ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if they had trapped player rules in ECNL before the age change in 2017 to BY? What did they do with July kids who started late?

I know ECNL is going to allow seniors in high school eligible to play even if they were hold backs. I was told that directly from ECNL commissioner.

No idea on how they used to do it.

While it does make sense let hold backs play down with of age players. It only makes sense senior year of high school after all the non cheaters have been recruited.

I dont understand why this matters though because these players need to play on a team for several years. If youre a hold back the only way to do this is to play on an older team. Which is something these platers/parents wont do. They want to be 16 year old freshman playing against players 1-2 years younger.

I was told it would only affect the senior season.

GY for players Senior year in HS makes sense. It adds a little incentive for recruiters to look at older teams.

But, this doesnt change the fact that these players will be raw because they haven't been playing on a team or maybe only high school soccer. Again hold backs dont want to play against players their age.
They'll search out whatever league or school allows them to play down for wins.

You're such a troll

They are, but in other places I've already seen the whole my kid wasn't ready for school as an APRIL b-day and they really want them to play with their "classmates".

A 16 year old freshman in high school is a cheater. You know it and so do I. The problem is some sports have lost the narrative allowing GY. Once one parent cheats by playing down for wins others will do the same. I like how the private school parents like to call it regrading or reclassing to make the practice sound less demeaning.

Are you saying they turn 16 before they start Freshman year? How is that possible unless they repeat a grade - correct? you have to go to school by the time you are six. you don't have to go at 5, but you have to go at 6.

Welcome to the world of holding back your kid for sports greatness.

Yes, different states have rules around how old students can be freshman year. Also yes there are some that allow soon to be 16 year old freshman. Private Schools like to exploit this by encouraging patents to hold their kids back because it makes more money for them. Parents that have gone down the path of holding their kid back will push for GY everywhere so their 16 year old freshman isnt an outcast.

I'm sure this exists but, and my 3 kids all go to one of the top private schools in the country, it is not what I see. Maybe for the private schools that focus on sports (IMG?) rather than academics, but not the elite academic private schools. That said, there are many, many summer birthdays that are the oldest in their class. It is rare for a July or August kid to be the youngest but this is definitely NOT about sports.

July/Aug makes total sense. Things get dicey when you start dipping into March-May, but again those kids are so few and far between, and there are probably other reasons for the hold back, that I'm not sure it makes any noticable impact. But who knows.

If it didnt make a noticeable impact in sports parents wouldn't be doing it. Happens all the time in basketball and football in public schools. Happens all the time in Lacrosse in private schools.

Soccer is an anomaly in that High School is considered lower level than Club. The private schools hate this and its why they create their own leagues. They want cheater rules but they dont want to play against the public schools.

So they just play 8 games and the seasons over? The private schools where I’m from love playing public schools so they can beat them and try and recruit the best middle school kids in the area.

Of course the private schools like playing public schools. A large number of their players are 1-2 years older than the public school players. There's a reason private schools and private school parents "regrade" their kids.

It’s funny club parents endlessly complain about RAE while private school parents actively exploit it.

I went to public high school with 3 guys that I knew of that turned 19 their senior year only one played sports and he wasn’t even that good. Hold back stuff usually has nothing to do with sports.

Yes some private school parents exploit it but I’d guess it’s less than 5% of kids in a graduating class. Stop fear mongering. It’s okay they’re just kids don’t be afraid of them.

Please tell the RAE acolytes who freak out over 2 months to stop fear mongering and let your 16 year old freshman play with 14 year olds.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if they had trapped player rules in ECNL before the age change in 2017 to BY? What did they do with July kids who started late?

I know ECNL is going to allow seniors in high school eligible to play even if they were hold backs. I was told that directly from ECNL commissioner.

No idea on how they used to do it.

While it does make sense let hold backs play down with of age players. It only makes sense senior year of high school after all the non cheaters have been recruited.

I dont understand why this matters though because these players need to play on a team for several years. If youre a hold back the only way to do this is to play on an older team. Which is something these platers/parents wont do. They want to be 16 year old freshman playing against players 1-2 years younger.

I was told it would only affect the senior season.

GY for players Senior year in HS makes sense. It adds a little incentive for recruiters to look at older teams.

