Walz vs. Vance: VP Debate Oct 1 2024

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And the carousel of Republican respectability moves forward. Every year we get to hear about how the Republicans of yesteryear were actually the normal good ones and the current ones are "scary" "fascist" "chilling." It's been going on since W when I was a young teen.

Such utter BS. Yes, I loathed Bush, Jr. No, I NEVER feared that he would try to overthrow an election. He was able to express genuine sympathy at memorials. He didn’t call his opponents Tampons. If you can’t see the difference it’s because your lips are stuck to Trump’s @ss limiting your vision.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/dec/24/uselections2000.usa2
Here's a contemporary source saying Bush pulled off a COUP. Yes, this is what everyone was saying back then. That he stole the election. I disliked him then and now, I don't care whose funeral he cried at.
Trump will be dead soon and you'll be saying he wasn't that bad, the NEW GUY is the real devil.

He and the supreme court indeed stole the election, thanks in part to the Roger Stone Brooks Brothers riots) that starred, among others, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Barrett,

That may be true. The point is, his reputation has been completely rehabilitated 20 years later and Dems all talk about him fondly. FONDLY! It would have been unthinkable to imagine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Vance is why we pick the bear.

+1

[Anonymous]

Unlike the debates with the presidential candidates (Biden was incoherent in the first while Trump was just name-calling and insulting in the second), this was actually a respectful exchange of ideas. Imagine that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the carousel of Republican respectability moves forward. Every year we get to hear about how the Republicans of yesteryear were actually the normal good ones and the current ones are "scary" "fascist" "chilling." It's been going on since W when I was a young teen.

Such utter BS. Yes, I loathed Bush, Jr. No, I NEVER feared that he would try to overthrow an election. He was able to express genuine sympathy at memorials. He didn’t call his opponents Tampons. If you can’t see the difference it’s because your lips are stuck to Trump’s @ss limiting your vision.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/dec/24/uselections2000.usa2
Here's a contemporary source saying Bush pulled off a COUP. Yes, this is what everyone was saying back then. That he stole the election. I disliked him then and now, I don't care whose funeral he cried at.
Trump will be dead soon and you'll be saying he wasn't that bad, the NEW GUY is the real devil.

The Sup Ct stole the 2000 election for him. And we just accepted it! I still can't believe we just accepted it. But I guess we all believed in the Sup Ct still back then.

Sometimes you don't know how bad things can be until you see it right in front of you. I'm in my 50s now. Trump is bad. He is so, so, unfathomably bad.

And still if a half century of life has taught me anything, it's possible one day someone will be worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the carousel of Republican respectability moves forward. Every year we get to hear about how the Republicans of yesteryear were actually the normal good ones and the current ones are "scary" "fascist" "chilling." It's been going on since W when I was a young teen.

Such utter BS. Yes, I loathed Bush, Jr. No, I NEVER feared that he would try to overthrow an election. He was able to express genuine sympathy at memorials. He didn’t call his opponents Tampons. If you can’t see the difference it’s because your lips are stuck to Trump’s @ss limiting your vision.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/dec/24/uselections2000.usa2
Here's a contemporary source saying Bush pulled off a COUP. Yes, this is what everyone was saying back then. That he stole the election. I disliked him then and now, I don't care whose funeral he cried at.
Trump will be dead soon and you'll be saying he wasn't that bad, the NEW GUY is the real devil.

He and the supreme court indeed stole the election, thanks in part to the Roger Stone Brooks Brothers riots) that starred, among others, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Barrett,

That may be true. The point is, his reputation has been completely rehabilitated 20 years later and Dems all talk about him fondly. FONDLY! It would have been unthinkable to imagine.

That's because things get hazy with time. And it's because he's become a recluse painter who is friends with Michelle Obama since the WH. And it's because Trump is so f'in monstrous that Dick Cheney has now joined Team Kamala. Life is different now, than it was when W was in office, and that makes us different, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unlike the debates with the presidential candidates (Biden was incoherent in the first while Trump was just name-calling and insulting in the second), this was actually a respectful exchange of ideas. Imagine that!

Yes, it was memorable for the civility!! ( which should be a baseline)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This debate will be studied for years. Vance was extremely impressive. Great pick by Trump.

Depends on what you want out of a VP. If you want a VP who is a lot like you, will pander to you shamelessly, and is skilled in the art of self abasement, then Vance was probably a great pick. Vance is almost as big of a slimeball as Trump. They are both snake oil salesmen with outlines of ideas of plans that are a mile wide and an inch deep. They will both say anything or do anything (legal or otherwise) to get elected. They both lie constantly (“you promised you wouldn’t fact check me!”) and without apology. He is younger and more polished and coherent than Trump. But they both are saying the same thing. Vance is there to serve as a fluffer for Trump— nothing more. The cross tabs of independents cited above show that Vance will not get Trump a single electoral vote he didn’t already have. And he may be costing Trump votes among women in swing states. If Trump had swallowed his pride and had put Haley on the ticket, Dems would really be inn trouble. She would actually get Trump new voters and would neutralize some of the problems Rs have with women voters.

