What happened to this California family?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I posted a map way earlier in thread to show the Hites Cove Trail Rd, the easier trail and a great catch by a pp. When I first saw the map, I was ahhh they took the wrong trail on the right, Hites Cove Trail (san Road). Now, I'm leaning toward something more. I won't say because it's ongoing. But I agree with other pp's, the parents were negligent before they even stepped on the trail. If only one parent survived, I'd bet they'd be lawyering up on suspicion of negligent homicide. The pp that said it's as bad as leaving a child/pet in a hot car was spot on. It's so tragic, and was so preventable. The real victims are the baby and dog. It all feels wrong. I got a weird vibe looking at the family picture. Nanny must have been interviewed in depth about the parents. Also, I agree with another poster about the oddity of mom not having a cell, and dad not having an emergency location device.

Wish the "Spirit Reader" would chime in.

Come on, please tell us (bolded). Those of us who have read 100+ pages of this thread pages are listening.

Tried to fix the format above, but I was curious about PP's "leaning toward something more. I won't say because it's ongoing." Interested to hear.

+1 Spill! I fixed the format and everything.

Please tell us, why wouldn’t you?!

Because then we’d all know she’s badsh1t crazy.

[Anonymous]

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Someone alluded to some kind of speculation on social media that’s been forbidden on WS to be discussed (because unproven at this time). I’m dying to know what it is!

WS is victim friendly so they don't allow speculation about murder/suicide without there being any official announcement from law enforcement.

Too bad DCUM isn’t “victim friendly”.

It’s 95% posters trying to viciously victim blame.

It's better than blaming the nanny or the parents of a 30yo and 45yo.

All of it is bad.

Just stop.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But here’s my thought on heatstroke - wouldn’t it take severity per person at different rates? Both adults probably wouldn’t get it and pass away at the exact same time or at the same severity, no? So maybe one succumbed 3-5hours after the other or the baby sooner than the adults. I can’t see heatstroke killing everyone at the exact same time - exact moment, hour, etc without there being some spacing between each based on body mass, fitness, hydration/dehydration levels, etc…

That is what I got stuck on but then realized they did not have to die at the same time. They likely stopped to try to rest. The husband died and it coukd have taken awhile before the wife fully realized or pulled herself together enough to try to go for help. The baby and the dog were both attached to the husband, so they could have died hours later.

Dogs are much more susceptible to heatstroke than humans. Humans evolved with elaborate cooling mechanisms that dogs just don't have. With Oski having to be carried and the adults taking turns, it was hard on them both and made them both more susceptible to heatstroke themselves due to the additional exertion. If they were load sharing carrying the baby and dog and refusing to separate to allow the healthier person to go for help, they were trapped in the same spiral.

you're speaking like you know for a fact this is what happened. i am still in camp FA.

[Anonymous]

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Someone alluded to some kind of speculation on social media that’s been forbidden on WS to be discussed (because unproven at this time). I’m dying to know what it is!

WS is victim friendly so they don't allow speculation about murder/suicide without there being any official announcement from law enforcement.

Too bad DCUM isn’t “victim friendly”.

It’s 95% posters trying to viciously victim blame.

You clearly haven’t read the thread. A good 75% or more of us are just trying to solve the mystery with the clues we’ve been given. If it turns out to be heatstroke, I think some parent-blaming is appropriate at that time, but not before, unless there are extenuating circumstances it’s hard to imagine from what we know. Guessing that it’s murder-suicide doesn’t count as victim blaming.

95% were murder-suicide or “they were terrible parents based on these random assumptions I made”. None of it is respectful unless you have actual facts.

Nasty, nasty victim blamers.

Is it mental illness? People with anxiety projecting all of their self-concerns on these people?

