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I am incorrect.
Regular decision did come out last week.

If there is only one NCS girl that is a marked change.
And we have no way of knowing if that girl is a lower GPA at NCS or a 3.9 using it as a safety.

This is concerning as they typically take 5-8 girls who are in the mid to lower part of the class but who will do very well at Tulane (or at any college).

I worry that there are fewer schools each year who are taking these low GPAs.


Chiming in...my DD is one who was deferred EA and rejected RD. I will tell you that her gpa is 3.5-3.7 and ACT higher than 33. (Trying not to be too specific to completely out her. But not sure that anyone cares at this point)
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Anonymous wrote:RD came out last week. The Tulane website says April but there is a reddit thread for "Tulane regular decision 2024" where all the kids reported their acceptances last week.

Tulane is fully out for 2024 (minus any waitlist movement)


DP. So did anyone get in besides the one from earlier in the year? I am confused? Are you saying only one got in for EA, ED, EDII, and regular?
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Anonymous wrote:Previous poster again.
I am incorrect.
Regular decision did come out last week.

If there is only one NCS girl that is a marked change.
And we have no way of knowing if that girl is a lower GPA at NCS or a 3.9 using it as a safety.

This is concerning as they typically take 5-8 girls who are in the mid to lower part of the class but who will do very well at Tulane (or at any college).

I worry that there are fewer schools each year who are taking these low GPAs.


Chiming in...my DD is one who was deferred EA and rejected RD. I will tell you that her gpa is 3.5-3.7 and ACT higher than 33. (Trying not to be too specific to completely out her. But not sure that anyone cares at this point)


I am so sorry.
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Anonymous wrote:RD came out last week. The Tulane website says April but there is a reddit thread for "Tulane regular decision 2024" where all the kids reported their acceptances last week.

Tulane is fully out for 2024 (minus any waitlist movement)


DP. So did anyone get in besides the one from earlier in the year? I am confused? Are you saying only one got in for EA, ED, EDII, and regular?


Yes. No girls got in ED 1 or 2.
Our understanding is that there was one admit total between EA and RD.

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Anonymous wrote:Maret has less work and grade deflation than NCS or Sidwell (average GPA is around 3.7 vs 3.5 at NCS)


Is this confirmed as true? That is much higher as 3.7 is the cut off for many colleges. Friends who worked in admissions for colleges even admit this.


No, it’s not true. However, this is DCUM where people lie about everything to try to make a point. Maret’s mean (average) GPA for graduating seniors has ranged from 3.59 (2021) to 3.70 (2023). The average GPA for the c/o 2024 is a 3.64.

So, the answer is 3.64, which is historically more typical for Maret.

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1697637161/maret/cvhkhz1fyj0cei6s4emr/Maret-Profile-2023_2024.pdf


Ok, so the average GPA for the last Maret graduating class (2023) was a 3.7 and I posted it was a 3.7 and yet I'm lying to make a point?
OK.



No, the average and most recent Maret GPA (c/o 2024) is a 3.64. You made it sound like a 3.70 is typical. It is not.


3.64 is still high


It’s high-ish, but there’s a noticeable difference between a 3.64 and a 3.70. I’m also not sure that a 3.64 is much higher than Sidwell’s average. However, it’s hard to tell since Sidwell doesn’t rank or calculate GPAs until junior year. Any Sidwell parents, with facts (not opinions) care to chime in?


It's all much higher than NCS. They have told us that the average is 3.5.
Sigh.
This can't be good.


Have you talked to NCS? Complaining here will do absolutely nothing! I’m starting to think you’re not really an Ncs parent because you should not really care what the entire grade’s gpa is but rather at this point you should know what your own daughters GPA is no? What matters is your daughters gpa. If it is a 3.5 then yes I would be worried.


That's a good point. My daughter's GPA is not a 3.5 but I have a younger daughter who does not do as well in school and I guess I worry that the school would allow teachers to get an average GPA of 3.5.
Yes, the junior class has been told that the classes' average GPA is a 3.5.

What does school say when you express these concerns???? You realize posting here does nothing??????


My older daughter is a junior. What's done is done. We (and everyone we know) did not realize the reality of deflated grades and college admissions until this year.
We always just figured it would "work out" and that colleges understood (and cared) about the rigor. My junior has decent grades (well above the average for the class) so she'll be ok. She's not going to HYP but she'll have options.

My younger daughter is in middle school. We like the middle school--it is kind and gentle and well run. We're going to move her before high school. My experience with NCS is that the administration is not receptive to any feedback
(probably because they get so much) and they are fully supportive about NCS' identity as a school with very difficult grading. The HOS said herself at a recent parent association meeting (to paraphrase) "our identity is to be a very rigorous schools with very hard grading".

