APS Closing Nottingham

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Anonymous wrote:The Nottingham “community’s concerns” are and historically have in the past been those of a bunch of over privileged richer parents who dig in whenever anything slightly bad is sent their way. Just deal, please, like other school communities have done. Your kids will be fine at Discovery and other nearby schools, and I for one (anndbo suspect many others here) are tired of listening to you whine. Being upset about your kids going to Discovery is really the most ridiculous champagne problem on this board right now.

3 people killed right outside Nottingham isn't my definition of slightly bad, but ok.

Get a couple of crossing guards? Seems like an easy fix?

I mean, people in this neighborhood have been advocating vigorously for ten years now, but sure, there's probably an easy fix that everyone just ignored.

Wouldn’t shock me.

Ok Einstein what’s the brilliant plan everyone else missed?

Crossing guards?
Speed bumps?
Traffic cameras?

(All of which would be cheaper than repurposing another building into a functioning ES.)

You’re telling me there’s NOTHING that can be done to improve pedestrian safety over there?

You really think you're the first person to think of these things? Go knock yourself out trying to get the county to put them in. Then report back. I'll wait.

PS - the fact that you're suggesting speed bumps on a major road shows me how ignorant you are.

Speed bumps in a school zone? Not crazy at all.

You can't put speed bumps on Little Falls. Or Sycamore. Or Williamsburg. Maybe on Ohio, which is what a traffic study might conclude.

You can put a speed bump anywhere but an interstate.

Welcome to Arlington, no you can't. This is what the PP is trying to tell you. Minor arterial roads are not eligible for traffic calming measures like speed bumps and stop signs. We live in another part of Arlington and have the same problem.

You say this like rules and laws can’t be changed.

And I offered other suggestions, all of which are being ignored.

Its becoming a swing school. Get over it.

There will never be speed bumps on Little Falls. It’s a nonstarter. It took YEARS to get stop signs added. But the street is too major to have speed bumps. Shall we add speed bumps to Langston Blvd and Wilson? It’s only rules and laws stopping us!

Do you have any realistic suggestions?

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Anonymous wrote:Unless Nottingham parents were around ten years ago (when other Nottingham parents went nuclear about having more planning units assigned to Nottingham) they have no idea what people are talking about with that redistricting. I suggest to them that they take a history lesson because that redistricting is partly the reason Nottingham is underenrolled today. Many people from surrounding neighborhood schools have a horrible taste in their mouths from it. It was peak entitlement behavior.

Has APS thought out this plan in a careful and reasoned way? I doubt it. But there are no other realistic options if APS needs swing space. Nottingham needs to get at whether APS needs the swing space or whether it is some would be nice to have idea. Then they need to put their energy in making a good school environment in the three years before it is converted to that space. Or getting their kids into private schools.

Many people? Or just you? You’re holding this weird grudge from 10 years ago and you post about it a lot. It’s not healthy for you and no one else cares.

DP. Yes, many people. Most APS parents have had kids in APS for several years.

Please get yourself some therapy.

So unnecessarily nasty. Most kids are in APS for 13 years. I assume you can do the math.

Many of us have been through many different changes over the years. The nasty parents really tend to stick out.

PP here, I wasn't trying to be nasty. This sounds like it's really eating away at you. Carrying a grudge for that long and posting about it repeatedly on anon message boards cannot be healthy for you. Time to let it go. Therapy could help you.

Of course you are trying to be nasty. I’m clearly not the PP and I don’t have a grudge. Just sharing my observations from a different community that saw the whole thing go down. We all saw the ugly behavior.

What ugly behavior? APS was going to send PUs from Tuckahoe to either Nottingham or McKinley. Both schools advocated against being overcrowded. The difference is the McKinley parents demonized Nottingham for doing this. They did the exact same thing as the Nottingham parents but they think of themselves as righteous. And are still spouting off at Nottingham parents 10 years later!

I was at Nottingham at the time and I remember this. Our PTA advocated in our self interested and so did McKinley's. I don't know of anyone in the Nottingham community who thinks ill of McKinley for their advocacy. APS set up this unfortunate process. I do remember our PTA asking for a better overall rebalancing because Jamestown was really under enrolled and could have easily absorbed extra kids but APS didn't listen and would only consider McK or Nottingham.

Well if they are still pissed about it and are trying to further disparage Nottingham, then I think ill will of them.

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Anonymous wrote:The Nottingham “community’s concerns” are and historically have in the past been those of a bunch of over privileged richer parents who dig in whenever anything slightly bad is sent their way. Just deal, please, like other school communities have done. Your kids will be fine at Discovery and other nearby schools, and I for one (anndbo suspect many others here) are tired of listening to you whine. Being upset about your kids going to Discovery is really the most ridiculous champagne problem on this board right now.