But, this doesnt change the fact that these players will be raw because they haven't been playing on a team or maybe only high school soccer. Again hold backs dont want to play against players their age.
They'll search out whatever league or school allows them to play down for wins.

You're such a troll

They are, but in other places I've already seen the whole my kid wasn't ready for school as an APRIL b-day and they really want them to play with their "classmates".

A 16 year old freshman in high school is a cheater. You know it and so do I. The problem is some sports have lost the narrative allowing GY. Once one parent cheats by playing down for wins others will do the same. I like how the private school parents like to call it regrading or reclassing to make the practice sound less demeaning.

Are you saying they turn 16 before they start Freshman year? How is that possible unless they repeat a grade - correct? you have to go to school by the time you are six. you don't have to go at 5, but you have to go at 6.

Welcome to the world of holding back your kid for sports greatness.

Yes, different states have rules around how old students can be freshman year. Also yes there are some that allow soon to be 16 year old freshman. Private Schools like to exploit this by encouraging patents to hold their kids back because it makes more money for them. Parents that have gone down the path of holding their kid back will push for GY everywhere so their 16 year old freshman isnt an outcast.

I'm sure this exists but, and my 3 kids all go to one of the top private schools in the country, it is not what I see. Maybe for the private schools that focus on sports (IMG?) rather than academics, but not the elite academic private schools. That said, there are many, many summer birthdays that are the oldest in their class. It is rare for a July or August kid to be the youngest but this is definitely NOT about sports.

July/Aug makes total sense. Things get dicey when you start dipping into March-May, but again those kids are so few and far between, and there are probably other reasons for the hold back, that I'm not sure it makes any noticable impact. But who knows.

If it didnt make a noticeable impact in sports parents wouldn't be doing it. Happens all the time in basketball and football in public schools. Happens all the time in Lacrosse in private schools.

Soccer is an anomaly in that High School is considered lower level than Club. The private schools hate this and its why they create their own leagues. They want cheater rules but they dont want to play against the public schools.

So they just play 8 games and the seasons over? The private schools where I’m from love playing public schools so they can beat them and try and recruit the best middle school kids in the area.

Of course the private schools like playing public schools. A large number of their players are 1-2 years older than the public school players. There's a reason private schools and private school parents "regrade" their kids.

Its funny club parents endlessly complain about RAE while private school parents actively exploit it.

That’s because private school parents are smart.

Private schools arent smart they just found a way to cheat without getting caught.

This is what happens when sports give up and go GY.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if they had trapped player rules in ECNL before the age change in 2017 to BY? What did they do with July kids who started late?

I know ECNL is going to allow seniors in high school eligible to play even if they were hold backs. I was told that directly from ECNL commissioner.

No idea on how they used to do it.

While it does make sense let hold backs play down with of age players. It only makes sense senior year of high school after all the non cheaters have been recruited.

I dont understand why this matters though because these players need to play on a team for several years. If youre a hold back the only way to do this is to play on an older team. Which is something these platers/parents wont do. They want to be 16 year old freshman playing against players 1-2 years younger.

I was told it would only affect the senior season.

GY for players Senior year in HS makes sense. It adds a little incentive for recruiters to look at older teams.

But, this doesnt change the fact that these players will be raw because they haven't been playing on a team or maybe only high school soccer. Again hold backs dont want to play against players their age.
They'll search out whatever league or school allows them to play down for wins.

You're such a troll

They are, but in other places I've already seen the whole my kid wasn't ready for school as an APRIL b-day and they really want them to play with their "classmates".

A 16 year old freshman in high school is a cheater. You know it and so do I. The problem is some sports have lost the narrative allowing GY. Once one parent cheats by playing down for wins others will do the same. I like how the private school parents like to call it regrading or reclassing to make the practice sound less demeaning.

Are you saying they turn 16 before they start Freshman year? How is that possible unless they repeat a grade - correct? you have to go to school by the time you are six. you don't have to go at 5, but you have to go at 6.

Welcome to the world of holding back your kid for sports greatness.