Things won't change until they have a large percentage of a class fail to matriculate at competitive colleges. Maybe that will be this year, maybe next year, maybe never. Who knows. Admission results are always very cloudy at a school like this because there are plenty of hooked kids whose applications don't follow the "rules".... I.e. they have a sub 3.5 GPA but the parents have a connection somewhere so they call in a favor and the kid gets one admit WAY beyond their pay grade or those of their classmates (I.e. a top 50 admit with a 3.3 GPA). So for stats purposes NCS looks like a success for this student although ultimately it was a due to a favor called in by the parents in the 11th hour.


We had 2 girls graduate from NCS and currently in college, so recent experience. We decided to send our younger DC to a non-big3 school after going through the college process and dealing with applying to colleges with 3.4 GPAs from NCS. The grading is ridiculous. For example, college kid just called and said they got a score of 100 on an essay. Not one point off. Four years of english at NCS and only received an A the year they were taking it at STA. Every other year it was a B+ (usually an 88). So she is obviously well prepared for college, but the grading wears the girls down. They work so, so hard and my girls both said they never really felt smart until they went to college. I wanted something healthier for DC#3.


Where did your daughters get in with a 3.4? Not specific school but type or range?


Colleges in range for NCS 3.4 girls in recent years:
Penn State, Drexel, Temple, Tulane
Bucknell, Denison
St Andrews


Not Tulane anymore!


Yes--girls got in with GPAs like this as of last year. I bet it would be okay this year as well if girls had applied ED1 but i heard that none did.


Maybe so. Several applied EA (with higher gpa's) and were deferred and none of those were admitted.


DP. How do you know this? Is this 100 percent for certain?


I am certain. I do not know if any were waitlisted, but I do know that none who were deferred EA were admitted in RD. And I do know for certain that there were higher gpas than 3.4. And test scores higher than Tulane's reported avg for the RD admits.


Then how are Holton and other schools getting in several? Better GPA's? Better recs? What is it?


Two things:

1)grading in individual classes is easier. Holton a bit easier (there are parents with girls in both schools including a set of twins who will confirm this)and places like Stone Ridge and Holy Child--much easier. FAR more As are given.
2)Holton weighs GPAs for honors and AP equivalent courses. Stone Ridge does as well and actually offers a lot of AP courses. Girls at both of these schools can graduate with weighted GPAs above 4.0. I know NCS will say this doesn't matter (and that colleges don't look at weighted GPAs) but I think in this day of admissions officers having to look through so many applications it does.

The bigger issue of the two is the first. Colleges ultimately don't care that NCS girls had to slave away for an 88% in English each year. They're happy to take the girl who got the far easier A at Holy Child.
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Anonymous wrote:Maret has less work and grade deflation than NCS or Sidwell (average GPA is around 3.7 vs 3.5 at NCS)


Is this confirmed as true? That is much higher as 3.7 is the cut off for many colleges. Friends who worked in admissions for colleges even admit this.


No, it’s not true. However, this is DCUM where people lie about everything to try to make a point. Maret’s mean (average) GPA for graduating seniors has ranged from 3.59 (2021) to 3.70 (2023). The average GPA for the c/o 2024 is a 3.64.

So, the answer is 3.64, which is historically more typical for Maret.

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1697637161/maret/cvhkhz1fyj0cei6s4emr/Maret-Profile-2023_2024.pdf


Ok, so the average GPA for the last Maret graduating class (2023) was a 3.7 and I posted it was a 3.7 and yet I'm lying to make a point?
OK.



No, the average and most recent Maret GPA (c/o 2024) is a 3.64. You made it sound like a 3.70 is typical. It is not.


3.64 is still high


It’s high-ish, but there’s a noticeable difference between a 3.64 and a 3.70. I’m also not sure that a 3.64 is much higher than Sidwell’s average. However, it’s hard to tell since Sidwell doesn’t rank or calculate GPAs until junior year. Any Sidwell parents, with facts (not opinions) care to chime in?


It's all much higher than NCS. They have told us that the average is 3.5.
Sigh.
This can't be good.


Have you talked to NCS? Complaining here will do absolutely nothing! I’m starting to think you’re not really an Ncs parent because you should not really care what the entire grade’s gpa is but rather at this point you should know what your own daughters GPA is no? What matters is your daughters gpa. If it is a 3.5 then yes I would be worried.


That's a good point. My daughter's GPA is not a 3.5 but I have a younger daughter who does not do as well in school and I guess I worry that the school would allow teachers to get an average GPA of 3.5.
Yes, the junior class has been told that the classes' average GPA is a 3.5.

What does school say when you express these concerns???? You realize posting here does nothing??????


My older daughter is a junior. What's done is done. We (and everyone we know) did not realize the reality of deflated grades and college admissions until this year.
We always just figured it would "work out" and that colleges understood (and cared) about the rigor. My junior has decent grades (well above the average for the class) so she'll be ok. She's not going to HYP but she'll have options.

My younger daughter is in middle school. We like the middle school--it is kind and gentle and well run. We're going to move her before high school. My experience with NCS is that the administration is not receptive to any feedback
(probably because they get so much) and they are fully supportive about NCS' identity as a school with very difficult grading. The HOS said herself at a recent parent association meeting (to paraphrase) "our identity is to be a very rigorous schools with very hard grading".

