So how many IB are going to really be at Hardy?

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Anonymous wrote:As expected, IB percentage is going up, albeit slowly. It will go up again next year, and a bit again as the first of my kids joins in 2 years. We are 100 percent onboard with Hardy, as is a large chunk of our cohort at Stoddert.

If Stoddert is, as you say, "on board," why do parents at Mann and Key consider Hardy toxic?

I am a parent of a current 5th grader at Stoddert, and completely disagree with the comment from above about "a large chunk" of the cohort being on board with Stoddert. Our DC will be attending private school next year, along with many others, to avoid Hardy.

Troll. There are no current 5th graders at hardy going private in 6th. Shows how little you know about how things work around here.

Please read more carefully -- the current fifth graders being discussed are at Stoddert, not Hardy

One hopes that the PP did not learn reading comprehension at Hardy.

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Anonymous wrote:I am sure Pride is disappointed along with a lot of IB parents who had high hopes.

What is disappointing? The % IB increased from 11% to 15% in one year. Considering that that was all in the 6th grade. that is a 12% increase in the 6th grade - or about 16 new IB kids. That's a pretty good number, especially considering that last year was the first year that Pride was there to actively recruit parents, and had already lost a lot of kids who never even made it to 5th grade because they bailed for charters. If she continues making this kind of progress, I would expect Hardy to hit its tipping point within 2 years.

So how many IB kids, total, are in 6th grade this year? The school-wide increase is due solely to the increase in 6th grade enrollees; but DCPS does not provide the per-grade numbers (not surprised. morons.). It would be nice to know the rate of increase in the slope.

10:27 gave you the information you need.

Given that so much misinformation has been presented as fact in this thread I'd be very careful believing anyone's unsourced assertions.

Nothing has been publicly released about the grade composition of Hardy. IB last year was 13%, this year it's 15%. With a reported enrollment of 386 that means a move from 50 to 58, give or take rounding. That's not nothing, it's a 16% increase, but on the other hand it's eight kids. How those kids are distributed is crucial, but we don't know. If last year there were three grades, each with 16-17 IB kids, and this year the sixth grade has 25 and 7th and 8th still have 16, that's a big change. If this year each grade has 18-19 instead of 16-17 that's less of an indicator.

But we don't know.

Those of us at Hardy know - there were zero new IB kids in 7th and 8th grades. All of the increase was in the 6th grade.

I'm IB for Hardy and I have a neighbor who moved in last fall and sent their 7th grader to Hardy. So there's at least one.

[Anonymous]

People are really using the statistics here to tell the story they want to hear. I am actually very impressed by these numbers and here is why:

First the reported number is 15% "in-boundary based on where the student lives" not just feeder school. Now there is certainly another whole argument to be made regarding the inference that IB is better than OB students. I for one don't think it is a predictor of the quality of the students but to forgo that argument lets just say it is about creating a "neighborhood school" more IB kids helps to create this environment.

Lets look at the facts:

If the IB students were equally distributed amongst the grades (which anyone that has actually visited the school can tell you it is HEAVILY weighted toward 6th grade) and the grades were equal size there would be approximately 19 IB students in each grade.

The CY population of 5th graders at all four feeder schools is 108 students (excluding Eaton as it has feeder rights to Deal currently). Since I don't have last years numbers, which the 15% is based on, I will use the CY numbers (although LY 5th grade population was much less). This means 17.7% of the total population of feeder school 5th graders choose Hardy if they all had IB addresses for Hardy. Since we know for instance Hyde-Addison has only a 41% IB population you could certainly make the assumption that the actual % of the 5th grade feeder school population choosing Hardy is much higher than 17.7%. Since we don't know the number though lets continue with the 17.7% figure

Now the CY 4th grade population at the four feeder schools is 212 (again excluding Eaton). Each feeder school is adding a 5th grade class to accommodate this increase. If the same % of the 5th grade feeder school population goes to hardy you now have a 6th grade class with 38 kids. Now when you add Eaton to the mix, which currently has a 5th grade population of 70 students, without changing the percentage or population in the other feeder schools you have a 50 student IB population.

