Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 3

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and some of her family were on TV tonight, supporting her. Kavanaugh = scum.

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Anonymous wrote:If he had just come out and said when he was young and foolish he was young and foolish (ala Bush) and apologized for scaring and traumatizing Ford he would be scotfree. Lies bite you on the a$$

He. didn’t. do. what. she. is. claiming. he. did.
He is not going to apologize for something he didn’t do. Would you?

He should have called for a FBI investigaton if he thought he was innocent. That is what I would have done.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp asking if we middle aged people should be held accountable NOW : this is why I would never run for public office. Because I WAS a part of wild antics in my younger years. I know it would be used against me. So I don’t go for a job where I have to have an FBI background check. Duh

I'm with you. But what if you didn't remember the antics? Maybe you were black out drunk. Maybe they were so normalized you didn't see them as antics. Look at us using the word "antics" which downplays a lot of what I did. I wasn't TPing the neighbor's house. Anyway, so, which things did we engage in that disqualify us from public office? Any illegal or anti social behavior? Just some things? Only for some public offices?

Murder, sexual assault, armed robbery - it’s in that vein.

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Anonymous wrote:Despite what comes out in the FBI report, no Dems will vote for BK anyways.

Who really thinks that this BS calling for a FBI investigation will change anything.

So if the FBI clears him, then it will be we can’t vote for him cuz abortion, gun laws, etc.. it will then be another set off issues.

How exactly would the FBI “clear” him? Not turning up anything new would surprise no one, and wouldn’t mean that he has been proven innocent.

He's presumed innocent unless proven otherwise. And I know....I know....it's not a trial, but the same principle applies: you can't prove a negative.

SHE has to prove that he's guilty, not the other way around.

Huh? She does not have to prove anything. She just has to be truthful. Even Republicans found her credible.

So are you saying that an allegation, even if the person making it sounds credible, is sufficient to ruin someone’s career? Do you realize what that opens the door for? She essentially has no corroborating evidence, and the people she identified as being in a position to support her accusation either denied knowledge or outright refuted it. I can’t understand how so many are willing to destroy this guy (or anyone) over an unsubstantiated allegation. I guess I do understand - you hate his politics and/or the person who nominated him.

What? Whose career is getting ruined, exactly? Cavanaugh has a lifetime judgeship, just not at the court he wants. You make it sound like he's about to go panhandle at the corner of 18th and K. He was fine before this nomination and he'll be fine after it. His children will retain their well fed look, I assure you.

That's what liberals tell themselves to assuage their guilt for destroying a man.

OK, then please, explain. In what way is his career ruined? Is he losing his lifetime judgeship?

In what way is he destroyed? Is he losing his job? His house? His family? His legs or arms? His freedom? His friends? The worst that could happen to him is that he won't get a Supreme Court seat. If this is your definition of destruction then virtually everyone in this country has been destroyed. Since so few people get to sit on the highest court of the land.

You know who is destroyed? That guy in Syria who lost his infant twins, wife and house in the chemical attack. That's the picture of a life destroyed.

Kavanaugh? Nah. He'll be fine.

Why do you assume that people will stop at preventing him from being on the Supreme Court?
There have already been calls to try and remove him from the court of appeals: https://now.org/media-center/press-release/brett-kavanaugh-should-be-removed-from-the-bench/

So no, the "worst that could happen" isn't just not getting to be a Supreme Court Justice.

And, if you think he's guilty, and if you think he knows he's guilty, then this is reasonable. Not just because of what he did - we might be able to excuse a teenager's brutish behavior from way-back-when - but because he lied about it, which indicates a lack of remorse as an adult that makes him unfit to judge others.

But if you think he's guilty, but doesn't know he's guilty because he was black out drunk or whatever your preferred scenario is, then this might not be reasonable. If we start going after all of us middle aged people for the stuff we got away with (remembered or not) in our youth, even if we perform our current functions well and seem like perfectly reasonable people, we're going to have quite a line at the guillotine.

And if you think he's not guilty, then it's not even remotely reasonable.

We think his entitled whine-fest yesterday made it very clear he's unfit. No use digging out more dirt, he laid it all out for us.

Your comment isn't clear. Unfit for which - Supreme Court Justice, sitting on the Court of Appeals in his current position, or both?

DP, but I'd say both.

It wouldn't surprise me to find many people feel this way. If I think the man is unfit to sit on the Supreme Court, what mental gymnastics am I going through to be ok with him remaining in his current position?

People who think the only think he faces losing is a seat on the Supreme Court must be doing some impressive mental gymnastics of their own.

Where did you get the idea that what you think about his keeping his current job matters? What you think or what the general public think does not matter.