Things won't change until they have a large percentage of a class fail to matriculate at competitive colleges. Maybe that will be this year, maybe next year, maybe never. Who knows. Admission results are always very cloudy at a school like this because there are plenty of hooked kids whose applications don't follow the "rules".... I.e. they have a sub 3.5 GPA but the parents have a connection somewhere so they call in a favor and the kid gets one admit WAY beyond their pay grade or those of their classmates (I.e. a top 50 admit with a 3.3 GPA). So for stats purposes NCS looks like a success for this student although ultimately it was a due to a favor called in by the parents in the 11th hour.


We had 2 girls graduate from NCS and currently in college, so recent experience. We decided to send our younger DC to a non-big3 school after going through the college process and dealing with applying to colleges with 3.4 GPAs from NCS. The grading is ridiculous. For example, college kid just called and said they got a score of 100 on an essay. Not one point off. Four years of english at NCS and only received an A the year they were taking it at STA. Every other year it was a B+ (usually an 88). So she is obviously well prepared for college, but the grading wears the girls down. They work so, so hard and my girls both said they never really felt smart until they went to college. I wanted something healthier for DC#3.


Where did your daughters get in with a 3.4? Not specific school but type or range?


Colleges in range for NCS 3.4 girls in recent years:
Penn State, Drexel, Temple, Tulane
Bucknell, Denison
St Andrews


Not Tulane anymore!


Yes--girls got in with GPAs like this as of last year. I bet it would be okay this year as well if girls had applied ED1 but i heard that none did.


Maybe so. Several applied EA (with higher gpa's) and were deferred and none of those were admitted.


DP. How do you know this? Is this 100 percent for certain?


I am certain. I do not know if any were waitlisted, but I do know that none who were deferred EA were admitted in RD. And I do know for certain that there were higher gpas than 3.4. And test scores higher than Tulane's reported avg for the RD admits.


Then how are Holton and other schools getting in several? Better GPA's? Better recs? What is it?


Two things:

1)grading in individual classes is easier. Holton a bit easier (there are parents with girls in both schools including a set of twins who will confirm this)and places like Stone Ridge and Holy Child--much easier. FAR more As are given.
2)Holton weighs GPAs for honors and AP equivalent courses. Stone Ridge does as well and actually offers a lot of AP courses. Girls at both of these schools can graduate with weighted GPAs above 4.0. I know NCS will say this doesn't matter (and that colleges don't look at weighted GPAs) but I think in this day of admissions officers having to look through so many applications it does.

The bigger issue of the two is the first. Colleges ultimately don't care that NCS girls had to slave away for an 88% in English each year. They're happy to take the girl who got the far easier A at Holy Child.


To PP whose daughter was rejected from Tulane. Without getting specifics - does she have other regular decisions that could come in or at least have any admittances early action from earlier in the year or is she completely without options at this point?
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Anonymous wrote:Maret has less work and grade deflation than NCS or Sidwell (average GPA is around 3.7 vs 3.5 at NCS)


Is this confirmed as true? That is much higher as 3.7 is the cut off for many colleges. Friends who worked in admissions for colleges even admit this.


No, it’s not true. However, this is DCUM where people lie about everything to try to make a point. Maret’s mean (average) GPA for graduating seniors has ranged from 3.59 (2021) to 3.70 (2023). The average GPA for the c/o 2024 is a 3.64.

So, the answer is 3.64, which is historically more typical for Maret.

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1697637161/maret/cvhkhz1fyj0cei6s4emr/Maret-Profile-2023_2024.pdf


Ok, so the average GPA for the last Maret graduating class (2023) was a 3.7 and I posted it was a 3.7 and yet I'm lying to make a point?
OK.



No, the average and most recent Maret GPA (c/o 2024) is a 3.64. You made it sound like a 3.70 is typical. It is not.


3.64 is still high


It’s high-ish, but there’s a noticeable difference between a 3.64 and a 3.70. I’m also not sure that a 3.64 is much higher than Sidwell’s average. However, it’s hard to tell since Sidwell doesn’t rank or calculate GPAs until junior year. Any Sidwell parents, with facts (not opinions) care to chime in?


It's all much higher than NCS. They have told us that the average is 3.5.
Sigh.
This can't be good.


Have you talked to NCS? Complaining here will do absolutely nothing! I’m starting to think you’re not really an Ncs parent because you should not really care what the entire grade’s gpa is but rather at this point you should know what your own daughters GPA is no? What matters is your daughters gpa. If it is a 3.5 then yes I would be worried.


That's a good point. My daughter's GPA is not a 3.5 but I have a younger daughter who does not do as well in school and I guess I worry that the school would allow teachers to get an average GPA of 3.5.
Yes, the junior class has been told that the classes' average GPA is a 3.5.

What does school say when you express these concerns???? You realize posting here does nothing??????