When you take this into account and the fact that the IB Composition changes each time the classed move up through the school. I think Hardy has a VERY STRONG future. As number of IB students choosing Hardy increase the % adoption rate of 5th graders choosing Hardy will move up substantially so this is very conservative.

I am excited for Hardy and believe in 2 - 3 years it will be the premier middle school in DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People are really using the statistics here to tell the story they want to hear. I am actually very impressed by these numbers and here is why:

First the reported number is 15% "in-boundary based on where the student lives" not just feeder school. Now there is certainly another whole argument to be made regarding the inference that IB is better than OB students. I for one don't think it is a predictor of the quality of the students but to forgo that argument lets just say it is about creating a "neighborhood school" more IB kids helps to create this environment.

Lets look at the facts:

If the IB students were equally distributed amongst the grades (which anyone that has actually visited the school can tell you it is HEAVILY weighted toward 6th grade) and the grades were equal size there would be approximately 19 IB students in each grade.

The CY population of 5th graders at all four feeder schools is 108 students (excluding Eaton as it has feeder rights to Deal currently). Since I don't have last years numbers, which the 15% is based on, I will use the CY numbers (although LY 5th grade population was much less). This means 17.7% of the total population of feeder school 5th graders choose Hardy if they all had IB addresses for Hardy. Since we know for instance Hyde-Addison has only a 41% IB population you could certainly make the assumption that the actual % of the 5th grade feeder school population choosing Hardy is much higher than 17.7%. Since we don't know the number though lets continue with the 17.7% figure

Now the CY 4th grade population at the four feeder schools is 212 (again excluding Eaton). Each feeder school is adding a 5th grade class to accommodate this increase. If the same % of the 5th grade feeder school population goes to hardy you now have a 6th grade class with 38 kids. Now when you add Eaton to the mix, which currently has a 5th grade population of 70 students, without changing the percentage or population in the other feeder schools you have a 50 student IB population.

When you take this into account and the fact that the IB Composition changes each time the classed move up through the school. I think Hardy has a VERY STRONG future. As number of IB students choosing Hardy increase the % adoption rate of 5th graders choosing Hardy will move up substantially so this is very conservative.

I am excited for Hardy and believe in 2 - 3 years it will be the premier middle school in DC.

The premier middle school in DC? Hardy??

Hardly!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People are really using the statistics here to tell the story they want to hear. I am actually very impressed by these numbers and here is why:

First the reported number is 15% "in-boundary based on where the student lives" not just feeder school. Now there is certainly another whole argument to be made regarding the inference that IB is better than OB students. I for one don't think it is a predictor of the quality of the students but to forgo that argument lets just say it is about creating a "neighborhood school" more IB kids helps to create this environment.

Lets look at the facts:

If the IB students were equally distributed amongst the grades (which anyone that has actually visited the school can tell you it is HEAVILY weighted toward 6th grade) and the grades were equal size there would be approximately 19 IB students in each grade.

The CY population of 5th graders at all four feeder schools is 108 students (excluding Eaton as it has feeder rights to Deal currently). Since I don't have last years numbers, which the 15% is based on, I will use the CY numbers (although LY 5th grade population was much less). This means 17.7% of the total population of feeder school 5th graders choose Hardy if they all had IB addresses for Hardy. Since we know for instance Hyde-Addison has only a 41% IB population you could certainly make the assumption that the actual % of the 5th grade feeder school population choosing Hardy is much higher than 17.7%. Since we don't know the number though lets continue with the 17.7% figure

Now the CY 4th grade population at the four feeder schools is 212 (again excluding Eaton). Each feeder school is adding a 5th grade class to accommodate this increase. If the same % of the 5th grade feeder school population goes to hardy you now have a 6th grade class with 38 kids. Now when you add Eaton to the mix, which currently has a 5th grade population of 70 students, without changing the percentage or population in the other feeder schools you have a 50 student IB population.

When you take this into account and the fact that the IB Composition changes each time the classed move up through the school. I think Hardy has a VERY STRONG future. As number of IB students choosing Hardy increase the % adoption rate of 5th graders choosing Hardy will move up substantially so this is very conservative.