Calm down. We’re just talking on a message board. It’s not that serious. Nothing we do or don’t say will make any difference with regard to what happened in this case.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But here’s my thought on heatstroke - wouldn’t it take severity per person at different rates? Both adults probably wouldn’t get it and pass away at the exact same time or at the same severity, no? So maybe one succumbed 3-5hours after the other or the baby sooner than the adults. I can’t see heatstroke killing everyone at the exact same time - exact moment, hour, etc without there being some spacing between each based on body mass, fitness, hydration/dehydration levels, etc…

That is what I got stuck on but then realized they did not have to die at the same time. They likely stopped to try to rest. The husband died and it coukd have taken awhile before the wife fully realized or pulled herself together enough to try to go for help. The baby and the dog were both attached to the husband, so they could have died hours later.

Dogs are much more susceptible to heatstroke than humans. Humans evolved with elaborate cooling mechanisms that dogs just don't have. With Oski having to be carried and the adults taking turns, it was hard on them both and made them both more susceptible to heatstroke themselves due to the additional exertion. If they were load sharing carrying the baby and dog and refusing to separate to allow the healthier person to go for help, they were trapped in the same spiral.

Yes. This is the best guess I’ve seen so far.

I agree with this too. I wonder then if the baby was the last one to pass away… It’s heartbreaking to think about it but she was found strapped in the carrier next to dad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But here’s my thought on heatstroke - wouldn’t it take severity per person at different rates? Both adults probably wouldn’t get it and pass away at the exact same time or at the same severity, no? So maybe one succumbed 3-5hours after the other or the baby sooner than the adults. I can’t see heatstroke killing everyone at the exact same time - exact moment, hour, etc without there being some spacing between each based on body mass, fitness, hydration/dehydration levels, etc…

That is what I got stuck on but then realized they did not have to die at the same time. They likely stopped to try to rest. The husband died and it coukd have taken awhile before the wife fully realized or pulled herself together enough to try to go for help. The baby and the dog were both attached to the husband, so they could have died hours later.

Dogs are much more susceptible to heatstroke than humans. Humans evolved with elaborate cooling mechanisms that dogs just don't have. With Oski having to be carried and the adults taking turns, it was hard on them both and made them both more susceptible to heatstroke themselves due to the additional exertion. If they were load sharing carrying the baby and dog and refusing to separate to allow the healthier person to go for help, they were trapped in the same spiral.

Yes. This is the best guess I’ve seen so far.

I agree with this too. I wonder then if the baby was the last one to pass away… It’s heartbreaking to think about it but she was found strapped in the carrier next to dad.

According to most people in this thread the baby died in the first 100 yards of the hike due to 120 degree heat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But here’s my thought on heatstroke - wouldn’t it take severity per person at different rates? Both adults probably wouldn’t get it and pass away at the exact same time or at the same severity, no? So maybe one succumbed 3-5hours after the other or the baby sooner than the adults. I can’t see heatstroke killing everyone at the exact same time - exact moment, hour, etc without there being some spacing between each based on body mass, fitness, hydration/dehydration levels, etc…

That is what I got stuck on but then realized they did not have to die at the same time. They likely stopped to try to rest. The husband died and it coukd have taken awhile before the wife fully realized or pulled herself together enough to try to go for help. The baby and the dog were both attached to the husband, so they could have died hours later.

Dogs are much more susceptible to heatstroke than humans. Humans evolved with elaborate cooling mechanisms that dogs just don't have. With Oski having to be carried and the adults taking turns, it was hard on them both and made them both more susceptible to heatstroke themselves due to the additional exertion. If they were load sharing carrying the baby and dog and refusing to separate to allow the healthier person to go for help, they were trapped in the same spiral.

you're speaking like you know for a fact this is what happened. i am still in camp FA.

I keep seeing FA mentioned time to time. What does it mean?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But here’s my thought on heatstroke - wouldn’t it take severity per person at different rates? Both adults probably wouldn’t get it and pass away at the exact same time or at the same severity, no? So maybe one succumbed 3-5hours after the other or the baby sooner than the adults. I can’t see heatstroke killing everyone at the exact same time - exact moment, hour, etc without there being some spacing between each based on body mass, fitness, hydration/dehydration levels, etc…

That is what I got stuck on but then realized they did not have to die at the same time. They likely stopped to try to rest. The husband died and it coukd have taken awhile before the wife fully realized or pulled herself together enough to try to go for help. The baby and the dog were both attached to the husband, so they could have died hours later.