You are getting desperate here. So much stress you are under!!! Someone asked her to clarify what is he is unfit for, and she answered.

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Anonymous wrote:If he had just come out and said when he was young and foolish he was young and foolish (ala Bush) and apologized for scaring and traumatizing Ford he would be scotfree. Lies bite you on the a$$

He. didn’t. do. what. she. is. claiming. he. did.
He is not going to apologize for something he didn’t do. Would you?

The reality is he doesn’t know whether he did it because he drank a lot in high school and college and often blacked out. This is why he’s pretending he’s a choir boy- if he’s honest about his drinking it all falls apart.

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The date of the gathering at Timmy's for brewskis is also the date the MD drinking age changed. Coincidence? Or the reason for the party?

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line - even if the FBI FINDS NOTHING (but I believe they will) based on that frat bro, sophomoric, ugly teared, bombastic performance yesterday, he is not fit to be a supreme court judge let alone a traffic cop.

Or a teacher, or a basketball coach, or a reader at Blessed Sacrament.

This guy is a fraud and should be ashamed of himself.

Email from Blessed Sacrament today (Kav the choir boy's full-time church) announced a virtual town hall about the abuse and culture of secrecy that is shaking the Catholic Church. Kind of amazing timing, don't you think? BTW I am Catholic.

If you truly are Catholic then I suggest you go to reconciliation because no decent person, let alone a decent Catholic, would talk about anyone the way you just did. You need to examine your conscience.

So true. And the worst thing is that certain elements of the Blessed Sacrament community have started referring to "Coach K" as "Coach Rapey." How cruel!

Are they "Coach K" alumni?

A mix of the community. They must know that referring to Coach K as Coach Rapey is heartbreaking, right?

I'm Catholic. If you believe in God as your savoir, you know that justice is according to his timeline and not ours. Jesus was crucified. I don't think the Christian narrative puts a lot of faith in human institutions. I think a Christian person who knows he is saved in the eyes of god doesn't need to rage and cry because a few people ask him some questions. What's the worst that could come out of this for K? He doesn't get the job? People have a wrong opinion about him? Sure, those things are horrible from an earthly perspective, but they're nothing from a god-centered one. I am glad the Jesuits came out and asked him to withdraw. That truly is the best thing he could do for our society, given the point in history where we are. Step aside. I don't understand the evangelical right seeing him is one of them.

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Anonymous wrote:If he had just come out and said when he was young and foolish he was young and foolish (ala Bush) and apologized for scaring and traumatizing Ford he would be scotfree. Lies bite you on the a$$

He. didn’t. do. what. she. is. claiming. he. did.
He is not going to apologize for something he didn’t do. Would you?

He lied about so many other things, how do you know he is not lying about this?
-finances
-drinking
-devils triangle
-boofing
-GP guys don't hang with Holton girls
-that he didn't watch Ford's testimony
-his activities in the Bush Administration

The list goes on.

What credibility does he have?

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Why do you assume that people will stop at preventing him from being on the Supreme Court?
There have already been calls to try and remove him from the court of appeals: https://now.org/media-center/press-release/brett-kavanaugh-should-be-removed-from-the-bench/

So no, the "worst that could happen" isn't just not getting to be a Supreme Court Justice.

And, if you think he's guilty, and if you think he knows he's guilty, then this is reasonable. Not just because of what he did - we might be able to excuse a teenager's brutish behavior from way-back-when - but because he lied about it, which indicates a lack of remorse as an adult that makes him unfit to judge others.

But if you think he's guilty, but doesn't know he's guilty because he was black out drunk or whatever your preferred scenario is, then this might not be reasonable. If we start going after all of us middle aged people for the stuff we got away with (remembered or not) in our youth, even if we perform our current functions well and seem like perfectly reasonable people, we're going to have quite a line at the guillotine.

And if you think he's not guilty, then it's not even remotely reasonable.

this, this, this.

If you raped someone in high school, you should be in jail. ( Some states have a SOL on sexual assault for crimes committed when the victim was an adult, some do not. )

This was not drinking or shoplifting, or getting in a fist fight. This wasn't stealing the rival school's mascot. Stop acting like sexual assault isn't a BFD. It is.

+1, what are you suggesting first pp? that sexual assault is "stuff middle aged people got away with in their youth?" Ford said they shut the door and turned the music up loud and that she called out hoping someone would hear her. The boys laughed.

