CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD

Anonymous
We passed the 1000 mark tonight.
Anonymous
Italy has Coronavirus Cases PASSED 10K. Cases... are at. 10,149

HUGE DEAD to recovered rate!!
Deaths:
631
Recovered:
1,004
Anonymous
Italians struggle with healthcare access due to super fast spread. This is what happens when it is left uncontrolled.
Anonymous
Other countries are taking away lessons from Italy.

Paraguay has just closed all schools and bans events and places with large groups of people after confirming its 2nd case of coronavirus.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Other countries are taking away lessons from Italy.

Paraguay has just closed all schools and bans events and places with large groups of people after confirming its 2nd case of coronavirus.



Unfortunately we are learning nothing. My state is proceeding with major events.
Anonymous
A Seattle research project was reportedly told not to conduct coronavirus tests on swabs from flu patients — a missed opportunity early in the US outbreak

Federal officials told a Seattle research lab not to test flu swab samples for coronavirus in January, before the outbreak took hold of Washington state, according to The New York Times.

https://www.businessinsider.com/seattle-flu-study-coronavirus-testing-washington-2020-3
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Other countries are taking away lessons from Italy.

Paraguay has just closed all schools and bans events and places with large groups of people after confirming its 2nd case of coronavirus.



We better as this sound bad....
Washington coronavirus cases could balloon to 64,000 to 250,000 cases without intervention, Gov. Jay Inslee saysThis
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/washington-coronavirus-cases-could-balloon-to-64000-to-250000-cases-without-intervention-gov-jay-inslee-says.html
Anonymous
A research paper published in China on Monday says the coronavirus can travel twice as far as originally thought and remain in the air for up to 30 mins. That is why it is important to wear masks but we don’t even have enough for our medical personnel. I can’t post the article but you can find it online if you search.
Anonymous
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3)Tons of patients with moderate resp failure, that overtime deteriorate to saturate ICUs first, then NIVs, then CPAP hoods, then even O2.


I don't understand that above. What are NIVs? What does it mean to saturate ICUs? Does it mean to run out of?

I think the problem is a numbers problem? Too many cases all at once that are severe?



Non Invasive Ventilation.

He is basically saying that they are running out of ICU space (saturated) and running out of backup options like cpap and oxygen.

Yes, it’s a numbers issue. Too many sick at the same time.


It does beg the question: What is up with Italy that didn't happen in Korea?

Part of the issue with this is that the pneumonia lasts a very long time. It isn't a quick couple days in the ICU and then to the intermediate unit.


From what I have read, coordinated and widespread testing. (It is beyond impressive. Drive-thru all over.) With actual, somewhat comprehensive knowledge of the problem, they were able to immediately isolate cases and achieve a high level of compliance. As a result, there was no major crisis, leading to many fewer fatalities.

I think the biggest key here is testing, with the goal of avoiding a major cluster of cases (that overwhelm a local health care system). Google testing numbers in South Korea vs Italy vs US.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Italy has Coronavirus Cases PASSED 10K. Cases... are at. 10,149

HUGE DEAD to recovered rate!!
Deaths:
631
Recovered:
1,004


Look, the situation in Italy is terrible without resorting to these misleading numbers. There is good reason to think that a majority of the "active cases" will also recover. Please don't use statistics so selectively.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Italy has Coronavirus Cases PASSED 10K. Cases... are at. 10,149

HUGE DEAD to recovered rate!!
Deaths:
631
Recovered:
1,004


Look, the situation in Italy is terrible without resorting to these misleading numbers. There is good reason to think that a majority of the "active cases" will also recover. Please don't use statistics so selectively.


It’s because everyone in the Asian countries started wearing masks, events were canceled and/or quarantines were put in place. Italy didn’t do that. Italy is trying to that now but it is too late. The same will happen here as our government tells us that masks don’t help, go about your business, attend rallies, etc. Notice how the schools and universities with the most educated staff and students are closing down? They know.
Anonymous
Maybe they are waking up?.....


Anonymous wrote: CNN just now..

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/11/politics/what-matters-coronavirus-is-about-to-change-your-life/index.html

CNN)If you thought coronavirus was no big deal or if you thought it was going to go away, wake up.

Your life is about to change.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, issued a disturbing warning during a White House briefing Tuesday: Americans everywhere need to change the way they live their lives. Right now.
"We would like the country to realize that as a nation, we can't be doing the kinds of things we were doing a few months ago. It doesn't matter if you're in a state that has no cases or one case," Fauci said, referring Americans to the new federal Coronavirus.gov website for details on precautions to take at home, at work and out in the world.
Anonymous

"I am writing to you from Bergamo, Italy, at the heart of the coronavirus crisis. The news media in the US has not captured the severity of what is happening here. I am writing this post because each of you, today, not the government, not the school district, not the mayor, each individual citizen has the chance, today to take actions that will deter the Italian situation from becoming your own country’s reality. The only way to stop this virus is to limit contagion. And the only way to limit contagion is for millions of people to change their behavior today.

If you are in Europe or the US you are weeks away from where we are today in Italy.

I can hear you now. “It’s just a flu. It only affects old people with preconditions”

There are 2 reasons why Coronavirus has brought Italy to it’s knees. First it is a flu is devastating when people get really sick they need weeks of ICU – and, second, because of how fast and effectively it spreads. There is 2 week incubation period and many who have it never show symptoms.

When Prime Minister Conte announced last night that the entire country, 60 million people, would go on lock down, the line that struck me most was “there is no more time.” Because to be clear, this national lock down, is a hail mary. What he means is that if the numbers of contagion do not start to go down, the system, Italy, will collapse.

Why? Today the ICUs in Lombardy are at capacity – more than capacity. They have begun to put ICU units in the hallways. If the numbers do not go down, the growth rate of contagion tells us that there will be thousands of people who in a matter of a week? two weeks? who will need care. What will happen when there are 100, or a 1000 people who need the hospital and only a few ICU places left?

On Monday a doctor wrote in the paper that they have begun to have to decide who lives and who dies when the patients show up in the emergency room, like what is done in war. This will only get worse.

There are a finite number of drs, nurses, medical staff and they are getting the virus. They have also been working non-stop, non-stop for days and days. What happens when the drs, nurses and medical staff are simply not able to care for the patients, when they are not there?

And finally for those who say that this is just something that happens to old people, starting yesterday the hospitals are reporting that younger and younger patients – 40, 45, 18, are coming in for treatment.

You have a chance to make a difference and stop the spread in your country. Push for the entire office to work at home today, cancel birthday parties, and other gatherings, stay home as much as you can. If you have a fever, any fever, stay home. Push for school closures, now. Anything you can do to stop the spread, because it is spreading in your communities – there is a two week incubation period – and if you do these things now you can buy your medical system time.

And for those who say it is not possible to close the schools, and do all these other things, locking down Italy was beyond anyone’s imagination a week ago.

Soon you will not have a choice, so do what you can now.

Please share."
Anonymous
Global cases now exceed 120,000.

Cases 121,009; deaths 4,369

(originally posted on the wrong CV thread)
Anonymous



This is a chart with cases in Wuhan versus availability of ICU beds.

The X axis is number of days from community outbreak, with outbreak estimated in Wuhan to have started in early December. about 45 days after the start of a few cases is when the need for a lot of ICUs occurred.

Remember patients needed the ICU beds for several weeks.

More here:

https://twitter.com/mlipsitch/status/1237347774951305216
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