My older daughter is a junior. What's done is done. We (and everyone we know) did not realize the reality of deflated grades and college admissions until this year.
We always just figured it would "work out" and that colleges understood (and cared) about the rigor. My junior has decent grades (well above the average for the class) so she'll be ok. She's not going to HYP but she'll have options.

My younger daughter is in middle school. We like the middle school--it is kind and gentle and well run. We're going to move her before high school. My experience with NCS is that the administration is not receptive to any feedback
(probably because they get so much) and they are fully supportive about NCS' identity as a school with very difficult grading. The HOS said herself at a recent parent association meeting (to paraphrase) "our identity is to be a very rigorous schools with very hard grading".

Things won't change until they have a large percentage of a class fail to matriculate at competitive colleges. Maybe that will be this year, maybe next year, maybe never. Who knows. Admission results are always very cloudy at a school like this because there are plenty of hooked kids whose applications don't follow the "rules".... I.e. they have a sub 3.5 GPA but the parents have a connection somewhere so they call in a favor and the kid gets one admit WAY beyond their pay grade or those of their classmates (I.e. a top 50 admit with a 3.3 GPA). So for stats purposes NCS looks like a success for this student although ultimately it was a due to a favor called in by the parents in the 11th hour.


We had 2 girls graduate from NCS and currently in college, so recent experience. We decided to send our younger DC to a non-big3 school after going through the college process and dealing with applying to colleges with 3.4 GPAs from NCS. The grading is ridiculous. For example, college kid just called and said they got a score of 100 on an essay. Not one point off. Four years of english at NCS and only received an A the year they were taking it at STA. Every other year it was a B+ (usually an 88). So she is obviously well prepared for college, but the grading wears the girls down. They work so, so hard and my girls both said they never really felt smart until they went to college. I wanted something healthier for DC#3.


Where did your daughters get in with a 3.4? Not specific school but type or range?


Colleges in range for NCS 3.4 girls in recent years:
Penn State, Drexel, Temple, Tulane
Bucknell, Denison
St Andrews


Not Tulane anymore!


Yes--girls got in with GPAs like this as of last year. I bet it would be okay this year as well if girls had applied ED1 but i heard that none did.


Maybe so. Several applied EA (with higher gpa's) and were deferred and none of those were admitted.


DP. How do you know this? Is this 100 percent for certain?


I am certain. I do not know if any were waitlisted, but I do know that none who were deferred EA were admitted in RD. And I do know for certain that there were higher gpas than 3.4. And test scores higher than Tulane's reported avg for the RD admits.


Then how are Holton and other schools getting in several? Better GPA's? Better recs? What is it?


Two things:

1)grading in individual classes is easier. Holton a bit easier (there are parents with girls in both schools including a set of twins who will confirm this)and places like Stone Ridge and Holy Child--much easier. FAR more As are given.
2)Holton weighs GPAs for honors and AP equivalent courses. Stone Ridge does as well and actually offers a lot of AP courses. Girls at both of these schools can graduate with weighted GPAs above 4.0. I know NCS will say this doesn't matter (and that colleges don't look at weighted GPAs) but I think in this day of admissions officers having to look through so many applications it does.

The bigger issue of the two is the first. Colleges ultimately don't care that NCS girls had to slave away for an 88% in English each year. They're happy to take the girl who got the far easier A at Holy Child.


Have you discussed this with the HOS? Yes or no? Otherwise posting here is useless.
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Anonymous wrote:Maret has less work and grade deflation than NCS or Sidwell (average GPA is around 3.7 vs 3.5 at NCS)


Is this confirmed as true? That is much higher as 3.7 is the cut off for many colleges. Friends who worked in admissions for colleges even admit this.


No, it’s not true. However, this is DCUM where people lie about everything to try to make a point. Maret’s mean (average) GPA for graduating seniors has ranged from 3.59 (2021) to 3.70 (2023). The average GPA for the c/o 2024 is a 3.64.

So, the answer is 3.64, which is historically more typical for Maret.

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1697637161/maret/cvhkhz1fyj0cei6s4emr/Maret-Profile-2023_2024.pdf


Ok, so the average GPA for the last Maret graduating class (2023) was a 3.7 and I posted it was a 3.7 and yet I'm lying to make a point?
OK.



No, the average and most recent Maret GPA (c/o 2024) is a 3.64. You made it sound like a 3.70 is typical. It is not.


3.64 is still high


It’s high-ish, but there’s a noticeable difference between a 3.64 and a 3.70. I’m also not sure that a 3.64 is much higher than Sidwell’s average. However, it’s hard to tell since Sidwell doesn’t rank or calculate GPAs until junior year. Any Sidwell parents, with facts (not opinions) care to chime in?


It's all much higher than NCS. They have told us that the average is 3.5.
Sigh.
This can't be good.


Have you talked to NCS? Complaining here will do absolutely nothing! I’m starting to think you’re not really an Ncs parent because you should not really care what the entire grade’s gpa is but rather at this point you should know what your own daughters GPA is no? What matters is your daughters gpa. If it is a 3.5 then yes I would be worried.


