proportionate. Even closing for algae found in a single spot seems kind of nuts for a trail that’s currently in little use. It only makes sense if they think there were major hazards on the trail itself that couldn’t be avoided with a warning. And they haven’t said anything like that.

[Anonymous]

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No, apparently they tested some water and found toxic algae, but as yet there’s no indication that that played any role. They may be unrelated - like when people go to the ER after a car crash and the scanner picks up cancer.

Honestly, after watching last years insanity with playgrounds around here closed all summer 2020 despite the early knowledge that covid didn’t really spread outdoors, I no longer assume that actions taken in response to potential threats are always proportionate. Even closing for algae found in a single spot seems kind of nuts for a trail that’s currently in little use. It only makes sense if they think there were major hazards on the trail itself that couldn’t be avoided with a warning. And they haven’t said anything like that.

The toxic algae was already known and warning signs were already posted. You're "apparently" is inaccurate. It's good to see that you've moved on from blaming the family or accusing them of murder suicide.

[Anonymous]

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No, apparently they tested some water and found toxic algae, but as yet there’s no indication that that played any role. They may be unrelated - like when people go to the ER after a car crash and the scanner picks up cancer.

Honestly, after watching last years insanity with playgrounds around here closed all summer 2020 despite the early knowledge that covid didn’t really spread outdoors, I no longer assume that actions taken in response to potential threats are always proportionate. Even closing for algae found in a single spot seems kind of nuts for a trail that’s currently in little use. It only makes sense if they think there were major hazards on the trail itself that couldn’t be avoided with a warning. And they haven’t said anything like that.

The toxic algae was already known and warning signs were already posted. You're "apparently" is inaccurate. It's good to see that you've moved on from blaming the family or accusing them of murder suicide.

These are scores of us posting here, PP. You are not the thread police. If you don’t like this thread, move along.

[Anonymous]

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No, apparently they tested some water and found toxic algae, but as yet there’s no indication that that played any role. They may be unrelated - like when people go to the ER after a car crash and the scanner picks up cancer.

Honestly, after watching last years insanity with playgrounds around here closed all summer 2020 despite the early knowledge that covid didn’t really spread outdoors, I no longer assume that actions taken in response to potential threats are always proportionate. Even closing for algae found in a single spot seems kind of nuts for a trail that’s currently in little use. It only makes sense if they think there were major hazards on the trail itself that couldn’t be avoided with a warning. And they haven’t said anything like that.

The toxic algae was already known and warning signs were already posted. You're "apparently" is inaccurate. It's good to see that you've moved on from blaming the family or accusing them of murder suicide.

These are scores of us posting here, PP. You are not the thread police. If you don’t like this thread, move along.

I was serious. It's good to see.