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Anonymous wrote:Maret has less work and grade deflation than NCS or Sidwell (average GPA is around 3.7 vs 3.5 at NCS)

Is this confirmed as true? That is much higher as 3.7 is the cut off for many colleges. Friends who worked in admissions for colleges even admit this.

No, it’s not true. However, this is DCUM where people lie about everything to try to make a point. Maret’s mean (average) GPA for graduating seniors has ranged from 3.59 (2021) to 3.70 (2023). The average GPA for the c/o 2024 is a 3.64.

So, the answer is 3.64, which is historically more typical for Maret.

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1697637161/maret/cvhkhz1fyj0cei6s4emr/Maret-Profile-2023_2024.pdf

Ok, so the average GPA for the last Maret graduating class (2023) was a 3.7 and I posted it was a 3.7 and yet I'm lying to make a point?
OK.

No, the average and most recent Maret GPA (c/o 2024) is a 3.64. You made it sound like a 3.70 is typical. It is not.

3.64 is still high

It’s high-ish, but there’s a noticeable difference between a 3.64 and a 3.70. I’m also not sure that a 3.64 is much higher than Sidwell’s average. However, it’s hard to tell since Sidwell doesn’t rank or calculate GPAs until junior year. Any Sidwell parents, with facts (not opinions) care to chime in?

It's all much higher than NCS. They have told us that the average is 3.5.
Sigh.
This can't be good.

Have you talked to NCS? Complaining here will do absolutely nothing! I’m starting to think you’re not really an Ncs parent because you should not really care what the entire grade’s gpa is but rather at this point you should know what your own daughters GPA is no? What matters is your daughters gpa. If it is a 3.5 then yes I would be worried.

That's a good point. My daughter's GPA is not a 3.5 but I have a younger daughter who does not do as well in school and I guess I worry that the school would allow teachers to get an average GPA of 3.5.
Yes, the junior class has been told that the classes' average GPA is a 3.5.

What does school say when you express these concerns???? You realize posting here does nothing??????

My older daughter is a junior. What's done is done. We (and everyone we know) did not realize the reality of deflated grades and college admissions until this year.
We always just figured it would "work out" and that colleges understood (and cared) about the rigor. My junior has decent grades (well above the average for the class) so she'll be ok. She's not going to HYP but she'll have options.

My younger daughter is in middle school. We like the middle school--it is kind and gentle and well run. We're going to move her before high school. My experience with NCS is that the administration is not receptive to any feedback
(probably because they get so much) and they are fully supportive about NCS' identity as a school with very difficult grading. The HOS said herself at a recent parent association meeting (to paraphrase) "our identity is to be a very rigorous schools with very hard grading".

Things won't change until they have a large percentage of a class fail to matriculate at competitive colleges. Maybe that will be this year, maybe next year, maybe never. Who knows. Admission results are always very cloudy at a school like this because there are plenty of hooked kids whose applications don't follow the "rules".... I.e. they have a sub 3.5 GPA but the parents have a connection somewhere so they call in a favor and the kid gets one admit WAY beyond their pay grade or those of their classmates (I.e. a top 50 admit with a 3.3 GPA). So for stats purposes NCS looks like a success for this student although ultimately it was a due to a favor called in by the parents in the 11th hour.

We had 2 girls graduate from NCS and currently in college, so recent experience. We decided to send our younger DC to a non-big3 school after going through the college process and dealing with applying to colleges with 3.4 GPAs from NCS. The grading is ridiculous. For example, college kid just called and said they got a score of 100 on an essay. Not one point off. Four years of english at NCS and only received an A the year they were taking it at STA. Every other year it was a B+ (usually an 88). So she is obviously well prepared for college, but the grading wears the girls down. They work so, so hard and my girls both said they never really felt smart until they went to college. I wanted something healthier for DC#3.

Where did your daughters get in with a 3.4? Not specific school but type or range?

Colleges in range for NCS 3.4 girls in recent years:
Penn State, Drexel, Temple, Tulane
Bucknell, Denison
St Andrews

what about SLACs? Kenyon, Davidson, Carleton, Wesleyan?

Davidson and Wesleyan--no. Those are 3.8+ at NCS.
Kenyon and Carleton--maybe.

why are you posting all of this info? if they are not an ncs parent they do not need to know. please stop. if they are truly an ncs parent which they clearly are not then they should look it up for themselves.

I guess I don't agree with hiding this from the lower classmen or the outside world. I'm in favor of what Harvard Westlake does.