That's a good point. My daughter's GPA is not a 3.5 but I have a younger daughter who does not do as well in school and I guess I worry that the school would allow teachers to get an average GPA of 3.5.
Yes, the junior class has been told that the classes' average GPA is a 3.5.

What does school say when you express these concerns???? You realize posting here does nothing??????


My older daughter is a junior. What's done is done. We (and everyone we know) did not realize the reality of deflated grades and college admissions until this year.
We always just figured it would "work out" and that colleges understood (and cared) about the rigor. My junior has decent grades (well above the average for the class) so she'll be ok. She's not going to HYP but she'll have options.

My younger daughter is in middle school. We like the middle school--it is kind and gentle and well run. We're going to move her before high school. My experience with NCS is that the administration is not receptive to any feedback
(probably because they get so much) and they are fully supportive about NCS' identity as a school with very difficult grading. The HOS said herself at a recent parent association meeting (to paraphrase) "our identity is to be a very rigorous schools with very hard grading".

Things won't change until they have a large percentage of a class fail to matriculate at competitive colleges. Maybe that will be this year, maybe next year, maybe never. Who knows. Admission results are always very cloudy at a school like this because there are plenty of hooked kids whose applications don't follow the "rules".... I.e. they have a sub 3.5 GPA but the parents have a connection somewhere so they call in a favor and the kid gets one admit WAY beyond their pay grade or those of their classmates (I.e. a top 50 admit with a 3.3 GPA). So for stats purposes NCS looks like a success for this student although ultimately it was a due to a favor called in by the parents in the 11th hour.


We had 2 girls graduate from NCS and currently in college, so recent experience. We decided to send our younger DC to a non-big3 school after going through the college process and dealing with applying to colleges with 3.4 GPAs from NCS. The grading is ridiculous. For example, college kid just called and said they got a score of 100 on an essay. Not one point off. Four years of english at NCS and only received an A the year they were taking it at STA. Every other year it was a B+ (usually an 88). So she is obviously well prepared for college, but the grading wears the girls down. They work so, so hard and my girls both said they never really felt smart until they went to college. I wanted something healthier for DC#3.


Where did your daughters get in with a 3.4? Not specific school but type or range?


Colleges in range for NCS 3.4 girls in recent years:
Penn State, Drexel, Temple, Tulane
Bucknell, Denison
St Andrews


Not Tulane anymore!


Yes--girls got in with GPAs like this as of last year. I bet it would be okay this year as well if girls had applied ED1 but i heard that none did.


Maybe so. Several applied EA (with higher gpa's) and were deferred and none of those were admitted.


DP. How do you know this? Is this 100 percent for certain?


I am certain. I do not know if any were waitlisted, but I do know that none who were deferred EA were admitted in RD. And I do know for certain that there were higher gpas than 3.4. And test scores higher than Tulane's reported avg for the RD admits.


Then how are Holton and other schools getting in several? Better GPA's? Better recs? What is it?


Two things:

1)grading in individual classes is easier. Holton a bit easier (there are parents with girls in both schools including a set of twins who will confirm this)and places like Stone Ridge and Holy Child--much easier. FAR more As are given.
2)Holton weighs GPAs for honors and AP equivalent courses. Stone Ridge does as well and actually offers a lot of AP courses. Girls at both of these schools can graduate with weighted GPAs above 4.0. I know NCS will say this doesn't matter (and that colleges don't look at weighted GPAs) but I think in this day of admissions officers having to look through so many applications it does.

The bigger issue of the two is the first. Colleges ultimately don't care that NCS girls had to slave away for an 88% in English each year. They're happy to take the girl who got the far easier A at Holy Child.


Okay so you have laid out a very dismal picture for 2025. We get it. Unless you have any concrete ideas or ways that NCS can help their class of 2025 I can't read these posts anymore because they are just so grim even though they seem to be true based on the pp post about only one girl getting into Tulane. Sigh.
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Anonymous wrote:Maret has less work and grade deflation than NCS or Sidwell (average GPA is around 3.7 vs 3.5 at NCS)


Is this confirmed as true? That is much higher as 3.7 is the cut off for many colleges. Friends who worked in admissions for colleges even admit this.


No, it’s not true. However, this is DCUM where people lie about everything to try to make a point. Maret’s mean (average) GPA for graduating seniors has ranged from 3.59 (2021) to 3.70 (2023). The average GPA for the c/o 2024 is a 3.64.

So, the answer is 3.64, which is historically more typical for Maret.

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1697637161/maret/cvhkhz1fyj0cei6s4emr/Maret-Profile-2023_2024.pdf


Ok, so the average GPA for the last Maret graduating class (2023) was a 3.7 and I posted it was a 3.7 and yet I'm lying to make a point?
OK.



No, the average and most recent Maret GPA (c/o 2024) is a 3.64. You made it sound like a 3.70 is typical. It is not.


3.64 is still high


It’s high-ish, but there’s a noticeable difference between a 3.64 and a 3.70. I’m also not sure that a 3.64 is much higher than Sidwell’s average. However, it’s hard to tell since Sidwell doesn’t rank or calculate GPAs until junior year. Any Sidwell parents, with facts (not opinions) care to chime in?