3 people killed right outside Nottingham isn't my definition of slightly bad, but ok.

Get a couple of crossing guards? Seems like an easy fix?

I mean, people in this neighborhood have been advocating vigorously for ten years now, but sure, there's probably an easy fix that everyone just ignored.

Wouldn’t shock me.

Ok Einstein what’s the brilliant plan everyone else missed?

Crossing guards?
Speed bumps?
Traffic cameras?

(All of which would be cheaper than repurposing another building into a functioning ES.)

You’re telling me there’s NOTHING that can be done to improve pedestrian safety over there?

You really think you're the first person to think of these things? Go knock yourself out trying to get the county to put them in. Then report back. I'll wait.

PS - the fact that you're suggesting speed bumps on a major road shows me how ignorant you are.

Speed bumps in a school zone? Not crazy at all.

You can't put speed bumps on Little Falls. Or Sycamore. Or Williamsburg. Maybe on Ohio, which is what a traffic study might conclude.

You can put a speed bump anywhere but an interstate.

Welcome to Arlington, no you can't. This is what the PP is trying to tell you. Minor arterial roads are not eligible for traffic calming measures like speed bumps and stop signs. We live in another part of Arlington and have the same problem.

You say this like rules and laws can’t be changed.

And I offered other suggestions, all of which are being ignored.

Its becoming a swing school. Get over it.

There will never be speed bumps on Little Falls. It’s a nonstarter. It took YEARS to get stop signs added. But the street is too major to have speed bumps. Shall we add speed bumps to Langston Blvd and Wilson? It’s only rules and laws stopping us!

Do you have any realistic suggestions?

And I offered other suggestions, all of which are being ignored.

[Anonymous]

Nottingham mommies with their panties in a twist and We. Are. Here. For. It.

I don’t even have a dog in this fight, but hahahahahahahahaha.

Karen’s gonna Karen. Luhv it.

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Anonymous wrote:The Nottingham “community’s concerns” are and historically have in the past been those of a bunch of over privileged richer parents who dig in whenever anything slightly bad is sent their way. Just deal, please, like other school communities have done. Your kids will be fine at Discovery and other nearby schools, and I for one (anndbo suspect many others here) are tired of listening to you whine. Being upset about your kids going to Discovery is really the most ridiculous champagne problem on this board right now.

3 people killed right outside Nottingham isn't my definition of slightly bad, but ok.

Get a couple of crossing guards? Seems like an easy fix?

I mean, people in this neighborhood have been advocating vigorously for ten years now, but sure, there's probably an easy fix that everyone just ignored.

Wouldn’t shock me.

Ok Einstein what’s the brilliant plan everyone else missed?

Crossing guards?
Speed bumps?
Traffic cameras?

(All of which would be cheaper than repurposing another building into a functioning ES.)

You’re telling me there’s NOTHING that can be done to improve pedestrian safety over there?

You really think you're the first person to think of these things? Go knock yourself out trying to get the county to put them in. Then report back. I'll wait.

PS - the fact that you're suggesting speed bumps on a major road shows me how ignorant you are.

Speed bumps in a school zone? Not crazy at all.

You can't put speed bumps on Little Falls. Or Sycamore. Or Williamsburg. Maybe on Ohio, which is what a traffic study might conclude.

You can put a speed bump anywhere but an interstate.

Welcome to Arlington, no you can't. This is what the PP is trying to tell you. Minor arterial roads are not eligible for traffic calming measures like speed bumps and stop signs. We live in another part of Arlington and have the same problem.

You say this like rules and laws can’t be changed.

And I offered other suggestions, all of which are being ignored.

Its becoming a swing school. Get over it.

There will never be speed bumps on Little Falls. It’s a nonstarter. It took YEARS to get stop signs added. But the street is too major to have speed bumps. Shall we add speed bumps to Langston Blvd and Wilson? It’s only rules and laws stopping us!

Do you have any realistic suggestions?

And I offered other suggestions, all of which are being ignored.

Crossing guards and traffic cameras? Problem solved!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Nottingham “community’s concerns” are and historically have in the past been those of a bunch of over privileged richer parents who dig in whenever anything slightly bad is sent their way. Just deal, please, like other school communities have done. Your kids will be fine at Discovery and other nearby schools, and I for one (anndbo suspect many others here) are tired of listening to you whine. Being upset about your kids going to Discovery is really the most ridiculous champagne problem on this board right now.

3 people killed right outside Nottingham isn't my definition of slightly bad, but ok.

