ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Is ECNL moving to school year in 2025/2026 season? I have a currently U12 kid who could be impacted.

No. To summarize all 100+ pages. This is all speculated on rumors and nonsensical replies.
-Camp 1 will say anything to make people believe this is true and happening by perpetuating rumors and fabricating proof.
-Camp 2 will say anything to make people believe this is not true and refute everything posted by Camp1.
-Camp 3 tries to inject logic, but they are quickly out-posted by Camp 1 and then out-posted by Camp 2 refuting Camp 1 posts.
-Camp 4 are casual posters who see there are so many posts, then think this must be true. Don't fall into Camp 4, this is what Camp 1 posters want.

There is absolutely zero evidence this will change next year or in the near future.

But this thread has a lot of action. In fact, this post will be attacked and overwhelmed by so many posts, that this time next week, it will be buried 10 pages deep.

Fact: This change is being discussed among multiple governing bodies within youth soccer.

Fact: ECNL explicitly wants this change.

Fact: An official vote in November will likely determine the outcome.

Opinion: Will this result in a change in youth age groupings? No clue. If I were a betting man I would put the over under at 65% yes. But to say there is no evidence of a change is a blatant falsehood. Proceed to stealth group 2.

Your third fact is not a fact, but an assumption.

There is no offical vote in November. Where did you get that? There is a meeting. But all the feedback will not be in before the new year. Then it will be sent out for planning if they want to do it. People think you can just chnage quickly. You cannot. US Soccer has no interest so this is likely not happening in any event.

I think everyone may be overestimating US Soccer's power over youth league rules. Yes, the "mandate" last time came from US Soccer, but the youth organizations individually decided to adopt it. US Soccer doesn't have its own youth league anymore. I'm not aware of any legal avenue US Soccer has to force its recommendations on youth leagues, or even just the "member" organizations. When people say, "US Soccer's position is that they will go with whatever the youth organizations decide," they may mean that US Soccer has no real choice but to go with what they decide.

😂 sure, the federation has no input in the organizations it sanctions…galaxy brain!

You'd better explain for everyone how they would sanction members for not following part of a player development initiative. As in, what's the basis for the sanction, what would that sanction be, how would USSF pressure them to stay members if they didn't accept the sanction, etc.?

US SOCCER sanctions US Club...at least try to do some research.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ECNL can just change itself. ECNL teams do not play against other non-ECNL teams. They already have their own exclusive league games and showcases. I do not see any significant impact if they change, and it will serve their core customers much better.

The problem is that they also have ECNL boys..there are clubs with GA girls and ECNL boys...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL can just change itself. ECNL teams do not play against other non-ECNL teams. They already have their own exclusive league games and showcases. I do not see any significant impact if they change, and it will serve their core customers much better.

The problem is that they also have ECNL boys..there are clubs with GA girls and ECNL boys...

ECNL has already said they don’t want to do this by themselves. They would only change if the majority of soccer leagues decide to join as well. They don’t need everyone they just need most.

I think the ECNL present said us soccer really doesn’t have any authority or alluded to something along those lines?

I could see ECNL allowing GA team to join ECNL if their boys clubs is already a member just to make things simple for clubs.

We will all find out how this plays out soon enough.

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Anonymous wrote:Is ECNL moving to school year in 2025/2026 season? I have a currently U12 kid who could be impacted.

No. To summarize all 100+ pages. This is all speculated on rumors and nonsensical replies.
-Camp 1 will say anything to make people believe this is true and happening by perpetuating rumors and fabricating proof.
-Camp 2 will say anything to make people believe this is not true and refute everything posted by Camp1.
-Camp 3 tries to inject logic, but they are quickly out-posted by Camp 1 and then out-posted by Camp 2 refuting Camp 1 posts.
-Camp 4 are casual posters who see there are so many posts, then think this must be true. Don't fall into Camp 4, this is what Camp 1 posters want.

There is absolutely zero evidence this will change next year or in the near future.

But this thread has a lot of action. In fact, this post will be attacked and overwhelmed by so many posts, that this time next week, it will be buried 10 pages deep.

Fact: This change is being discussed among multiple governing bodies within youth soccer.

Fact: ECNL explicitly wants this change.

Fact: An official vote in November will likely determine the outcome.

Opinion: Will this result in a change in youth age groupings? No clue. If I were a betting man I would put the over under at 65% yes. But to say there is no evidence of a change is a blatant falsehood. Proceed to stealth group 2.

Your third fact is not a fact, but an assumption.

There is no offical vote in November. Where did you get that? There is a meeting. But all the feedback will not be in before the new year. Then it will be sent out for planning if they want to do it. People think you can just chnage quickly. You cannot. US Soccer has no interest so this is likely not happening in any event.