It's all much higher than NCS. They have told us that the average is 3.5.
Sigh.
This can't be good.


Have you talked to NCS? Complaining here will do absolutely nothing! I’m starting to think you’re not really an Ncs parent because you should not really care what the entire grade’s gpa is but rather at this point you should know what your own daughters GPA is no? What matters is your daughters gpa. If it is a 3.5 then yes I would be worried.


That's a good point. My daughter's GPA is not a 3.5 but I have a younger daughter who does not do as well in school and I guess I worry that the school would allow teachers to get an average GPA of 3.5.
Yes, the junior class has been told that the classes' average GPA is a 3.5.

What does school say when you express these concerns???? You realize posting here does nothing??????


My older daughter is a junior. What's done is done. We (and everyone we know) did not realize the reality of deflated grades and college admissions until this year.
We always just figured it would "work out" and that colleges understood (and cared) about the rigor. My junior has decent grades (well above the average for the class) so she'll be ok. She's not going to HYP but she'll have options.

My younger daughter is in middle school. We like the middle school--it is kind and gentle and well run. We're going to move her before high school. My experience with NCS is that the administration is not receptive to any feedback
(probably because they get so much) and they are fully supportive about NCS' identity as a school with very difficult grading. The HOS said herself at a recent parent association meeting (to paraphrase) "our identity is to be a very rigorous schools with very hard grading".

Things won't change until they have a large percentage of a class fail to matriculate at competitive colleges. Maybe that will be this year, maybe next year, maybe never. Who knows. Admission results are always very cloudy at a school like this because there are plenty of hooked kids whose applications don't follow the "rules".... I.e. they have a sub 3.5 GPA but the parents have a connection somewhere so they call in a favor and the kid gets one admit WAY beyond their pay grade or those of their classmates (I.e. a top 50 admit with a 3.3 GPA). So for stats purposes NCS looks like a success for this student although ultimately it was a due to a favor called in by the parents in the 11th hour.


We had 2 girls graduate from NCS and currently in college, so recent experience. We decided to send our younger DC to a non-big3 school after going through the college process and dealing with applying to colleges with 3.4 GPAs from NCS. The grading is ridiculous. For example, college kid just called and said they got a score of 100 on an essay. Not one point off. Four years of english at NCS and only received an A the year they were taking it at STA. Every other year it was a B+ (usually an 88). So she is obviously well prepared for college, but the grading wears the girls down. They work so, so hard and my girls both said they never really felt smart until they went to college. I wanted something healthier for DC#3.


Where did your daughters get in with a 3.4? Not specific school but type or range?


Colleges in range for NCS 3.4 girls in recent years:
Penn State, Drexel, Temple, Tulane
Bucknell, Denison
St Andrews


Not Tulane anymore!


Yes--girls got in with GPAs like this as of last year. I bet it would be okay this year as well if girls had applied ED1 but i heard that none did.


Maybe so. Several applied EA (with higher gpa's) and were deferred and none of those were admitted.


DP. How do you know this? Is this 100 percent for certain?


I am certain. I do not know if any were waitlisted, but I do know that none who were deferred EA were admitted in RD. And I do know for certain that there were higher gpas than 3.4. And test scores higher than Tulane's reported avg for the RD admits.


Then how are Holton and other schools getting in several? Better GPA's? Better recs? What is it?


Two things:

1)grading in individual classes is easier. Holton a bit easier (there are parents with girls in both schools including a set of twins who will confirm this)and places like Stone Ridge and Holy Child--much easier. FAR more As are given.
2)Holton weighs GPAs for honors and AP equivalent courses. Stone Ridge does as well and actually offers a lot of AP courses. Girls at both of these schools can graduate with weighted GPAs above 4.0. I know NCS will say this doesn't matter (and that colleges don't look at weighted GPAs) but I think in this day of admissions officers having to look through so many applications it does.

The bigger issue of the two is the first. Colleges ultimately don't care that NCS girls had to slave away for an 88% in English each year. They're happy to take the girl who got the far easier A at Holy Child.


Okay so you have laid out a very dismal picture for 2025. We get it. Unless you have any concrete ideas or ways that NCS can help their class of 2025 I can't read these posts anymore because they are just so grim even though they seem to be true based on the pp post about only one girl getting into Tulane. Sigh.


Tulane is very upfront about the emphasis they place on demonstrated interest and ED or EDII is one way to show that. I don't know if NCS had many or any who applied ED or EDII.

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Anonymous wrote:Maret has less work and grade deflation than NCS or Sidwell (average GPA is around 3.7 vs 3.5 at NCS)


Is this confirmed as true? That is much higher as 3.7 is the cut off for many colleges. Friends who worked in admissions for colleges even admit this.


No, it’s not true. However, this is DCUM where people lie about everything to try to make a point. Maret’s mean (average) GPA for graduating seniors has ranged from 3.59 (2021) to 3.70 (2023). The average GPA for the c/o 2024 is a 3.64.