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Why not post it? If it is true, it is very helpful to parents and kids in deciding on realistic plans for college applications. It is very difficult to get good information from any school staff at many DC privates.

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Note, I am not the person who posted the info on NCS.

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Anonymous wrote:Maret has less work and grade deflation than NCS or Sidwell (average GPA is around 3.7 vs 3.5 at NCS)

Is this confirmed as true? That is much higher as 3.7 is the cut off for many colleges. Friends who worked in admissions for colleges even admit this.

No, it’s not true. However, this is DCUM where people lie about everything to try to make a point. Maret’s mean (average) GPA for graduating seniors has ranged from 3.59 (2021) to 3.70 (2023). The average GPA for the c/o 2024 is a 3.64.

So, the answer is 3.64, which is historically more typical for Maret.

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1697637161/maret/cvhkhz1fyj0cei6s4emr/Maret-Profile-2023_2024.pdf

Ok, so the average GPA for the last Maret graduating class (2023) was a 3.7 and I posted it was a 3.7 and yet I'm lying to make a point?
OK.

No, the average and most recent Maret GPA (c/o 2024) is a 3.64. You made it sound like a 3.70 is typical. It is not.

3.64 is still high

It’s high-ish, but there’s a noticeable difference between a 3.64 and a 3.70. I’m also not sure that a 3.64 is much higher than Sidwell’s average. However, it’s hard to tell since Sidwell doesn’t rank or calculate GPAs until junior year. Any Sidwell parents, with facts (not opinions) care to chime in?

It's all much higher than NCS. They have told us that the average is 3.5.
Sigh.
This can't be good.

Have you talked to NCS? Complaining here will do absolutely nothing! I’m starting to think you’re not really an Ncs parent because you should not really care what the entire grade’s gpa is but rather at this point you should know what your own daughters GPA is no? What matters is your daughters gpa. If it is a 3.5 then yes I would be worried.

That's a good point. My daughter's GPA is not a 3.5 but I have a younger daughter who does not do as well in school and I guess I worry that the school would allow teachers to get an average GPA of 3.5.
Yes, the junior class has been told that the classes' average GPA is a 3.5.

What does school say when you express these concerns???? You realize posting here does nothing??????

My older daughter is a junior. What's done is done. We (and everyone we know) did not realize the reality of deflated grades and college admissions until this year.
We always just figured it would "work out" and that colleges understood (and cared) about the rigor. My junior has decent grades (well above the average for the class) so she'll be ok. She's not going to HYP but she'll have options.

My younger daughter is in middle school. We like the middle school--it is kind and gentle and well run. We're going to move her before high school. My experience with NCS is that the administration is not receptive to any feedback
(probably because they get so much) and they are fully supportive about NCS' identity as a school with very difficult grading. The HOS said herself at a recent parent association meeting (to paraphrase) "our identity is to be a very rigorous schools with very hard grading".

Things won't change until they have a large percentage of a class fail to matriculate at competitive colleges. Maybe that will be this year, maybe next year, maybe never. Who knows. Admission results are always very cloudy at a school like this because there are plenty of hooked kids whose applications don't follow the "rules".... I.e. they have a sub 3.5 GPA but the parents have a connection somewhere so they call in a favor and the kid gets one admit WAY beyond their pay grade or those of their classmates (I.e. a top 50 admit with a 3.3 GPA). So for stats purposes NCS looks like a success for this student although ultimately it was a due to a favor called in by the parents in the 11th hour.

We had 2 girls graduate from NCS and currently in college, so recent experience. We decided to send our younger DC to a non-big3 school after going through the college process and dealing with applying to colleges with 3.4 GPAs from NCS. The grading is ridiculous. For example, college kid just called and said they got a score of 100 on an essay. Not one point off. Four years of english at NCS and only received an A the year they were taking it at STA. Every other year it was a B+ (usually an 88). So she is obviously well prepared for college, but the grading wears the girls down. They work so, so hard and my girls both said they never really felt smart until they went to college. I wanted something healthier for DC#3.

Where did your daughters get in with a 3.4? Not specific school but type or range?

Colleges in range for NCS 3.4 girls in recent years:
Penn State, Drexel, Temple, Tulane
Bucknell, Denison
St Andrews

what about SLACs? Kenyon, Davidson, Carleton, Wesleyan?

Davidson and Wesleyan--no. Those are 3.8+ at NCS.
Kenyon and Carleton--maybe.

why are you posting all of this info? if they are not an ncs parent they do not need to know. please stop. if they are truly an ncs parent which they clearly are not then they should look it up for themselves.

I guess I don't agree with hiding this from the lower classmen or the outside world. I'm in favor of what Harvard Westlake does.