Sexual assault is indeed exactly the kind of thing middle aged people got away with in their youth. But middle aged people also got away with physical assault. Shoplifting. Theft. Breaking and entering. Speeding. Illegal drug use. Drug dealing. Using prostitutes. Being prostitutes. Illegal consumption of alcohol. Name it, some or even many of us in our middle age got away with it. To what extent do we hold us all responsible now?

When you are applying for one of the most powerful positions in America, on the SCOTUS you need to be held accountable for all your past actions.

How accountable? And what's that mean?
Could we have a Supreme Court Justice who used illegal drugs in his youth?
What about one who had a DUI in his youth?

Would it be ok if they fessed up and showed how they'd changed? What if they tried to downplay it, like that old "I didn't inhale" crud that no one believed? Would that be a disqualifier?

There are already standards of behavior for being accepted into the bar. Why don’t you start there?

https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/lawyer_assistance/ls_colap_are_you_fit_to_be_a_lawyer.authcheckdam.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:If he had just come out and said when he was young and foolish he was young and foolish (ala Bush) and apologized for scaring and traumatizing Ford he would be scotfree. Lies bite you on the a$$

He. didn’t. do. what. she. is. claiming. he. did.
He is not going to apologize for something he didn’t do. Would you?

The reality is he doesn’t know whether he did it because he drank a lot in high school and college and often blacked out. This is why he’s pretending he’s a choir boy- if he’s honest about his drinking it all falls apart.

The anger we saw in his tantrum yesterday was anger at the world for not recognizing he is entitled to this ("I busted my tail! I got in to Yale"") and shame (when he talked about his mom and dad) that his own actions brought him to this point. So close but not quite there.

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Anonymous wrote:The date of the gathering at Timmy's for brewskis is also the date the MD drinking age changed. Coincidence? Or the reason for the party?

What difference? They were still underage.

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Anonymous wrote:If he had just come out and said when he was young and foolish he was young and foolish (ala Bush) and apologized for scaring and traumatizing Ford he would be scotfree. Lies bite you on the a$$

He. didn’t. do. what. she. is. claiming. he. did.
He is not going to apologize for something he didn’t do. Would you?

He should have called for a FBI investigaton if he thought he was innocent. That is what I would have done.

And, it is happening now. He has always said he would be happy with any investigation the Senate authorized.
I can tell you - when the investigation is complete and all your hopes are dashed because they find nothing of any consequence to “indict” Judge Kavanaugh, you will still say he is guilty.

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Anonymous wrote:Weren't Ford's lawyers (the ones recommended by Feinstein) obligated to tell her that the Republicans were willing to fly to California and take her testimony quietly? Exactly whom was Katz working for? Her client....or the Democrats?

Why do you think they weren't working for Ford's interests?

Because she wanted as little publicity as possible and likely would have taken the Rs up on their offer to come to CA and take her testimony quietly. She seemed surprised to learn of that offer, and actually said thank you.

The lawyers definitely should have told her of her option. They clearly had a conflict of interest.....to do what's best for their client, or what's best for the Democrats who recommended their legal services. They do not necessarily align.

She specifically said that Katz and Bromwich were *not* among those that DiFi's office recommended. You're really reaching.

This is false. How do people get such basic facts wrong. Let's go to the transcript of Ford's testimony:

GRASSLEY: Senator Kennedy now, so we’ll proceed, Ms. Mitchell.

MITCHELL: Dr. Ford, we’re almost done. Just a couple clean up questions first of all. Which – which of your two lawyers did Senator Feinstein’s office recommend?

FORD: The Katz –

MITCHELL: I’m sorry?

FORD: The Katz firm.

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Anonymous wrote:If he had just come out and said when he was young and foolish he was young and foolish (ala Bush) and apologized for scaring and traumatizing Ford he would be scotfree. Lies bite you on the a$$

He. didn’t. do. what. she. is. claiming. he. did.
He is not going to apologize for something he didn’t do. Would you?

The reality is he doesn’t know whether he did it because he drank a lot in high school and college and often blacked out. This is why he’s pretending he’s a choir boy- if he’s honest about his drinking it all falls apart.

The anger we saw in his tantrum yesterday was anger at the world for not recognizing he is entitled to this ("I busted my tail! I got in to Yale"") and shame (when he talked about his mom and dad) that his own actions brought him to this point. So close but not quite there.

Ah, yes. Now we are not just investigators, but we are psychologists.

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Anonymous wrote:If he had just come out and said when he was young and foolish he was young and foolish (ala Bush) and apologized for scaring and traumatizing Ford he would be scotfree. Lies bite you on the a$$

He. didn’t. do. what. she. is. claiming. he. did.
He is not going to apologize for something he didn’t do. Would you?

Out of curiosity: how many more credible accusations would it take for you to believe?