I am excited for Hardy and believe in 2 - 3 years it will be the premier middle school in DC.

The premier middle school in DC? Hardy??

Hardly!

Don't burst their bubble. Maybe it will come to pass, maybe it won't. But it's not a zero sum game.

Personally I'm rooting for Hardy, Basis, Latin, Brookland, Deal, SH, Jefferson, McKinley and all the other middle schools to improve. Those are tough years for kids and we need as many good public middle schools as we can get.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People are really using the statistics here to tell the story they want to hear. I am actually very impressed by these numbers and here is why:

First the reported number is 15% "in-boundary based on where the student lives" not just feeder school. Now there is certainly another whole argument to be made regarding the inference that IB is better than OB students. I for one don't think it is a predictor of the quality of the students but to forgo that argument lets just say it is about creating a "neighborhood school" more IB kids helps to create this environment.

Lets look at the facts:

If the IB students were equally distributed amongst the grades (which anyone that has actually visited the school can tell you it is HEAVILY weighted toward 6th grade) and the grades were equal size there would be approximately 19 IB students in each grade.

The CY population of 5th graders at all four feeder schools is 108 students (excluding Eaton as it has feeder rights to Deal currently). Since I don't have last years numbers, which the 15% is based on, I will use the CY numbers (although LY 5th grade population was much less). This means 17.7% of the total population of feeder school 5th graders choose Hardy if they all had IB addresses for Hardy. Since we know for instance Hyde-Addison has only a 41% IB population you could certainly make the assumption that the actual % of the 5th grade feeder school population choosing Hardy is much higher than 17.7%. Since we don't know the number though lets continue with the 17.7% figure

Now the CY 4th grade population at the four feeder schools is 212 (again excluding Eaton). Each feeder school is adding a 5th grade class to accommodate this increase. If the same % of the 5th grade feeder school population goes to hardy you now have a 6th grade class with 38 kids. Now when you add Eaton to the mix, which currently has a 5th grade population of 70 students, without changing the percentage or population in the other feeder schools you have a 50 student IB population.

When you take this into account and the fact that the IB Composition changes each time the classed move up through the school. I think Hardy has a VERY STRONG future. As number of IB students choosing Hardy increase the % adoption rate of 5th graders choosing Hardy will move up substantially so this is very conservative.

I am excited for Hardy and believe in 2 - 3 years it will be the premier middle school in DC.

You make some big assumptions. Not all feeders are adding an additional 5th grade. Ours isn't. If they do make room for more 5th graders it will be to keep class sizes extremely small-- so you will have 3 classes less than 20 rather than 2 classes of 20. Also you are assuming that the Eatin parents will 1.) pick Hardy and 2.) buck the Hardy feeder trend of losing kids in 5th grade.

I think we will have to wait and see in that. I was disappointed in the few IB kids who choose Hardy last year. I know they weren't all 6th graders. In our feeder I dint see anything changing for at least 3 years. Our 2nd grade parents are already talking about charter numbers and waitlists plus who has sibling preference etc.

[Anonymous]

Again here are some numbers:

Hyde-Addison - CY 5th grade: 29 students, CY 4th grade: 53, 82% increase in class size
Key - CY 5th grade: 36 students, CY 4th grade: 56 Students, 55% increase in class size
Mann - CY 5th Grade: 18 students, CY 4th Grade: 43 students, 138% increase in class size
Stoddert - CY 5th grade: 25 students, CY 4th grade: 60 students, 140% increase in class size
Eaton - CY 5th grade: 66 Students, CY 4th grade students: 70 students, 6% increase

Either there will be additional 5th grade classes (which I have been told there will be) or class sizes in these schools will be huge.


As an Eaton parent with a kid in 2nd grade I can say I believe you are going to see a large number of Eaton kids at Hardy when our class is going to 6th grade (the 1st year we don't have Deal feeder rights). I will also say that there are a lot of parents in our school considering early adoption and choosing Hardy over Deal. This is not to knock Deal. It is a great school as well, however, a school that size is not for everyone and it is only going to get bigger.