Will the posters with the kids in middle school have access to scoir for the next 5 years or will it close off access for a few years until their younger kids are in 11th? Just curious if she is going to be posting these intricate private details about the school's college admissions for the next 6 years?

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Posting true info hurts nobody except overpriced private schools. If parents of unhooked kids knew the truth, they might choose public.

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Scoir doesn't really give the true picture because it includes massive numbers of hooked kids.

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I've asked this question below - the college outcomes, by the end of the year, are always very good. Can we expect the same this year? We know only about 20% of the class in a given year has above a 3.8.

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Anonymous wrote:I've asked this question below - the college outcomes, by the end of the year, are always very good. Can we expect the same this year? We know only about 20% of the class in a given year has above a 3.8.

The answer is no one will know until regular decision comes in which is not for another 2 weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Did Visi really have that many acceptances to GU last year??

Fascinating!!

That is not surprising. Lots and lots of legacies.

Sucks for those who are not, though.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Did Visi really have that many acceptances to GU last year??

Fascinating!!

That is not surprising. Lots and lots of legacies.

Sucks for those who are not, though.

Most important to know is what percentage who applied were accepted. I assume they have a large number of applicants?

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Anonymous wrote:Maret has less work and grade deflation than NCS or Sidwell (average GPA is around 3.7 vs 3.5 at NCS)

Is this confirmed as true? That is much higher as 3.7 is the cut off for many colleges. Friends who worked in admissions for colleges even admit this.

No, it’s not true. However, this is DCUM where people lie about everything to try to make a point. Maret’s mean (average) GPA for graduating seniors has ranged from 3.59 (2021) to 3.70 (2023). The average GPA for the c/o 2024 is a 3.64.

So, the answer is 3.64, which is historically more typical for Maret.

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1697637161/maret/cvhkhz1fyj0cei6s4emr/Maret-Profile-2023_2024.pdf

Ok, so the average GPA for the last Maret graduating class (2023) was a 3.7 and I posted it was a 3.7 and yet I'm lying to make a point?
OK.

No, the average and most recent Maret GPA (c/o 2024) is a 3.64. You made it sound like a 3.70 is typical. It is not.

3.64 is still high

It’s high-ish, but there’s a noticeable difference between a 3.64 and a 3.70. I’m also not sure that a 3.64 is much higher than Sidwell’s average. However, it’s hard to tell since Sidwell doesn’t rank or calculate GPAs until junior year. Any Sidwell parents, with facts (not opinions) care to chime in?

It's all much higher than NCS. They have told us that the average is 3.5.
Sigh.
This can't be good.

Have you talked to NCS? Complaining here will do absolutely nothing! I’m starting to think you’re not really an Ncs parent because you should not really care what the entire grade’s gpa is but rather at this point you should know what your own daughters GPA is no? What matters is your daughters gpa. If it is a 3.5 then yes I would be worried.

That's a good point. My daughter's GPA is not a 3.5 but I have a younger daughter who does not do as well in school and I guess I worry that the school would allow teachers to get an average GPA of 3.5.
Yes, the junior class has been told that the classes' average GPA is a 3.5.

What does school say when you express these concerns???? You realize posting here does nothing??????

My older daughter is a junior. What's done is done. We (and everyone we know) did not realize the reality of deflated grades and college admissions until this year.
We always just figured it would "work out" and that colleges understood (and cared) about the rigor. My junior has decent grades (well above the average for the class) so she'll be ok. She's not going to HYP but she'll have options.

My younger daughter is in middle school. We like the middle school--it is kind and gentle and well run. We're going to move her before high school. My experience with NCS is that the administration is not receptive to any feedback
(probably because they get so much) and they are fully supportive about NCS' identity as a school with very difficult grading. The HOS said herself at a recent parent association meeting (to paraphrase) "our identity is to be a very rigorous schools with very hard grading".

Things won't change until they have a large percentage of a class fail to matriculate at competitive colleges. Maybe that will be this year, maybe next year, maybe never. Who knows. Admission results are always very cloudy at a school like this because there are plenty of hooked kids whose applications don't follow the "rules".... I.e. they have a sub 3.5 GPA but the parents have a connection somewhere so they call in a favor and the kid gets one admit WAY beyond their pay grade or those of their classmates (I.e. a top 50 admit with a 3.3 GPA). So for stats purposes NCS looks like a success for this student although ultimately it was a due to a favor called in by the parents in the 11th hour.

