Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

[Anonymous]

And that is okay!

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't gun violence; this was a targeted assassination of a major leader because of political views. If guns were outlawed, they would have poisoned him, run him over, killed him with a knife, bomb, etc

Funny because in my neighborhood nobody is talking about this assassination since nobody knows who he was and he didn't hold public office. Of course, it is sad when anybody is killed, especially a parent of young children.

Are you in an assisted living community? Funny that an entire neighborhood can be so clueless and uninformed.

It sounds like if you followed conservative influencers or religious influencers, you would know about him. If you're not in those communities, you might recognize the name, but you're not going to know who he is or look at him as any kind of leader.

I never focused on what he said or listened to his podcast but any reasonably educated person in DC knew he founded Turning Points and that was an important figure on the Right.

If you and your neighbors are clueless about who he was, it doesn't mean you are uneducated, it just means you do not have a pulse on the political landscape of the country.

Some of us have young sons and need to track and be informed on imminent threats to them. The only reason I know about him and Andrew Tate.

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we have a 1A and 2A problem in this country.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't gun violence; this was a targeted assassination of a major leader because of political views. If guns were outlawed, they would have poisoned him, run him over, killed him with a knife, bomb, etc

Funny because in my neighborhood nobody is talking about this assassination since nobody knows who he was and he didn't hold public office. Of course, it is sad when anybody is killed, especially a parent of young children.

Are you in an assisted living community? Funny that an entire neighborhood can be so clueless and uninformed.

It sounds like if you followed conservative influencers or religious influencers, you would know about him. If you're not in those communities, you might recognize the name, but you're not going to know who he is or look at him as any kind of leader.

They only "religion" in these right-wing propaganda outlets is $. They're all just money-grabbing status-obsessed ghouls who will say, do, and post anything for another dollar. The women enter fake marriages with open secret closeted gay men to keep up appearances. It's incredibly common.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't gun violence; this was a targeted assassination of a major leader because of political views. If guns were outlawed, they would have poisoned him, run him over, killed him with a knife, bomb, etc

Funny because in my neighborhood nobody is talking about this assassination since nobody knows who he was and he didn't hold public office. Of course, it is sad when anybody is killed, especially a parent of young children.

Are you in an assisted living community? Funny that an entire neighborhood can be so clueless and uninformed.

It sounds like if you followed conservative influencers or religious influencers, you would know about him. If you're not in those communities, you might recognize the name, but you're not going to know who he is or look at him as any kind of leader.

+1

It's amazing how the right and left wing nut jobs don't understand that they are on an island by themselves. Normal aren't watching and listening to the crap they poison themselves with.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who say Charlie Lirk was a great person, nothing but respectful, only trying to do good in the world…

Do you think it’s a good thing that his organization (Turning Point USA) maintained a “Professor Watch List”? That list has led to people getting death threats and needing security to do their jobs. Would you want to be on such a list? Would that make you feel safe? Do you think putting people on a public list that results in them being targeted by unstable
individuals is a Christian thing to do?

I am really trying to understand how people can sort of paper over documented harmful actions like this. And I don’t wish to hear a whataboutism type argument about something a liberal did because that’s not the question at hand. It just seems to me that people are cherry picking certain actions and words to only paint CK in a good light simply because CK was on “their team”.

Oh and to be clear I am in no way trying to suggest that CK deserved what happened. There is no justification for murder. I am specifically trying to understand the current effort to paint an image that is not the full picture of what CK did and stood for.

When people die, humans have a custom of saying nice things about them rather than listing their shortcomings.

Sure, for people you know personally. But why go out of your way to practically canonize a public figure you have never met in a social media post, when there are documented things that person did which are not Christian?

I don’t think it helps anyone to act like someone never did a single harmful thing in their life and use that to paint one side as all good and one side as all evil.

Well sure. I’m not canonizing the guy, but I understand why people who admired him are. Not sure I understand the purpose of feigning confusion about this.

The only reason to say bad things about him at this point is to justify, excuse, or diminish his murder.

That said, I certainly agree that the current trend of painting the sides (whichever side you may be on) as good/evil is inaccurate and damaging.

Actually, the only reason not to list all the horrible things he’s done is because jeff asks people to wait 48 hours.

Or to be a human being

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who say Charlie Lirk was a great person, nothing but respectful, only trying to do good in the world…

Do you think it’s a good thing that his organization (Turning Point USA) maintained a “Professor Watch List”? That list has led to people getting death threats and needing security to do their jobs. Would you want to be on such a list? Would that make you feel safe? Do you think putting people on a public list that results in them being targeted by unstable
individuals is a Christian thing to do?