I think everyone may be overestimating US Soccer's power over youth league rules. Yes, the "mandate" last time came from US Soccer, but the youth organizations individually decided to adopt it. US Soccer doesn't have its own youth league anymore. I'm not aware of any legal avenue US Soccer has to force its recommendations on youth leagues, or even just the "member" organizations. When people say, "US Soccer's position is that they will go with whatever the youth organizations decide," they may mean that US Soccer has no real choice but to go with what they decide.

😂 sure, the federation has no input in the organizations it sanctions…galaxy brain!

You'd better explain for everyone how they would sanction members for not following part of a player development initiative. As in, what's the basis for the sanction, what would that sanction be, how would USSF pressure them to stay members if they didn't accept the sanction, etc.?

US SOCCER sanctions US Club...at least try to do some research.

This is correct one of US Clubs core values from their website. Which doesn’t make it sound like they would do this unless USSF was on board.

US Club Soccer will be a loyal and responsive member of U.S. Soccer and will always endeavor to maintain positive working relationships with all of its fellow members.

US Club Soccer will be the finest soccer organization in America and an integral part of U.S. National Team success.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is ECNL moving to school year in 2025/2026 season? I have a currently U12 kid who could be impacted.

No. To summarize all 100+ pages. This is all speculated on rumors and nonsensical replies.
-Camp 1 will say anything to make people believe this is true and happening by perpetuating rumors and fabricating proof.
-Camp 2 will say anything to make people believe this is not true and refute everything posted by Camp1.
-Camp 3 tries to inject logic, but they are quickly out-posted by Camp 1 and then out-posted by Camp 2 refuting Camp 1 posts.
-Camp 4 are casual posters who see there are so many posts, then think this must be true. Don't fall into Camp 4, this is what Camp 1 posters want.

There is absolutely zero evidence this will change next year or in the near future.

But this thread has a lot of action. In fact, this post will be attacked and overwhelmed by so many posts, that this time next week, it will be buried 10 pages deep.

Fact: This change is being discussed among multiple governing bodies within youth soccer.

Fact: ECNL explicitly wants this change.

Fact: An official vote in November will likely determine the outcome.

Opinion: Will this result in a change in youth age groupings? No clue. If I were a betting man I would put the over under at 65% yes. But to say there is no evidence of a change is a blatant falsehood. Proceed to stealth group 2.

Your third fact is not a fact, but an assumption.

There is no offical vote in November. Where did you get that? There is a meeting. But all the feedback will not be in before the new year. Then it will be sent out for planning if they want to do it. People think you can just chnage quickly. You cannot. US Soccer has no interest so this is likely not happening in any event.

I think everyone may be overestimating US Soccer's power over youth league rules. Yes, the "mandate" last time came from US Soccer, but the youth organizations individually decided to adopt it. US Soccer doesn't have its own youth league anymore. I'm not aware of any legal avenue US Soccer has to force its recommendations on youth leagues, or even just the "member" organizations. When people say, "US Soccer's position is that they will go with whatever the youth organizations decide," they may mean that US Soccer has no real choice but to go with what they decide.

😂 sure, the federation has no input in the organizations it sanctions…galaxy brain!

You'd better explain for everyone how they would sanction members for not following part of a player development initiative. As in, what's the basis for the sanction, what would that sanction be, how would USSF pressure them to stay members if they didn't accept the sanction, etc.?

US SOCCER sanctions US Club...at least try to do some research.

This is correct one of US Clubs core values from their website. Which doesn’t make it sound like they would do this unless USSF was on board.

US Club Soccer will be a loyal and responsive member of U.S. Soccer and will always endeavor to maintain positive working relationships with all of its fellow members.

US Club Soccer will be the finest soccer organization in America and an integral part of U.S. National Team success.

I guess those bylaws, policies, and membership agreements are all meaningless. You heard it here: USSF speaks and US Club listens. End of story. In other news, the UN governs the USA.

[Anonymous]

I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but it was only in the past 15 years or so that youth soccer in the US went from an August 1 cutoff to January 1.

I remember the debate at the time, and a lot of the same arguments, because, face it, there's no inherently "right" cutoff date. The justification given at the time was that by aligning with the rest of the world our youth teams would be more competitive in international competition, which would lead to our national teams doing better in the World Cup.

The success of the MNT over the past 15 years speaks for itself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is ECNL moving to school year in 2025/2026 season? I have a currently U12 kid who could be impacted.

No. To summarize all 100+ pages. This is all speculated on rumors and nonsensical replies.
-Camp 1 will say anything to make people believe this is true and happening by perpetuating rumors and fabricating proof.
-Camp 2 will say anything to make people believe this is not true and refute everything posted by Camp1.
-Camp 3 tries to inject logic, but they are quickly out-posted by Camp 1 and then out-posted by Camp 2 refuting Camp 1 posts.
-Camp 4 are casual posters who see there are so many posts, then think this must be true. Don't fall into Camp 4, this is what Camp 1 posters want.