So, the answer is 3.64, which is historically more typical for Maret.

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1697637161/maret/cvhkhz1fyj0cei6s4emr/Maret-Profile-2023_2024.pdf


Ok, so the average GPA for the last Maret graduating class (2023) was a 3.7 and I posted it was a 3.7 and yet I'm lying to make a point?
OK.



No, the average and most recent Maret GPA (c/o 2024) is a 3.64. You made it sound like a 3.70 is typical. It is not.


3.64 is still high


It’s high-ish, but there’s a noticeable difference between a 3.64 and a 3.70. I’m also not sure that a 3.64 is much higher than Sidwell’s average. However, it’s hard to tell since Sidwell doesn’t rank or calculate GPAs until junior year. Any Sidwell parents, with facts (not opinions) care to chime in?


It's all much higher than NCS. They have told us that the average is 3.5.
Sigh.
This can't be good.


Have you talked to NCS? Complaining here will do absolutely nothing! I’m starting to think you’re not really an Ncs parent because you should not really care what the entire grade’s gpa is but rather at this point you should know what your own daughters GPA is no? What matters is your daughters gpa. If it is a 3.5 then yes I would be worried.


That's a good point. My daughter's GPA is not a 3.5 but I have a younger daughter who does not do as well in school and I guess I worry that the school would allow teachers to get an average GPA of 3.5.
Yes, the junior class has been told that the classes' average GPA is a 3.5.

What does school say when you express these concerns???? You realize posting here does nothing??????


My older daughter is a junior. What's done is done. We (and everyone we know) did not realize the reality of deflated grades and college admissions until this year.
We always just figured it would "work out" and that colleges understood (and cared) about the rigor. My junior has decent grades (well above the average for the class) so she'll be ok. She's not going to HYP but she'll have options.

My younger daughter is in middle school. We like the middle school--it is kind and gentle and well run. We're going to move her before high school. My experience with NCS is that the administration is not receptive to any feedback
(probably because they get so much) and they are fully supportive about NCS' identity as a school with very difficult grading. The HOS said herself at a recent parent association meeting (to paraphrase) "our identity is to be a very rigorous schools with very hard grading".

Things won't change until they have a large percentage of a class fail to matriculate at competitive colleges. Maybe that will be this year, maybe next year, maybe never. Who knows. Admission results are always very cloudy at a school like this because there are plenty of hooked kids whose applications don't follow the "rules".... I.e. they have a sub 3.5 GPA but the parents have a connection somewhere so they call in a favor and the kid gets one admit WAY beyond their pay grade or those of their classmates (I.e. a top 50 admit with a 3.3 GPA). So for stats purposes NCS looks like a success for this student although ultimately it was a due to a favor called in by the parents in the 11th hour.


We had 2 girls graduate from NCS and currently in college, so recent experience. We decided to send our younger DC to a non-big3 school after going through the college process and dealing with applying to colleges with 3.4 GPAs from NCS. The grading is ridiculous. For example, college kid just called and said they got a score of 100 on an essay. Not one point off. Four years of english at NCS and only received an A the year they were taking it at STA. Every other year it was a B+ (usually an 88). So she is obviously well prepared for college, but the grading wears the girls down. They work so, so hard and my girls both said they never really felt smart until they went to college. I wanted something healthier for DC#3.


Where did your daughters get in with a 3.4? Not specific school but type or range?


Colleges in range for NCS 3.4 girls in recent years:
Penn State, Drexel, Temple, Tulane
Bucknell, Denison
St Andrews


Not Tulane anymore!


Yes--girls got in with GPAs like this as of last year. I bet it would be okay this year as well if girls had applied ED1 but i heard that none did.


Maybe so. Several applied EA (with higher gpa's) and were deferred and none of those were admitted.


DP. How do you know this? Is this 100 percent for certain?


I am certain. I do not know if any were waitlisted, but I do know that none who were deferred EA were admitted in RD. And I do know for certain that there were higher gpas than 3.4. And test scores higher than Tulane's reported avg for the RD admits.


Then how are Holton and other schools getting in several? Better GPA's? Better recs? What is it?


Two things:

1)grading in individual classes is easier. Holton a bit easier (there are parents with girls in both schools including a set of twins who will confirm this)and places like Stone Ridge and Holy Child--much easier. FAR more As are given.
2)Holton weighs GPAs for honors and AP equivalent courses. Stone Ridge does as well and actually offers a lot of AP courses. Girls at both of these schools can graduate with weighted GPAs above 4.0. I know NCS will say this doesn't matter (and that colleges don't look at weighted GPAs) but I think in this day of admissions officers having to look through so many applications it does.

The bigger issue of the two is the first. Colleges ultimately don't care that NCS girls had to slave away for an 88% in English each year. They're happy to take the girl who got the far easier A at Holy Child.