Dogs are much more susceptible to heatstroke than humans. Humans evolved with elaborate cooling mechanisms that dogs just don't have. With Oski having to be carried and the adults taking turns, it was hard on them both and made them both more susceptible to heatstroke themselves due to the additional exertion. If they were load sharing carrying the baby and dog and refusing to separate to allow the healthier person to go for help, they were trapped in the same spiral.

you're speaking like you know for a fact this is what happened. i am still in camp FA.

I keep seeing FA mentioned time to time. What does it mean?

Murder suicide

Family annihilation

Obviously this is not what happened here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Someone alluded to some kind of speculation on social media that’s been forbidden on WS to be discussed (because unproven at this time). I’m dying to know what it is!

WS is victim friendly so they don't allow speculation about murder/suicide without there being any official announcement from law enforcement.

Too bad DCUM isn’t “victim friendly”.

It’s 95% posters trying to viciously victim blame.

It's better than blaming the nanny or the parents of a 30yo and 45yo.

All of it is bad.

Just stop.

Stay off the thread if it bothers you. Let the rest of discuss our theories and dissect possible motives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But here’s my thought on heatstroke - wouldn’t it take severity per person at different rates? Both adults probably wouldn’t get it and pass away at the exact same time or at the same severity, no? So maybe one succumbed 3-5hours after the other or the baby sooner than the adults. I can’t see heatstroke killing everyone at the exact same time - exact moment, hour, etc without there being some spacing between each based on body mass, fitness, hydration/dehydration levels, etc…

That is what I got stuck on but then realized they did not have to die at the same time. They likely stopped to try to rest. The husband died and it coukd have taken awhile before the wife fully realized or pulled herself together enough to try to go for help. The baby and the dog were both attached to the husband, so they could have died hours later.

Dogs are much more susceptible to heatstroke than humans. Humans evolved with elaborate cooling mechanisms that dogs just don't have. With Oski having to be carried and the adults taking turns, it was hard on them both and made them both more susceptible to heatstroke themselves due to the additional exertion. If they were load sharing carrying the baby and dog and refusing to separate to allow the healthier person to go for help, they were trapped in the same spiral.

you're speaking like you know for a fact this is what happened. i am still in camp FA.

I keep seeing FA mentioned time to time. What does it mean?

Murder suicide

Family annihilation

Obviously this is not what happened here.

Nothing is obvious. We don’t have all the facts so FA is just as valid a theory for now as heatstroke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But here’s my thought on heatstroke - wouldn’t it take severity per person at different rates? Both adults probably wouldn’t get it and pass away at the exact same time or at the same severity, no? So maybe one succumbed 3-5hours after the other or the baby sooner than the adults. I can’t see heatstroke killing everyone at the exact same time - exact moment, hour, etc without there being some spacing between each based on body mass, fitness, hydration/dehydration levels, etc…

That is what I got stuck on but then realized they did not have to die at the same time. They likely stopped to try to rest. The husband died and it coukd have taken awhile before the wife fully realized or pulled herself together enough to try to go for help. The baby and the dog were both attached to the husband, so they could have died hours later.

Dogs are much more susceptible to heatstroke than humans. Humans evolved with elaborate cooling mechanisms that dogs just don't have. With Oski having to be carried and the adults taking turns, it was hard on them both and made them both more susceptible to heatstroke themselves due to the additional exertion. If they were load sharing carrying the baby and dog and refusing to separate to allow the healthier person to go for help, they were trapped in the same spiral.

you're speaking like you know for a fact this is what happened. i am still in camp FA.

I keep seeing FA mentioned time to time. What does it mean?

Murder suicide

Family annihilation

Obviously this is not what happened here.