There is absolutely zero evidence this will change next year or in the near future.

But this thread has a lot of action. In fact, this post will be attacked and overwhelmed by so many posts, that this time next week, it will be buried 10 pages deep.

Fact: This change is being discussed among multiple governing bodies within youth soccer.

Fact: ECNL explicitly wants this change.

Fact: An official vote in November will likely determine the outcome.

Opinion: Will this result in a change in youth age groupings? No clue. If I were a betting man I would put the over under at 65% yes. But to say there is no evidence of a change is a blatant falsehood. Proceed to stealth group 2.

Your third fact is not a fact, but an assumption.

There is no offical vote in November. Where did you get that? There is a meeting. But all the feedback will not be in before the new year. Then it will be sent out for planning if they want to do it. People think you can just chnage quickly. You cannot. US Soccer has no interest so this is likely not happening in any event.

I think everyone may be overestimating US Soccer's power over youth league rules. Yes, the "mandate" last time came from US Soccer, but the youth organizations individually decided to adopt it. US Soccer doesn't have its own youth league anymore. I'm not aware of any legal avenue US Soccer has to force its recommendations on youth leagues, or even just the "member" organizations. When people say, "US Soccer's position is that they will go with whatever the youth organizations decide," they may mean that US Soccer has no real choice but to go with what they decide.

😂 sure, the federation has no input in the organizations it sanctions…galaxy brain!

You'd better explain for everyone how they would sanction members for not following part of a player development initiative. As in, what's the basis for the sanction, what would that sanction be, how would USSF pressure them to stay members if they didn't accept the sanction, etc.?

Different kind of sanction…😑

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but it was only in the past 15 years or so that youth soccer in the US went from an August 1 cutoff to January 1.

I remember the debate at the time, and a lot of the same arguments, because, face it, there's no inherently "right" cutoff date. The justification given at the time was that by aligning with the rest of the world our youth teams would be more competitive in international competition, which would lead to our national teams doing better in the World Cup.

The success of the MNT over the past 15 years speaks for itself.

They’ve done much better and have improved drastically. The issue is pay to play. That’s another beast. Not age mandates

[Anonymous]

There is a US Soccer Board meeting in November so nothing will happen until at least then. Likely mid December. Hearing it’s done deal for next year.

Heard this from a SoCal Soccer League board member.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but it was only in the past 15 years or so that youth soccer in the US went from an August 1 cutoff to January 1.

I remember the debate at the time, and a lot of the same arguments, because, face it, there's no inherently "right" cutoff date. The justification given at the time was that by aligning with the rest of the world our youth teams would be more competitive in international competition, which would lead to our national teams doing better in the World Cup.

The success of the MNT over the past 15 years speaks for itself.

It was 2018, so not quite 15 years

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a US Soccer Board meeting in November so nothing will happen until at least then. Likely mid December. Hearing it’s done deal for next year.

Heard this from a SoCal Soccer League board member.

I heard that the person on SoCal Soccer League site that's pushing all this joined 20 days ago and has been making unsubstantiated statements and telling everyone that they're true.

It's so strange to me that parents will believe anything as long as it aligns with what they want to be true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but it was only in the past 15 years or so that youth soccer in the US went from an August 1 cutoff to January 1.

I remember the debate at the time, and a lot of the same arguments, because, face it, there's no inherently "right" cutoff date. The justification given at the time was that by aligning with the rest of the world our youth teams would be more competitive in international competition, which would lead to our national teams doing better in the World Cup.

The success of the MNT over the past 15 years speaks for itself.

It was 2018, so not quite 15 years

2016 was the change.

2015 was the announcement.

2013 is when they started studying it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a US Soccer Board meeting in November so nothing will happen until at least then. Likely mid December. Hearing it’s done deal for next year.

Heard this from a SoCal Soccer League board member.

I heard that the person on SoCal Soccer League site that's pushing all this joined 20 days ago and has been making unsubstantiated statements and telling everyone that they're true.

It's so strange to me that parents will believe anything as long as it aligns with what they want to be true.

Heard? It’s verifiable by looking at the posts/poster. And the same poster is here in this thread, as well as talking-soccer. A lot of his/her posts are copy-pastes across all the forums.

Regardless if a change happens or not…they’re an oddball poster that blows a lot of smoke. Way too invested in convincing people that a possibility is a surety.

[Anonymous]

If only we placed this much time and energy into improving youth coaching and parents put more effort into learning the game

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If only we placed this much time and energy into improving youth coaching and parents put more effort into learning the game

Be better.