But Trump has a ginormous ego and needs a lot of fluffing. So yeah, Vance’s obsequiousness probably keeps him calm and on task. And Trump likes to think he is as young, (relatively) attractive and articulate as Vance. Having a VP candidate out of what Trump views as “central casting” also helps his ego. Because nothing is more dangerous for Trump than a wounded ego. He’s a prototypical malignant narcissist, and having a VP candidate imply in some manner, in public or in private, that Trump is wrong (about anything) would sent him spiraling and remind America why they fired him. Basically, Vance is Trump’s babysitter and allows him to double down on his base. But, his base was always going to be non-persuadable for Dems.

Harris went a different way, and her VP is outreach to Blue Wall voters, the Midwest and the white middle class. Walz gets her votes from these demos. But Harris is a professional, is mentally stable and doesn’t need fluffing. So, she is fine with having a VP who is very different from herself and isn’t goose stepping to the beat of her drum. If she were following Trump’s strategy, we would be looking at someone like AOC as the VP candidate.

So, not smart, because Vance is unlikely to get Trump a single extra electoral vote. But at the same time, smart because, after Pence, if Trump’s VP candidate wasn’t willing to do a 180 on abortion or other core principles, and wasn’t willing to say that Trump won the electoral college in 2020 and he would have not counted electoral votes from swing states, Trump would melt down. And that loses Trump votes.

In and of himself, JD is a nothing burger. A senator for two years who wrote a book (not exactly rare among Senators) and has thus far accomplished nothing beyond writing the forward to Project 2025. But p, that lets Trump project whatever he wants to onto Jaddy.

[Anonymous]

Main stream media is going nuts because they were unable to manipulate how Vance appeared. They had published so much garbage , it is like they are out to target anyone that supports America first

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Main stream media is going nuts because they were unable to manipulate how Vance appeared. They had published so much garbage , it is like they are out to target anyone that supports America first

How is publishing raw video of Vance trying to order doughnuts "garbage"?

the guy is a creepy, unsocial person, who gives off daterapey vibes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't want to be fact checked should be disqualified...what is the point otherwise? I want to believe my leaders whether or not I agree with them who wants to be gaslighted for 4 years?? I don't want to hear lies that make me happy. I want to hear the truth.

Politicians already get a bad rep for being slimy, smooth, not answering direct questions and outright lying. Vance acted like a exaggerated version of a "bad politician" trope last night. Vance was lying about obvious, proveable things (Donald Trump lost in 2020 (he did), Donald Trump peacefully transferred power in 2020 (he didn't), Donald Trump promoted ACA/Obamacare (he didn't), Haitian immigrant community in Springfield are illegals (they aren't), Vance never in favor of national abortion ban (he's on record and audio saying he would like an national abortion ban).

It was a crazy amount of lies on big, major, important significant things. How does Vance tell such enormous, egregious lies with such ...ease??

It's chilling.

He’s a conniving sociopath. It’s interesting how hysterical Democrats are over Trump when Vance is the real evil on that ticket. He’s young too. He’s going to be a threat to this nation for a long time.

Vance scares me more than Trump. At least Trump is openly a horrible person.

It’s interesting. I think the Trump campaign underestimated the visceral response most women have to Vance. Which is that he is not to be trusted. And his smooth debate performance just made him seem less trustworthy.

With the filtered photo of Vance with his contoured face and the MAGA trolling about how studly and educated he is, it just adds to the yuck factor.

We need to steer clear of Vance. Definite stranger danger vibes.

I'm the PP who said Vance is scarier than Trump. I was discussing this with a group of female friends (I'm a woman) over the weekend. We all said Vance gives off the vibe of a guy we learned not to trust when we were younger. I don't think a group of men would pick up on the same kind of vibe. And of course, he's done himself no favors with how he's spoken about women throughout his career.

Vance is the reason that women choose the Bear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Main stream media is going nuts because they were unable to manipulate how Vance appeared. They had published so much garbage , it is like they are out to target anyone that supports America first

Actual video and audio recordings of Vance and his opinions and behavior are garbage?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't want to be fact checked should be disqualified...what is the point otherwise? I want to believe my leaders whether or not I agree with them who wants to be gaslighted for 4 years?? I don't want to hear lies that make me happy. I want to hear the truth.

Politicians already get a bad rep for being slimy, smooth, not answering direct questions and outright lying. Vance acted like a exaggerated version of a "bad politician" trope last night. Vance was lying about obvious, proveable things (Donald Trump lost in 2020 (he did), Donald Trump peacefully transferred power in 2020 (he didn't), Donald Trump promoted ACA/Obamacare (he didn't), Haitian immigrant community in Springfield are illegals (they aren't), Vance never in favor of national abortion ban (he's on record and audio saying he would like an national abortion ban).

It was a crazy amount of lies on big, major, important significant things. How does Vance tell such enormous, egregious lies with such ...ease??