Get a couple of crossing guards? Seems like an easy fix?

I mean, people in this neighborhood have been advocating vigorously for ten years now, but sure, there's probably an easy fix that everyone just ignored.

Wouldn’t shock me.

Ok Einstein what’s the brilliant plan everyone else missed?

Crossing guards?
Speed bumps?
Traffic cameras?

(All of which would be cheaper than repurposing another building into a functioning ES.)

You’re telling me there’s NOTHING that can be done to improve pedestrian safety over there?

You really think you're the first person to think of these things? Go knock yourself out trying to get the county to put them in. Then report back. I'll wait.

PS - the fact that you're suggesting speed bumps on a major road shows me how ignorant you are.

Speed bumps in a school zone? Not crazy at all.

You can't put speed bumps on Little Falls. Or Sycamore. Or Williamsburg. Maybe on Ohio, which is what a traffic study might conclude.

You can put a speed bump anywhere but an interstate.

Ok, go try convincing Arlington County of that.

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Anonymous wrote:The Nottingham “community’s concerns” are and historically have in the past been those of a bunch of over privileged richer parents who dig in whenever anything slightly bad is sent their way. Just deal, please, like other school communities have done. Your kids will be fine at Discovery and other nearby schools, and I for one (anndbo suspect many others here) are tired of listening to you whine. Being upset about your kids going to Discovery is really the most ridiculous champagne problem on this board right now.

3 people killed right outside Nottingham isn't my definition of slightly bad, but ok.

Get a couple of crossing guards? Seems like an easy fix?

I mean, people in this neighborhood have been advocating vigorously for ten years now, but sure, there's probably an easy fix that everyone just ignored.

Wouldn’t shock me.

Ok Einstein what’s the brilliant plan everyone else missed?

Crossing guards?
Speed bumps?
Traffic cameras?

(All of which would be cheaper than repurposing another building into a functioning ES.)

You’re telling me there’s NOTHING that can be done to improve pedestrian safety over there?

You really think you're the first person to think of these things? Go knock yourself out trying to get the county to put them in. Then report back. I'll wait.

PS - the fact that you're suggesting speed bumps on a major road shows me how ignorant you are.

Speed bumps in a school zone? Not crazy at all.

You can't put speed bumps on Little Falls. Or Sycamore. Or Williamsburg. Maybe on Ohio, which is what a traffic study might conclude.

You can put a speed bump anywhere but an interstate.

Welcome to Arlington, no you can't. This is what the PP is trying to tell you. Minor arterial roads are not eligible for traffic calming measures like speed bumps and stop signs. We live in another part of Arlington and have the same problem.

You say this like rules and laws can’t be changed.

And I offered other suggestions, all of which are being ignored.

Its becoming a swing school. Get over it.

There will never be speed bumps on Little Falls. It’s a nonstarter. It took YEARS to get stop signs added. But the street is too major to have speed bumps. Shall we add speed bumps to Langston Blvd and Wilson? It’s only rules and laws stopping us!

Do you have any realistic suggestions?

And I offered other suggestions, all of which are being ignored.

Crossing guards and traffic cameras? Problem solved!

The point is not really to make suggestions. All of these suggestions have been made. The point is getting the County to DO something about it. Got any brilliant ideas there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nottingham mommies with their panties in a twist and We. Are. Here. For. It.

I don’t even have a dog in this fight, but hahahahahahahahaha.

Karen’s gonna Karen. Luhv it.

You just sound mean. Excuse me for having my panties in a twist after a mom at my kid's school died.

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Anonymous wrote:The Nottingham “community’s concerns” are and historically have in the past been those of a bunch of over privileged richer parents who dig in whenever anything slightly bad is sent their way. Just deal, please, like other school communities have done. Your kids will be fine at Discovery and other nearby schools, and I for one (anndbo suspect many others here) are tired of listening to you whine. Being upset about your kids going to Discovery is really the most ridiculous champagne problem on this board right now.

3 people killed right outside Nottingham isn't my definition of slightly bad, but ok.

Get a couple of crossing guards? Seems like an easy fix?

I mean, people in this neighborhood have been advocating vigorously for ten years now, but sure, there's probably an easy fix that everyone just ignored.

Wouldn’t shock me.

Ok Einstein what’s the brilliant plan everyone else missed?

Crossing guards?
Speed bumps?
Traffic cameras?

(All of which would be cheaper than repurposing another building into a functioning ES.)

You’re telling me there’s NOTHING that can be done to improve pedestrian safety over there?

Sure, perhaps they would. But nobody knows because APS hasn't done the work or requested a traffic study to show how they plan to keep students, teachers and the neighborhood safe.