I am really trying to understand how people can sort of paper over documented harmful actions like this. And I don’t wish to hear a whataboutism type argument about something a liberal did because that’s not the question at hand. It just seems to me that people are cherry picking certain actions and words to only paint CK in a good light simply because CK was on “their team”.

Please show us a police report describing these death threats.

Death threats at Orange Coast College, Princeton, Drexel, among others. The Drexel professor had to teach class over Zoom. An ASU professor was followed and shoved to the ground by a TPUSA cameraman, resulting in injury.

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Kirk’s speaking events are a worldwide lesson in respectful civil discourse.

He’s a stand up person, but I’m from liberal Arlington Heights where he grew up and lives.

This is a major loss for the country, political rhetoric aside.

Obviously it was a hired sniper, could be brainwashed leftist American or foreigner.

NSA, CIA and FBI investigators are all over this.

At some point a foreign entity or leftist domestic group will take credit.

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Anonymous wrote:This sounds so fake. A transgender person running away from an assassination in Utah would stick out like a giraffe at a dog park.

And transgender wasn't even his "brand" is it? Isn't the main transgender right wing guy that Matt Walsh dweeb?

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who say Charlie Lirk was a great person, nothing but respectful, only trying to do good in the world…

Do you think it’s a good thing that his organization (Turning Point USA) maintained a “Professor Watch List”? That list has led to people getting death threats and needing security to do their jobs. Would you want to be on such a list? Would that make you feel safe? Do you think putting people on a public list that results in them being targeted by unstable
individuals is a Christian thing to do?

I am really trying to understand how people can sort of paper over documented harmful actions like this. And I don’t wish to hear a whataboutism type argument about something a liberal did because that’s not the question at hand. It just seems to me that people are cherry picking certain actions and words to only paint CK in a good light simply because CK was on “their team”.

Oh and to be clear I am in no way trying to suggest that CK deserved what happened. There is no justification for murder. I am specifically trying to understand the current effort to paint an image that is not the full picture of what CK did and stood for.

When people die, humans have a custom of saying nice things about them rather than listing their shortcomings.

Sure, for people you know personally. But why go out of your way to practically canonize a public figure you have never met in a social media post, when there are documented things that person did which are not Christian?

I don’t think it helps anyone to act like someone never did a single harmful thing in their life and use that to paint one side as all good and one side as all evil.

Well sure. I’m not canonizing the guy, but I understand why people who admired him are. Not sure I understand the purpose of feigning confusion about this.

The only reason to say bad things about him at this point is to justify, excuse, or diminish his murder.

That said, I certainly agree that the current trend of painting the sides (whichever side you may be on) as good/evil is inaccurate and damaging.

Actually, the only reason not to list all the horrible things he’s done is because jeff asks people to wait 48 hours.

People can peruse his X feed and form their own opinions. I don't understand why people need to be told how to think. Read and form your own opinions.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't gun violence; this was a targeted assassination of a major leader because of political views. If guns were outlawed, they would have poisoned him, run him over, killed him with a knife, bomb, etc

It was with a bolt action hunting rifle, which is why these calls to link this with gun control are absurd. No one is banning bolt action hunting rifles. Even the most radical anti-gun posters would think that’d be impossible to do.

Making it legal to Open Carry on campus made this killing easier.

[Anonymous]

One of the Turning Point founders took Russian money to push their disinformation. Defenders can stop acting like these podcaster-leaders have America’s interests at heart.

https://www.salon.com/2024/09/04/right-wing-media-group-allegedly-took-10-million-in-russian-financing-doj-indictment/

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NP


https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot

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Anonymous wrote:This sounds so fake. A transgender person running away from an assassination in Utah would stick out like a giraffe at a dog park.

Maybe the perp is not transgender himself. I think it's either a mentally ill person who espouses far-left views and seeks to take revenge for anti-transgender, anti-democratic rhetoric used by Kirk and his ilk; or a mentally ill person who espouses far-right views in disagreement with Kirk who chose to lay a false trail to hide his tracks.

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Anonymous wrote:This sounds so fake. A transgender person running away from an assassination in Utah would stick out like a giraffe at a dog park.

IF it's true (big if), I'd suggest it's more likely to be a lone nutter who thought blaming a trans person for the shooting would further inflame passions. Remember that Charlie Manson thought he'd start a race war by murdering Hollywood celebrities. I don't believe in big conspiracy theories - but there's no limit to the twisted logic of one insane person.