Then why are the police being cagey, sending out special tox reports on their water canteens, not just calling it heat stroke and moving on?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But here’s my thought on heatstroke - wouldn’t it take severity per person at different rates? Both adults probably wouldn’t get it and pass away at the exact same time or at the same severity, no? So maybe one succumbed 3-5hours after the other or the baby sooner than the adults. I can’t see heatstroke killing everyone at the exact same time - exact moment, hour, etc without there being some spacing between each based on body mass, fitness, hydration/dehydration levels, etc…

That is what I got stuck on but then realized they did not have to die at the same time. They likely stopped to try to rest. The husband died and it coukd have taken awhile before the wife fully realized or pulled herself together enough to try to go for help. The baby and the dog were both attached to the husband, so they could have died hours later.

Dogs are much more susceptible to heatstroke than humans. Humans evolved with elaborate cooling mechanisms that dogs just don't have. With Oski having to be carried and the adults taking turns, it was hard on them both and made them both more susceptible to heatstroke themselves due to the additional exertion. If they were load sharing carrying the baby and dog and refusing to separate to allow the healthier person to go for help, they were trapped in the same spiral.

you're speaking like you know for a fact this is what happened. i am still in camp FA.

I keep seeing FA mentioned time to time. What does it mean?

Family annihilation... aka murder/suicide.

It is a fact that dogs are prone to heat stroke in conditions that are perfectly manageable for humans. Any significant amount of exercise in hot weather is potentially catastrophic for them because the only way they have to expel heat is by panting and through the pads on their paws.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But here’s my thought on heatstroke - wouldn’t it take severity per person at different rates? Both adults probably wouldn’t get it and pass away at the exact same time or at the same severity, no? So maybe one succumbed 3-5hours after the other or the baby sooner than the adults. I can’t see heatstroke killing everyone at the exact same time - exact moment, hour, etc without there being some spacing between each based on body mass, fitness, hydration/dehydration levels, etc…

That is what I got stuck on but then realized they did not have to die at the same time. They likely stopped to try to rest. The husband died and it coukd have taken awhile before the wife fully realized or pulled herself together enough to try to go for help. The baby and the dog were both attached to the husband, so they could have died hours later.

Dogs are much more susceptible to heatstroke than humans. Humans evolved with elaborate cooling mechanisms that dogs just don't have. With Oski having to be carried and the adults taking turns, it was hard on them both and made them both more susceptible to heatstroke themselves due to the additional exertion. If they were load sharing carrying the baby and dog and refusing to separate to allow the healthier person to go for help, they were trapped in the same spiral.

you're speaking like you know for a fact this is what happened. i am still in camp FA.

I keep seeing FA mentioned time to time. What does it mean?

Murder suicide

Family annihilation

Obviously this is not what happened here.

Nothing is obvious. We don’t have all the facts so FA is just as valid a theory for now as heatstroke.

They closed the trail for hazards. Heat might be considered a hazard. Or something else. Murder could not be.

That is not what happened here.

[Anonymous]

All trails (9 trails) and picnic sites (6) in the immediate area have been closed. “We are uncertain of the causes of death. We still haven’t gotten the results from the case,” said Leak Pen, assistant recreation officer at the Bass Lake Ranger District, which oversees that portion of the Sierra National Forest. “So, as a precaution, let’s go ahead and close it because we know there’s some form of hazard to the public.”
https://www.sfchronicle.com/california/article/Feds-close-trails-near-mysterious-Mariposa-County-16426022.php

[Anonymous]

Ok... New theory.
So, it's an 8 mile hike. Say around mile 5 mom starts to get heat exhaustion. Tried, dizzy, nauseous. Pretty soon she's weak and/or passes out.
It's still quickest to keep going, so, Dad has to support or carry mom along with baby.
Eventually, say around mile 6, he can't support them both, (or she fully passes out).
So, he sets down the baby in the pack, carries mom 100 yards, sets her down, goes back, carries baby to mom. Sets down baby, carries mom another hundred yards, goes back for baby. A half mile of that he's exhausted, he sets mom down, goes to get baby
Sits down next to baby to rest and succumbs to heat stroke.

That would explain placement and different times to succumb to heat stroke.

Ugghh, writing this out sounds awful.i think murder suicide. Would be a better way to go..