Yes, different states have rules around how old students can be freshman year. Also yes there are some that allow soon to be 16 year old freshman. Private Schools like to exploit this by encouraging patents to hold their kids back because it makes more money for them. Parents that have gone down the path of holding their kid back will push for GY everywhere so their 16 year old freshman isnt an outcast.

I'm sure this exists but, and my 3 kids all go to one of the top private schools in the country, it is not what I see. Maybe for the private schools that focus on sports (IMG?) rather than academics, but not the elite academic private schools. That said, there are many, many summer birthdays that are the oldest in their class. It is rare for a July or August kid to be the youngest but this is definitely NOT about sports.

July/Aug makes total sense. Things get dicey when you start dipping into March-May, but again those kids are so few and far between, and there are probably other reasons for the hold back, that I'm not sure it makes any noticable impact. But who knows.

If it didnt make a noticeable impact in sports parents wouldn't be doing it. Happens all the time in basketball and football in public schools. Happens all the time in Lacrosse in private schools.

Soccer is an anomaly in that High School is considered lower level than Club. The private schools hate this and its why they create their own leagues. They want cheater rules but they dont want to play against the public schools.

So they just play 8 games and the seasons over? The private schools where I’m from love playing public schools so they can beat them and try and recruit the best middle school kids in the area.

Of course the private schools like playing public schools. A large number of their players are 1-2 years older than the public school players. There's a reason private schools and private school parents "regrade" their kids.

Its funny club parents endlessly complain about RAE while private school parents actively exploit it.

That’s because private school parents are smart.

Private schools arent smart they just found a way to cheat without getting caught.

This is what happens when sports give up and go GY.

Only smart people understand how to legally exploit loopholes.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if they had trapped player rules in ECNL before the age change in 2017 to BY? What did they do with July kids who started late?

I know ECNL is going to allow seniors in high school eligible to play even if they were hold backs. I was told that directly from ECNL commissioner.

No idea on how they used to do it.

While it does make sense let hold backs play down with of age players. It only makes sense senior year of high school after all the non cheaters have been recruited.

I dont understand why this matters though because these players need to play on a team for several years. If youre a hold back the only way to do this is to play on an older team. Which is something these platers/parents wont do. They want to be 16 year old freshman playing against players 1-2 years younger.

I was told it would only affect the senior season.

GY for players Senior year in HS makes sense. It adds a little incentive for recruiters to look at older teams.

But, this doesnt change the fact that these players will be raw because they haven't been playing on a team or maybe only high school soccer. Again hold backs dont want to play against players their age.
They'll search out whatever league or school allows them to play down for wins.

You're such a troll

They are, but in other places I've already seen the whole my kid wasn't ready for school as an APRIL b-day and they really want them to play with their "classmates".

A 16 year old freshman in high school is a cheater. You know it and so do I. The problem is some sports have lost the narrative allowing GY. Once one parent cheats by playing down for wins others will do the same. I like how the private school parents like to call it regrading or reclassing to make the practice sound less demeaning.

Are you saying they turn 16 before they start Freshman year? How is that possible unless they repeat a grade - correct? you have to go to school by the time you are six. you don't have to go at 5, but you have to go at 6.

Welcome to the world of holding back your kid for sports greatness.

Yes, different states have rules around how old students can be freshman year. Also yes there are some that allow soon to be 16 year old freshman. Private Schools like to exploit this by encouraging patents to hold their kids back because it makes more money for them. Parents that have gone down the path of holding their kid back will push for GY everywhere so their 16 year old freshman isnt an outcast.

I'm sure this exists but, and my 3 kids all go to one of the top private schools in the country, it is not what I see. Maybe for the private schools that focus on sports (IMG?) rather than academics, but not the elite academic private schools. That said, there are many, many summer birthdays that are the oldest in their class. It is rare for a July or August kid to be the youngest but this is definitely NOT about sports.

July/Aug makes total sense. Things get dicey when you start dipping into March-May, but again those kids are so few and far between, and there are probably other reasons for the hold back, that I'm not sure it makes any noticable impact. But who knows.

If it didnt make a noticeable impact in sports parents wouldn't be doing it. Happens all the time in basketball and football in public schools. Happens all the time in Lacrosse in private schools.