We had 2 girls graduate from NCS and currently in college, so recent experience. We decided to send our younger DC to a non-big3 school after going through the college process and dealing with applying to colleges with 3.4 GPAs from NCS. The grading is ridiculous. For example, college kid just called and said they got a score of 100 on an essay. Not one point off. Four years of english at NCS and only received an A the year they were taking it at STA. Every other year it was a B+ (usually an 88). So she is obviously well prepared for college, but the grading wears the girls down. They work so, so hard and my girls both said they never really felt smart until they went to college. I wanted something healthier for DC#3.

Where did your daughters get in with a 3.4? Not specific school but type or range?

Colleges in range for NCS 3.4 girls in recent years:
Penn State, Drexel, Temple, Tulane
Bucknell, Denison
St Andrews

Not Tulane anymore!

Yes--girls got in with GPAs like this as of last year. I bet it would be okay this year as well if girls had applied ED1 but i heard that none did.

Maybe so. Several applied EA (with higher gpa's) and were deferred and none of those were admitted.

DP. How do you know this? Is this 100 percent for certain?

I am certain. I do not know if any were waitlisted, but I do know that none who were deferred EA were admitted in RD. And I do know for certain that there were higher gpas than 3.4. And test scores higher than Tulane's reported avg for the RD admits.

Then how are Holton and other schools getting in several? Better GPA's? Better recs? What is it?

Two things:

1)grading in individual classes is easier. Holton a bit easier (there are parents with girls in both schools including a set of twins who will confirm this)and places like Stone Ridge and Holy Child--much easier. FAR more As are given.
2)Holton weighs GPAs for honors and AP equivalent courses. Stone Ridge does as well and actually offers a lot of AP courses. Girls at both of these schools can graduate with weighted GPAs above 4.0. I know NCS will say this doesn't matter (and that colleges don't look at weighted GPAs) but I think in this day of admissions officers having to look through so many applications it does.

The bigger issue of the two is the first. Colleges ultimately don't care that NCS girls had to slave away for an 88% in English each year. They're happy to take the girl who got the far easier A at Holy Child.

It obviously affects their reputation because the average entering class GPA is given so much consideration for a prestige factor

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Did Visi really have that many acceptances to GU last year??

Fascinating!!

That is not surprising. Lots and lots of legacies.

Sucks for those who are not, though.

Visi gets lots of girls in to GU because they have a bridge program with the school which is very popular - from the website:

Guest speakers from Georgetown often come to our campus for events and talks, and our girls are invited over there for workshops, conferences, research, and even semester-long classes through our Bridge Program, which allows qualified seniors to take college courses for a nominal fee.

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Anonymous wrote:Maret has less work and grade deflation than NCS or Sidwell (average GPA is around 3.7 vs 3.5 at NCS)

Is this confirmed as true? That is much higher as 3.7 is the cut off for many colleges. Friends who worked in admissions for colleges even admit this.

No, it’s not true. However, this is DCUM where people lie about everything to try to make a point. Maret’s mean (average) GPA for graduating seniors has ranged from 3.59 (2021) to 3.70 (2023). The average GPA for the c/o 2024 is a 3.64.

So, the answer is 3.64, which is historically more typical for Maret.

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1697637161/maret/cvhkhz1fyj0cei6s4emr/Maret-Profile-2023_2024.pdf

Ok, so the average GPA for the last Maret graduating class (2023) was a 3.7 and I posted it was a 3.7 and yet I'm lying to make a point?
OK.

No, the average and most recent Maret GPA (c/o 2024) is a 3.64. You made it sound like a 3.70 is typical. It is not.

3.64 is still high

It’s high-ish, but there’s a noticeable difference between a 3.64 and a 3.70. I’m also not sure that a 3.64 is much higher than Sidwell’s average. However, it’s hard to tell since Sidwell doesn’t rank or calculate GPAs until junior year. Any Sidwell parents, with facts (not opinions) care to chime in?

It's all much higher than NCS. They have told us that the average is 3.5.
Sigh.
This can't be good.

Have you talked to NCS? Complaining here will do absolutely nothing! I’m starting to think you’re not really an Ncs parent because you should not really care what the entire grade’s gpa is but rather at this point you should know what your own daughters GPA is no? What matters is your daughters gpa. If it is a 3.5 then yes I would be worried.

That's a good point. My daughter's GPA is not a 3.5 but I have a younger daughter who does not do as well in school and I guess I worry that the school would allow teachers to get an average GPA of 3.5.
Yes, the junior class has been told that the classes' average GPA is a 3.5.

What does school say when you express these concerns???? You realize posting here does nothing??????

