College Football--Big Ten Expansion

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Stanford would have to take a 25 percent payout forever then the big ten might take them but probably wouldn’t because a malcontent member is poison.

Big ten doesn’t need Stanford. Stanford has very limited leverage right now

Depends upon how the Big Ten Conference feels about locking up the West Coast & about the tremendous benefits to be derived from cooperation regarding research & academics.

I still think that the B1G will offer both schools. If you don’t see any movement soon, I expect this will be the reason why.

How being in the same athletic conference translates into research cooperation is wishful thinking at best. At the end of day revenue / $$ will be the primary deciding factor

You don’t understand the Big Ten and how its leaders think. If they would have to do it over again, Nebraska would not be admitted because it’s not an AAU school and its academic ranking is very low in comparison to the rest of the conference.

Fox/BIG just raided the PAC and walked over the corpses of Cal and Stanford to do it. Two schools ranked higher than every school in the BIG. What don't we understand?

[Anonymous]

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Stanford would have to take a 25 percent payout forever then the big ten might take them but probably wouldn’t because a malcontent member is poison.

Big ten doesn’t need Stanford. Stanford has very limited leverage right now

Depends upon how the Big Ten Conference feels about locking up the West Coast & about the tremendous benefits to be derived from cooperation regarding research & academics.

I still think that the B1G will offer both schools. If you don’t see any movement soon, I expect this will be the reason why.

How being in the same athletic conference translates into research cooperation is wishful thinking at best. At the end of day revenue / $$ will be the primary deciding factor

You don’t understand the Big Ten and how its leaders think. If they would have to do it over again, Nebraska would not be admitted because it’s not an AAU school and its academic ranking is very low in comparison to the rest of the conference.

Fox/BIG just raided the PAC and walked over the corpses of Cal and Stanford to do it. Two schools ranked higher than every school in the BIG. What don't we understand?

Stanford is ranked higher than every school in the B1G, but Cal is ranked below Northwestern and tied with UCLA.

[Anonymous]

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Stanford would have to take a 25 percent payout forever then the big ten might take them but probably wouldn’t because a malcontent member is poison.

Big ten doesn’t need Stanford. Stanford has very limited leverage right now

Depends upon how the Big Ten Conference feels about locking up the West Coast & about the tremendous benefits to be derived from cooperation regarding research & academics.

I still think that the B1G will offer both schools. If you don’t see any movement soon, I expect this will be the reason why.

How being in the same athletic conference translates into research cooperation is wishful thinking at best. At the end of day revenue / $$ will be the primary deciding factor

You don’t understand the Big Ten and how its leaders think. If they would have to do it over again, Nebraska would not be admitted because it’s not an AAU school and its academic ranking is very low in comparison to the rest of the conference.

Fox/BIG just raided the PAC and walked over the corpses of Cal and Stanford to do it. Two schools ranked higher than every school in the BIG. What don't we understand?

What you don’t understand is that all four PAC schools that were selected are AAU members AND good enough in football. Is that clear enough for you now?

[Anonymous]

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Stanford would have to take a 25 percent payout forever then the big ten might take them but probably wouldn’t because a malcontent member is poison.

Big ten doesn’t need Stanford. Stanford has very limited leverage right now

Depends upon how the Big Ten Conference feels about locking up the West Coast & about the tremendous benefits to be derived from cooperation regarding research & academics.

I still think that the B1G will offer both schools. If you don’t see any movement soon, I expect this will be the reason why.

How being in the same athletic conference translates into research cooperation is wishful thinking at best. At the end of day revenue / $$ will be the primary deciding factor

You don’t understand the Big Ten and how its leaders think. If they would have to do it over again, Nebraska would not be admitted because it’s not an AAU school and its academic ranking is very low in comparison to the rest of the conference.

Fox/BIG just raided the PAC and walked over the corpses of Cal and Stanford to do it. Two schools ranked higher than every school in the BIG. What don't we understand?

What you don’t understand is that all four PAC schools that were selected are AAU members AND good enough in football. Is that clear enough for you now?

(OP here)

Agree, but also important to note that all four Pac-12 schools had/have significant appeal regarding viewership numbers/market.

Some maintain that the San Francisco media market is not a strong college football market and that Cal & Stanford have low viewership numbers.

[Anonymous]

2022 College Football Viewership Numbers for 119 Teams:

https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach/which-college-football-programs-were-the-most-watched-in-2022-94eca4f6acbd

The lowest viewership numbers among the 18 Big Ten Conference members (including USC, UCLA, Washington, & Oregon) are Purdue at 870,000 and Rutgers at 618,000. Purdue & Rutgers are the only Big Ten Conference college football programs which average less than one million (1,000,000) viewers per week.

Both Cal & Stanford viewership numbers are below 1,000,000 at 857,000 and 846,000 respectively. Only Rutgers has lower viewership numbers than UCal-Berkeley & Stanford.