Soccer is an anomaly in that High School is considered lower level than Club. The private schools hate this and its why they create their own leagues. They want cheater rules but they dont want to play against the public schools.

So they just play 8 games and the seasons over? The private schools where I’m from love playing public schools so they can beat them and try and recruit the best middle school kids in the area.

Of course the private schools like playing public schools. A large number of their players are 1-2 years older than the public school players. There's a reason private schools and private school parents "regrade" their kids.

Its funny club parents endlessly complain about RAE while private school parents actively exploit it.

That’s because private school parents are smart.

Private schools arent smart they just found a way to cheat without getting caught.

This is what happens when sports give up and go GY.

Be ready because soccer is next. Boo!

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if they had trapped player rules in ECNL before the age change in 2017 to BY? What did they do with July kids who started late?

I know ECNL is going to allow seniors in high school eligible to play even if they were hold backs. I was told that directly from ECNL commissioner.

No idea on how they used to do it.

While it does make sense let hold backs play down with of age players. It only makes sense senior year of high school after all the non cheaters have been recruited.

I dont understand why this matters though because these players need to play on a team for several years. If youre a hold back the only way to do this is to play on an older team. Which is something these platers/parents wont do. They want to be 16 year old freshman playing against players 1-2 years younger.

I was told it would only affect the senior season.

GY for players Senior year in HS makes sense. It adds a little incentive for recruiters to look at older teams.

But, this doesnt change the fact that these players will be raw because they haven't been playing on a team or maybe only high school soccer. Again hold backs dont want to play against players their age.
They'll search out whatever league or school allows them to play down for wins.

You're such a troll

They are, but in other places I've already seen the whole my kid wasn't ready for school as an APRIL b-day and they really want them to play with their "classmates".

A 16 year old freshman in high school is a cheater. You know it and so do I. The problem is some sports have lost the narrative allowing GY. Once one parent cheats by playing down for wins others will do the same. I like how the private school parents like to call it regrading or reclassing to make the practice sound less demeaning.

Are you saying they turn 16 before they start Freshman year? How is that possible unless they repeat a grade - correct? you have to go to school by the time you are six. you don't have to go at 5, but you have to go at 6.

Welcome to the world of holding back your kid for sports greatness.

Yes, different states have rules around how old students can be freshman year. Also yes there are some that allow soon to be 16 year old freshman. Private Schools like to exploit this by encouraging patents to hold their kids back because it makes more money for them. Parents that have gone down the path of holding their kid back will push for GY everywhere so their 16 year old freshman isnt an outcast.

I'm sure this exists but, and my 3 kids all go to one of the top private schools in the country, it is not what I see. Maybe for the private schools that focus on sports (IMG?) rather than academics, but not the elite academic private schools. That said, there are many, many summer birthdays that are the oldest in their class. It is rare for a July or August kid to be the youngest but this is definitely NOT about sports.

July/Aug makes total sense. Things get dicey when you start dipping into March-May, but again those kids are so few and far between, and there are probably other reasons for the hold back, that I'm not sure it makes any noticable impact. But who knows.

If it didnt make a noticeable impact in sports parents wouldn't be doing it. Happens all the time in basketball and football in public schools. Happens all the time in Lacrosse in private schools.

Soccer is an anomaly in that High School is considered lower level than Club. The private schools hate this and its why they create their own leagues. They want cheater rules but they dont want to play against the public schools.

So they just play 8 games and the seasons over? The private schools where I’m from love playing public schools so they can beat them and try and recruit the best middle school kids in the area.

Of course the private schools like playing public schools. A large number of their players are 1-2 years older than the public school players. There's a reason private schools and private school parents "regrade" their kids.

It’s funny club parents endlessly complain about RAE while private school parents actively exploit it.

I went to public high school with 3 guys that I knew of that turned 19 their senior year only one played sports and he wasn’t even that good. Hold back stuff usually has nothing to do with sports.

Yes some private school parents exploit it but I’d guess it’s less than 5% of kids in a graduating class. Stop fear mongering. It’s okay they’re just kids don’t be afraid of them.

Please tell the RAE acolytes who freak out over 2 months to stop fear mongering and let your 16 year old freshman play with 14 year olds.