Maybe you could advocate for that then, rather than folding your arms across your chest and shaking your head “no” like a petulant child.

In the meantime, look both ways.

What makes you think I'm not?

And that's quite the statement considering 3 people within the last 10 years were killed within the blocks surrounding the school. Show some decency.

+1. There are some nasty people in arlington

[Anonymous]

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As someone who was at Nottingham at the time of the first death, I am really having a hard time reading some of the callous and downright mean responses when Nottingham parents are raising very valid concerns about traffic safety. I hope those of who who are so dismissive of this community's pain never experience this yourselves.

[Anonymous]

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As someone who was at Nottingham at the time of the first death, I am really having a hard time reading some of the callous and downright mean responses when Nottingham parents are raising very valid concerns about traffic safety. I hope those of who who are so dismissive of this community's pain never experience this yourselves.

+1

It’s as bad as other nasty 22207 behavior.

[Anonymous]

Here's a useful thread from back in the day: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/593495.page

Nottingham protested getting extra planning units and was then the most under-capacity school in the entire county in Fall of 2016, while McKinley was over capacity by about 50 kids (based on what the renovated school could contain, even though it was still undergoing renovations and dealing with trailers).

Also this one: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/547393.page

[Anonymous]

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As someone who was at Nottingham at the time of the first death, I am really having a hard time reading some of the callous and downright mean responses when Nottingham parents are raising very valid concerns about traffic safety. I hope those of who who are so dismissive of this community's pain never experience this yourselves.

It's not that everyone is being dismissive. It's that there are traffic concerns and dangers everywhere and your little area isn't unique. There have been multiple deaths, accidents, and near accidents around TJ; but that didn't stop APS from building Fleet there. This is the process:

APS decides on location.
As part of the planning and preparation, APS considers various issues including traffic.
APS tries to work with the County on traffic mitigation as appropriate.
Project is implemented.
People aren't satisfied with results.
Time keeps moving forward and people deal as best they can with what they've got.

As part of the Fleet project, the County FINALLY put in a 4-way stop at the fatal intersection and added pedestrian crosswalks along the main road. When crossguards weren't in sufficient numbers, parents and school staff stood outside to help monitor the safety of students.

Stop directing your ire at APS and start preparing to get APS and the County to implement whatever traffic measures can be implemented, and work with APS and whatever school community is in the swing space to do whatever they can on a day-to-day basis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's a useful thread from back in the day: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/593495.page

Nottingham protested getting extra planning units and was then the most under-capacity school in the entire county in Fall of 2016, while McKinley was over capacity by about 50 kids (based on what the renovated school could contain, even though it was still undergoing renovations and dealing with trailers).

Also this one: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/547393.page

Thank you for digging these up. It's helpful for perspective.

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Anonymous wrote:The Nottingham “community’s concerns” are and historically have in the past been those of a bunch of over privileged richer parents who dig in whenever anything slightly bad is sent their way. Just deal, please, like other school communities have done. Your kids will be fine at Discovery and other nearby schools, and I for one (anndbo suspect many others here) are tired of listening to you whine. Being upset about your kids going to Discovery is really the most ridiculous champagne problem on this board right now.

3 people killed right outside Nottingham isn't my definition of slightly bad, but ok.

Get a couple of crossing guards? Seems like an easy fix?

I mean, people in this neighborhood have been advocating vigorously for ten years now, but sure, there's probably an easy fix that everyone just ignored.

Wouldn’t shock me.

Ok Einstein what’s the brilliant plan everyone else missed?

Crossing guards?
Speed bumps?
Traffic cameras?

(All of which would be cheaper than repurposing another building into a functioning ES.)

You’re telling me there’s NOTHING that can be done to improve pedestrian safety over there?

You really think you're the first person to think of these things? Go knock yourself out trying to get the county to put them in. Then report back. I'll wait.

PS - the fact that you're suggesting speed bumps on a major road shows me how ignorant you are.

Speed bumps in a school zone? Not crazy at all.

You can't put speed bumps on Little Falls. Or Sycamore. Or Williamsburg. Maybe on Ohio, which is what a traffic study might conclude.

You can put a speed bump anywhere but an interstate.

Welcome to Arlington, no you can't. This is what the PP is trying to tell you. Minor arterial roads are not eligible for traffic calming measures like speed bumps and stop signs. We live in another part of Arlington and have the same problem.

You say this like rules and laws can’t be changed.

And I offered other suggestions, all of which are being ignored.

Its becoming a swing school. Get over it.

Great, go try to get Arlington to change their rules and laws and see how that works out. Others have tried, but maybe you have some special skills that no one else had.

Or maybe you're just full of it.