But, among ACC college football programs, at least ten (10) teams have lower viewership numbers than Cal & Stanford. Duke at 115,700 has the lowest viewership among all ACC college football programs.

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Stanford would have to take a 25 percent payout forever then the big ten might take them but probably wouldn’t because a malcontent member is poison.

Big ten doesn’t need Stanford. Stanford has very limited leverage right now

Depends upon how the Big Ten Conference feels about locking up the West Coast & about the tremendous benefits to be derived from cooperation regarding research & academics.

I still think that the B1G will offer both schools. If you don’t see any movement soon, I expect this will be the reason why.

How being in the same athletic conference translates into research cooperation is wishful thinking at best. At the end of day revenue / $$ will be the primary deciding factor

You don’t understand the Big Ten and how its leaders think. If they would have to do it over again, Nebraska would not be admitted because it’s not an AAU school and its academic ranking is very low in comparison to the rest of the conference.

Fox/BIG just raided the PAC and walked over the corpses of Cal and Stanford to do it. Two schools ranked higher than every school in the BIG. What don't we understand?

What you don’t understand is that all four PAC schools that were selected are AAU members AND good enough in football. Is that clear enough for you now?

(OP here)

Agree, but also important to note that all four Pac-12 schools had/have significant appeal regarding viewership numbers/market.

Some maintain that the San Francisco media market is not a strong college football market and that Cal & Stanford have low viewership numbers.

The bolded is doing a lot of work for you. The numbers don't lie. People don't care about Cal and Stanford athletics from an eyeballs standpoint.

[Anonymous]

Notre Dame AD earned his law degree at Stanford Law School:

https://roanoke.com/sports/acc-presidents-cal-stanford/article_ca5ed6c3-1b32-5eae-ad43-8057f5f8075f.html

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The B10 should have taken Colorado and Arizona to geographically link coast to coast and aid schedules

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“Fox/BIG just raided the PAC and walked over the corpses of Cal and Stanford to do it. Two schools ranked higher than every school in the BIG. What don't we understand? “

You don’t understand that the Big 10 schools tend to be traditional, sane, and Capitalist, whereas Berkeley & Stanford would probably fit better in whatever conference the Universidad de la Habana is in.

[Anonymous]

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“Fox/BIG just raided the PAC and walked over the corpses of Cal and Stanford to do it. Two schools ranked higher than every school in the BIG. What don't we understand? “

You don’t understand that the Big 10 schools tend to be traditional, sane, and Capitalist, whereas Berkeley & Stanford would probably fit better in whatever conference the Universidad de la Habana is in.

Yup. The B1G wants to be today what the Ivy League was in 1954: the schools that the best and brightest of the American middle class aspire to attend.

[Anonymous]

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The B10 should have taken Colorado and Arizona to geographically link coast to coast and aid schedules

Interesting thought. Viewership numbers are too low, however. Also, the Arizona legislature wanted both U Arizona & ASU in the same conference.

[Anonymous]

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“Fox/BIG just raided the PAC and walked over the corpses of Cal and Stanford to do it. Two schools ranked higher than every school in the BIG. What don't we understand? “

You don’t understand that the Big 10 schools tend to be traditional, sane, and Capitalist, whereas Berkeley & Stanford would probably fit better in whatever conference the Universidad de la Habana is in.

Yup. The B1G wants to be today what the Ivy League was in 1954: the schools that the best and brightest of the American middle class aspire to attend.

The BIG will do whatever FOX tells them to do!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

“Fox/BIG just raided the PAC and walked over the corpses of Cal and Stanford to do it. Two schools ranked higher than every school in the BIG. What don't we understand? “

You don’t understand that the Big 10 schools tend to be traditional, sane, and Capitalist, whereas Berkeley & Stanford would probably fit better in whatever conference the Universidad de la Habana is in.

Yup. The B1G wants to be today what the Ivy League was in 1954: the schools that the best and brightest of the American middle class aspire to attend.

The BIG will do whatever FOX tells them to do!

Nope.. the content is boss. Football is the only consistent mass audience product.

[Anonymous]

The same short article has appeared in three different blogs during the past day.

https://thespun.com/college-football/big-ten-could-ultimately-force-notre-dame-to-join-conference

The Big Ten Conference is not desperate to expand further, but this piece is appearing as an invitation to Notre Dame that will also solve Cal & Stanford's problem finding a home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The same short article has appeared in three different blogs during the past day.

https://thespun.com/college-football/big-ten-could-ultimately-force-notre-dame-to-join-conference

The Big Ten Conference is not desperate to expand further, but this piece is appearing as an invitation to Notre Dame that will also solve Cal & Stanford's problem finding a home.

Basically, this short article is a message to Notre Dame: Big Ten Conference telling Notre Dame that if Notre Dame joins the Big Ten Conference, then the Big Ten Conference will listen to Notre Dame's request to add Cal & Stanford. The issue regarding scheduling is not a threat, just a reality when a conference expands to 18 or more teams.

Too many outlets carrying the same story so it seems to be a clear message inviting ND to talk.