I encourage you to go visit Hardy. Talk to Trish Pride and meet with the parents and students. I think you will be impressed.

If you don't want to send your kid to Hardy that is fine. I am sure we are all just trying to provide the best educational experience for our children. With that said look at the under lying numbers. Hardy has strong leadership, has great educators, expanding offerings, and a growing community. It is headed toward success. This is something everyone in DC should cheer and support. More strong Middle School options in DC is good for everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again here are some numbers:

Hyde-Addison - CY 5th grade: 29 students, CY 4th grade: 53, 82% increase in class size
Key - CY 5th grade: 36 students, CY 4th grade: 56 Students, 55% increase in class size
Mann - CY 5th Grade: 18 students, CY 4th Grade: 43 students, 138% increase in class size
Stoddert - CY 5th grade: 25 students, CY 4th grade: 60 students, 140% increase in class size
Eaton - CY 5th grade: 66 Students, CY 4th grade students: 70 students, 6% increase

Either there will be additional 5th grade classes (which I have been told there will be) or class sizes in these schools will be huge.


As an Eaton parent with a kid in 2nd grade I can say I believe you are going to see a large number of Eaton kids at Hardy when our class is going to 6th grade (the 1st year we don't have Deal feeder rights). I will also say that there are a lot of parents in our school considering early adoption and choosing Hardy over Deal. This is not to knock Deal. It is a great school as well, however, a school that size is not for everyone and it is only going to get bigger.

I encourage you to go visit Hardy. Talk to Trish Pride and meet with the parents and students. I think you will be impressed.

If you don't want to send your kid to Hardy that is fine. I am sure we are all just trying to provide the best educational experience for our children. With that said look at the under lying numbers. Hardy has strong leadership, has great educators, expanding offerings, and a growing community. It is headed toward success. This is something everyone in DC should cheer and support. More strong Middle School options in DC is good for everyone.

I'm a John Eaton parent as well. The parents I know are all glum about Hardy. We're all thinking about charters or private schools (for those who can stretch). Some may bail before the end of 5th grade if an admission opportunity arises, which would be really sad. The only parents I know who are ok with this live in certain favored EOTP neighborhoods where Bowser has maintained independent direct feeder rights to Deal, so they have no worries. For several years, Eaton families had the choice of opting for Hardy over Deal, and basically no one took it. So one is smoking something seriously strong to believe that Eaton families will embrace Hardy now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again here are some numbers:

Hyde-Addison - CY 5th grade: 29 students, CY 4th grade: 53, 82% increase in class size
Key - CY 5th grade: 36 students, CY 4th grade: 56 Students, 55% increase in class size
Mann - CY 5th Grade: 18 students, CY 4th Grade: 43 students, 138% increase in class size
Stoddert - CY 5th grade: 25 students, CY 4th grade: 60 students, 140% increase in class size
Eaton - CY 5th grade: 66 Students, CY 4th grade students: 70 students, 6% increase

Either there will be additional 5th grade classes (which I have been told there will be) or class sizes in these schools will be huge.


As an Eaton parent with a kid in 2nd grade I can say I believe you are going to see a large number of Eaton kids at Hardy when our class is going to 6th grade (the 1st year we don't have Deal feeder rights). I will also say that there are a lot of parents in our school considering early adoption and choosing Hardy over Deal. This is not to knock Deal. It is a great school as well, however, a school that size is not for everyone and it is only going to get bigger.

I encourage you to go visit Hardy. Talk to Trish Pride and meet with the parents and students. I think you will be impressed.

If you don't want to send your kid to Hardy that is fine. I am sure we are all just trying to provide the best educational experience for our children. With that said look at the under lying numbers. Hardy has strong leadership, has great educators, expanding offerings, and a growing community. It is headed toward success. This is something everyone in DC should cheer and support. More strong Middle School options in DC is good for everyone.

Or at schools like key, 20 4th graders will depart. I know at least 6 3 rd graders who are not retuning.

[Anonymous]

You could have 60% attrition off those 4th grade numbers and the 6th grade class at Hardy would be 100% in-bounds. I expect attrition will be > 60%, but I also expect the IB % will continue to rise.