My older daughter is a junior. What's done is done. We (and everyone we know) did not realize the reality of deflated grades and college admissions until this year.
We always just figured it would "work out" and that colleges understood (and cared) about the rigor. My junior has decent grades (well above the average for the class) so she'll be ok. She's not going to HYP but she'll have options.

My younger daughter is in middle school. We like the middle school--it is kind and gentle and well run. We're going to move her before high school. My experience with NCS is that the administration is not receptive to any feedback
(probably because they get so much) and they are fully supportive about NCS' identity as a school with very difficult grading. The HOS said herself at a recent parent association meeting (to paraphrase) "our identity is to be a very rigorous schools with very hard grading".

Things won't change until they have a large percentage of a class fail to matriculate at competitive colleges. Maybe that will be this year, maybe next year, maybe never. Who knows. Admission results are always very cloudy at a school like this because there are plenty of hooked kids whose applications don't follow the "rules".... I.e. they have a sub 3.5 GPA but the parents have a connection somewhere so they call in a favor and the kid gets one admit WAY beyond their pay grade or those of their classmates (I.e. a top 50 admit with a 3.3 GPA). So for stats purposes NCS looks like a success for this student although ultimately it was a due to a favor called in by the parents in the 11th hour.

We had 2 girls graduate from NCS and currently in college, so recent experience. We decided to send our younger DC to a non-big3 school after going through the college process and dealing with applying to colleges with 3.4 GPAs from NCS. The grading is ridiculous. For example, college kid just called and said they got a score of 100 on an essay. Not one point off. Four years of english at NCS and only received an A the year they were taking it at STA. Every other year it was a B+ (usually an 88). So she is obviously well prepared for college, but the grading wears the girls down. They work so, so hard and my girls both said they never really felt smart until they went to college. I wanted something healthier for DC#3.

Where did your daughters get in with a 3.4? Not specific school but type or range?

Colleges in range for NCS 3.4 girls in recent years:
Penn State, Drexel, Temple, Tulane
Bucknell, Denison
St Andrews

Not Tulane anymore!

Yes--girls got in with GPAs like this as of last year. I bet it would be okay this year as well if girls had applied ED1 but i heard that none did.

Maybe so. Several applied EA (with higher gpa's) and were deferred and none of those were admitted.

DP. How do you know this? Is this 100 percent for certain?

I am certain. I do not know if any were waitlisted, but I do know that none who were deferred EA were admitted in RD. And I do know for certain that there were higher gpas than 3.4. And test scores higher than Tulane's reported avg for the RD admits.

Then how are Holton and other schools getting in several? Better GPA's? Better recs? What is it?

Two things:

1)grading in individual classes is easier. Holton a bit easier (there are parents with girls in both schools including a set of twins who will confirm this)and places like Stone Ridge and Holy Child--much easier. FAR more As are given.
2)Holton weighs GPAs for honors and AP equivalent courses. Stone Ridge does as well and actually offers a lot of AP courses. Girls at both of these schools can graduate with weighted GPAs above 4.0. I know NCS will say this doesn't matter (and that colleges don't look at weighted GPAs) but I think in this day of admissions officers having to look through so many applications it does.

The bigger issue of the two is the first. Colleges ultimately don't care that NCS girls had to slave away for an 88% in English each year. They're happy to take the girl who got the far easier A at Holy Child.

It obviously affects their reputation because the average entering class GPA is given so much consideration for a prestige factor

This is exactly it. Also test scores.

This is why many kids on the fringe get sent abroad for their first semester because they don’t have to include their GPAs and scores (at least for a few schools we are familiar with).

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Looking at instagram does not give an accurate picture of admissions since most kids getting into the T25 schools are HOOKED. The kids that get left out are the UNHOOKED. The UNHOOKED basically need a 3.8 UW minimum to get in at T25. T10 schools probably require at least a 3.9 to take an UNHOOKED kit. Also, the colleges don't care what high school your kid went to.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at instagram does not give an accurate picture of admissions since most kids getting into the T25 schools are HOOKED. The kids that get left out are the UNHOOKED. The UNHOOKED basically need a 3.8 UW minimum to get in at T25. T10 schools probably require at least a 3.9 to take an UNHOOKED kit. Also, the colleges don't care what high school your kid went to.

I know for a fact this isn’t the case at my children’s “Big 3.” I know at least a half dozen T25 admits, who posted on Instagram already, who aren’t hooked (and they certainly don’t all have >3.8 GPA).

Btw, NCS sounds like a nightmare. What’s the upside, besides the rigorously hard classes that over prepare you for college?