Good 14 year olds play with 18 year olds.
So a 16 year old coming in would play 17-18 year olds? I don’t see the problem?

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Will GA announce at their conference age group changes or will they stay BY?

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GA is going to SY, we just don’t know which date yet

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Anonymous wrote:GA is going to SY, we just don’t know which date yet

Will that be announced at their conference today?

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Anonymous wrote:GA is going to SY, we just don’t know which date yet

Will that be announced at their conference today?

I’d be surprised if they announce it now the day before playoffs start as it would mean teams will be broken up next year. Quite a distraction and I think they will wait until playoffs are over. Who knows though, it’s a possibility!

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Anonymous wrote:GA is going to SY, we just don’t know which date yet

Will that be announced at their conference today?

I’d be surprised if they announce it now the day before playoffs start as it would mean teams will be broken up next year. Quite a distraction and I think they will wait until playoffs are over. Who knows though, it’s a possibility!

Well this would be the time to bring it up as they are talking about future plans for the GA? At this point it should be common knowledge that teams are changing next year.

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Anonymous wrote:GA is going to SY, we just don’t know which date yet

Will that be announced at their conference today?

I’d be surprised if they announce it now the day before playoffs start as it would mean teams will be broken up next year. Quite a distraction and I think they will wait until playoffs are over. Who knows though, it’s a possibility!

Well this would be the time to bring it up as they are talking about future plans for the GA? At this point it should be common knowledge that teams are changing next year.

Might be the time for GA leadership to discuss verbally 1on1 with different top club DOCs and maybe club owners if this hasn't already occurred. To get their feedback.

I agree that making a public announcement before or during playoffs or finals would be a distraction and a poor decision.

Unless it was SY+60 with a 9/1 cutoff

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At the risk of posting a “this didnt age well”, I would be absolutely shocked if they made a public announcement. They may make a final decision at this meeting, if they hadn’t already, but very small chance they make it public as a distraction for playoff teams. Most parents are not like the ones on this thread and making an announcement at this time has zero upside in my opinion. And probably not until after Virginia final rounds. I assume ~August 1st date.

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Anonymous wrote:At the risk of posting a “this didnt age well”, I would be absolutely shocked if they made a public announcement. They may make a final decision at this meeting, if they hadn’t already, but very small chance they make it public as a distraction for playoff teams. Most parents are not like the ones on this thread and making an announcement at this time has zero upside in my opinion. And probably not until after Virginia final rounds. I assume ~August 1st date.

It’s a paid event so anyone can go listen to what they have to say. So they are either going to bring it up or not.

US club has their NPL, RL, ECNL nationals and just announced 8/1?

I don’t think it’s effecting anyone getting ready for nationals.

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Anonymous wrote:At the risk of posting a “this didnt age well”, I would be absolutely shocked if they made a public announcement. They may make a final decision at this meeting, if they hadn’t already, but very small chance they make it public as a distraction for playoff teams. Most parents are not like the ones on this thread and making an announcement at this time has zero upside in my opinion. And probably not until after Virginia final rounds. I assume ~August 1st date.

It’s a paid event so anyone can go listen to what they have to say. So they are either going to bring it up or not.

US club has their NPL, RL, ECNL nationals and just announced 8/1?

I don’t think it’s effecting anyone getting ready for nationals.

US Club announced 8/1 before playoffs because they had to. People hated 9/1. If they didnt make the change they would have been hounded about it.

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Anonymous wrote:At the risk of posting a “this didnt age well”, I would be absolutely shocked if they made a public announcement. They may make a final decision at this meeting, if they hadn’t already, but very small chance they make it public as a distraction for playoff teams. Most parents are not like the ones on this thread and making an announcement at this time has zero upside in my opinion. And probably not until after Virginia final rounds. I assume ~August 1st date.

It’s a paid event so anyone can go listen to what they have to say. So they are either going to bring it up or not.

US club has their NPL, RL, ECNL nationals and just announced 8/1?

I don’t think it’s effecting anyone getting ready for nationals.

Most GA parents that I've spoken with arent as keyed into switching from BY to SY. They just dont seem to care as much as ECNL parents do. Also many GA clubs are am MLSN so this might be part of the decision process.