[Anonymous]

If you know a precocious, current DCPS student in grades 5, 6, or 7 who is rising into the next grade this year who could use some additional academic challenge and enrichment this summer you may want to consider the FREE DCPS/University of Connecticut Summer Enrichment Program that will be held in July. Half days, Monday-Friday at Hardy MS and Stuart-Hobson MS, with competitive application. This is the second year of the summer partnership between DCPS and the University of Connecticut's Neag Center for Gifted Education and Talent Development. (Home of Dr. Joseph Renzulli, key leader in the field of gifted education/education psychology and the Schoolwide Enrichment Model "SEM".)

See link for the student application below:

http://dcps.dc.gov/DCPS/Files/downloads/Beyond-the...udent%20Application%202015.pdf

[Anonymous]

You are not going to have 60% attrition from 4th grade. Attrition typically takes place in 3rd grade.

To the other Eaton Parent. There are definitely some parents that wish we still had Deal forever, although, to classify this as the whole school is inaccurate. We are WOTP, in bound parents and are looking forward to Hardy and many in my neighborhood are doing the same.

It will take a while for the perception of Hardy to change. With that said we will be one of the families working toward that change. I am a strong supporter of Public Schools and I think Hardy will be a great option and that is good for everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are not going to have 60% attrition from 4th grade. Attrition typically takes place in 3rd grade.

To the other Eaton Parent. There are definitely some parents that wish we still had Deal forever, although, to classify this as the whole school is inaccurate. We are WOTP, in bound parents and are looking forward to Hardy and many in my neighborhood are doing the same.

It will take a while for the perception of Hardy to change. With that said we will be one of the families working toward that change. I am a strong supporter of Public Schools and I think Hardy will be a great option and that is good for everyone.

Not true. With the rise of Latin and BASIS there is plenty of attrition between 4th and 5th. In our Hardy feeder I don't know any IB student staying for 5th. If they stuck out in the lottery/private they will go the BASIS.

Why is the poster with the numbers assuming this year will be different from last year?

[Anonymous]

I should have added that Field recently added 6th grade due to demand. In the last few years even the kids who stayed for 5th had a place to go besides Hardy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People are really using the statistics here to tell the story they want to hear. I am actually very impressed by these numbers and here is why:

First the reported number is 15% "in-boundary based on where the student lives" not just feeder school. Now there is certainly another whole argument to be made regarding the inference that IB is better than OB students. I for one don't think it is a predictor of the quality of the students but to forgo that argument lets just say it is about creating a "neighborhood school" more IB kids helps to create this environment.

Lets look at the facts:

If the IB students were equally distributed amongst the grades (which anyone that has actually visited the school can tell you it is HEAVILY weighted toward 6th grade) and the grades were equal size there would be approximately 19 IB students in each grade.

The CY population of 5th graders at all four feeder schools is 108 students (excluding Eaton as it has feeder rights to Deal currently). Since I don't have last years numbers, which the 15% is based on, I will use the CY numbers (although LY 5th grade population was much less). This means 17.7% of the total population of feeder school 5th graders choose Hardy if they all had IB addresses for Hardy. Since we know for instance Hyde-Addison has only a 41% IB population you could certainly make the assumption that the actual % of the 5th grade feeder school population choosing Hardy is much higher than 17.7%. Since we don't know the number though lets continue with the 17.7% figure

OMG what a joke PP! You are on crack!

Now the CY 4th grade population at the four feeder schools is 212 (again excluding Eaton). Each feeder school is adding a 5th grade class to accommodate this increase. If the same % of the 5th grade feeder school population goes to hardy you now have a 6th grade class with 38 kids. Now when you add Eaton to the mix, which currently has a 5th grade population of 70 students, without changing the percentage or population in the other feeder schools you have a 50 student IB population.

When you take this into account and the fact that the IB Composition changes each time the classed move up through the school. I think Hardy has a VERY STRONG future. As number of IB students choosing Hardy increase the % adoption rate of 5th graders choosing Hardy will move up substantially so this is very conservative.

I am excited for Hardy and believe in 2 - 3 years it will be the premier middle school in DC.