It's chilling.

He’s a conniving sociopath. It’s interesting how hysterical Democrats are over Trump when Vance is the real evil on that ticket. He’s young too. He’s going to be a threat to this nation for a long time.

Vance scares me more than Trump. At least Trump is openly a horrible person.

It’s interesting. I think the Trump campaign underestimated the visceral response most women have to Vance. Which is that he is not to be trusted. And his smooth debate performance just made him seem less trustworthy.

With the filtered photo of Vance with his contoured face and the MAGA trolling about how studly and educated he is, it just adds to the yuck factor.

We need to steer clear of Vance. Definite stranger danger vibes.

I'm the PP who said Vance is scarier than Trump. I was discussing this with a group of female friends (I'm a woman) over the weekend. We all said Vance gives off the vibe of a guy we learned not to trust when we were younger. I don't think a group of men would pick up on the same kind of vibe. And of course, he's done himself no favors with how he's spoken about women throughout his career.

Vance is the reason that women choose the Bear.

Jinx!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't want to be fact checked should be disqualified...what is the point otherwise? I want to believe my leaders whether or not I agree with them who wants to be gaslighted for 4 years?? I don't want to hear lies that make me happy. I want to hear the truth.

Politicians already get a bad rep for being slimy, smooth, not answering direct questions and outright lying. Vance acted like a exaggerated version of a "bad politician" trope last night. Vance was lying about obvious, proveable things (Donald Trump lost in 2020 (he did), Donald Trump peacefully transferred power in 2020 (he didn't), Donald Trump promoted ACA/Obamacare (he didn't), Haitian immigrant community in Springfield are illegals (they aren't), Vance never in favor of national abortion ban (he's on record and audio saying he would like an national abortion ban).

It was a crazy amount of lies on big, major, important significant things. How does Vance tell such enormous, egregious lies with such ...ease??

It's chilling.

He’s a conniving sociopath. It’s interesting how hysterical Democrats are over Trump when Vance is the real evil on that ticket. He’s young too. He’s going to be a threat to this nation for a long time.

Vance scares me more than Trump. At least Trump is openly a horrible person.

It’s interesting. I think the Trump campaign underestimated the visceral response most women have to Vance. Which is that he is not to be trusted. And his smooth debate performance just made him seem less trustworthy.

With the filtered photo of Vance with his contoured face and the MAGA trolling about how studly and educated he is, it just adds to the yuck factor.

We need to steer clear of Vance. Definite stranger danger vibes.

I'm the PP who said Vance is scarier than Trump. I was discussing this with a group of female friends (I'm a woman) over the weekend. We all said Vance gives off the vibe of a guy we learned not to trust when we were younger. I don't think a group of men would pick up on the same kind of vibe. And of course, he's done himself no favors with how he's spoken about women throughout his career.

Vance is the reason that women choose the Bear.

In the movie Vance would be the weasel who throws you in the bear's path to save himself.

[Anonymous]

It’s so shocking that creepy guy like Vance and rapists like Trump are trying to strip women of bodily autonomy and access to birth control. It’s almost like they want them barefoot and pregnant and are supremely angry at childless cat ladies reject them and are taking white men jobs.

These guys are so predictable and pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the carousel of Republican respectability moves forward. Every year we get to hear about how the Republicans of yesteryear were actually the normal good ones and the current ones are "scary" "fascist" "chilling." It's been going on since W when I was a young teen.

Such utter BS. Yes, I loathed Bush, Jr. No, I NEVER feared that he would try to overthrow an election. He was able to express genuine sympathy at memorials. He didn’t call his opponents Tampons. If you can’t see the difference it’s because your lips are stuck to Trump’s @ss limiting your vision.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/dec/24/uselections2000.usa2
Here's a contemporary source saying Bush pulled off a COUP. Yes, this is what everyone was saying back then. That he stole the election. I disliked him then and now, I don't care whose funeral he cried at.
Trump will be dead soon and you'll be saying he wasn't that bad, the NEW GUY is the real devil.

He and the supreme court indeed stole the election, thanks in part to the Roger Stone Brooks Brothers riots) that starred, among others, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Barrett,

That may be true. The point is, his reputation has been completely rehabilitated 20 years later and Dems all talk about him fondly. FONDLY! It would have been unthinkable to imagine.

That's because things get hazy with time. And it's because he's become a recluse painter who is friends with Michelle Obama since the WH. And it's because Trump is so f'in monstrous that Dick Cheney has now joined Team Kamala. Life is different now, than it was when W was in office, and that makes us different, too.

The real truth is that people have forgotten Bush and Cheney's misdeeds because they did not have their homeland burned to the ground and hundreds of thousands of their compatriots killed as a result of the conflict they triggered.

You can be sure all the terrorist cells that sprung up in the wake of Bush and Co. are taught to hate America because of actual, real, acts of terror. American ones.

So yes, they were arrogant men who didn't care about others living on the other side of the world. They have shaped the Middle East we know today.