Okay so you have laid out a very dismal picture for 2025. We get it. Unless you have any concrete ideas or ways that NCS can help their class of 2025 I can't read these posts anymore because they are just so grim even though they seem to be true based on the pp post about only one girl getting into Tulane. Sigh.


Tulane is very upfront about the emphasis they place on demonstrated interest and ED or EDII is one way to show that. I don't know if NCS had many or any who applied ED or EDII.



None this year that I know of.
This is super important for the class of 2025 to factor in.
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Anonymous wrote:Maret has less work and grade deflation than NCS or Sidwell (average GPA is around 3.7 vs 3.5 at NCS)


Is this confirmed as true? That is much higher as 3.7 is the cut off for many colleges. Friends who worked in admissions for colleges even admit this.


No, it’s not true. However, this is DCUM where people lie about everything to try to make a point. Maret’s mean (average) GPA for graduating seniors has ranged from 3.59 (2021) to 3.70 (2023). The average GPA for the c/o 2024 is a 3.64.

So, the answer is 3.64, which is historically more typical for Maret.

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1697637161/maret/cvhkhz1fyj0cei6s4emr/Maret-Profile-2023_2024.pdf


Ok, so the average GPA for the last Maret graduating class (2023) was a 3.7 and I posted it was a 3.7 and yet I'm lying to make a point?
OK.



No, the average and most recent Maret GPA (c/o 2024) is a 3.64. You made it sound like a 3.70 is typical. It is not.


3.64 is still high


It’s high-ish, but there’s a noticeable difference between a 3.64 and a 3.70. I’m also not sure that a 3.64 is much higher than Sidwell’s average. However, it’s hard to tell since Sidwell doesn’t rank or calculate GPAs until junior year. Any Sidwell parents, with facts (not opinions) care to chime in?


It's all much higher than NCS. They have told us that the average is 3.5.
Sigh.
This can't be good.


Have you talked to NCS? Complaining here will do absolutely nothing! I’m starting to think you’re not really an Ncs parent because you should not really care what the entire grade’s gpa is but rather at this point you should know what your own daughters GPA is no? What matters is your daughters gpa. If it is a 3.5 then yes I would be worried.


That's a good point. My daughter's GPA is not a 3.5 but I have a younger daughter who does not do as well in school and I guess I worry that the school would allow teachers to get an average GPA of 3.5.
Yes, the junior class has been told that the classes' average GPA is a 3.5.

What does school say when you express these concerns???? You realize posting here does nothing??????


My older daughter is a junior. What's done is done. We (and everyone we know) did not realize the reality of deflated grades and college admissions until this year.
We always just figured it would "work out" and that colleges understood (and cared) about the rigor. My junior has decent grades (well above the average for the class) so she'll be ok. She's not going to HYP but she'll have options.

My younger daughter is in middle school. We like the middle school--it is kind and gentle and well run. We're going to move her before high school. My experience with NCS is that the administration is not receptive to any feedback
(probably because they get so much) and they are fully supportive about NCS' identity as a school with very difficult grading. The HOS said herself at a recent parent association meeting (to paraphrase) "our identity is to be a very rigorous schools with very hard grading".

Things won't change until they have a large percentage of a class fail to matriculate at competitive colleges. Maybe that will be this year, maybe next year, maybe never. Who knows. Admission results are always very cloudy at a school like this because there are plenty of hooked kids whose applications don't follow the "rules".... I.e. they have a sub 3.5 GPA but the parents have a connection somewhere so they call in a favor and the kid gets one admit WAY beyond their pay grade or those of their classmates (I.e. a top 50 admit with a 3.3 GPA). So for stats purposes NCS looks like a success for this student although ultimately it was a due to a favor called in by the parents in the 11th hour.


We had 2 girls graduate from NCS and currently in college, so recent experience. We decided to send our younger DC to a non-big3 school after going through the college process and dealing with applying to colleges with 3.4 GPAs from NCS. The grading is ridiculous. For example, college kid just called and said they got a score of 100 on an essay. Not one point off. Four years of english at NCS and only received an A the year they were taking it at STA. Every other year it was a B+ (usually an 88). So she is obviously well prepared for college, but the grading wears the girls down. They work so, so hard and my girls both said they never really felt smart until they went to college. I wanted something healthier for DC#3.


Where did your daughters get in with a 3.4? Not specific school but type or range?


Colleges in range for NCS 3.4 girls in recent years:
Penn State, Drexel, Temple, Tulane
Bucknell, Denison
St Andrews


what about SLACs? Kenyon, Davidson, Carleton, Wesleyan?
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Anonymous wrote:Maret has less work and grade deflation than NCS or Sidwell (average GPA is around 3.7 vs 3.5 at NCS)


Is this confirmed as true? That is much higher as 3.7 is the cut off for many colleges. Friends who worked in admissions for colleges even admit this.


No, it’s not true. However, this is DCUM where people lie about everything to try to make a point. Maret’s mean (average) GPA for graduating seniors has ranged from 3.59 (2021) to 3.70 (2023). The average GPA for the c/o 2024 is a 3.64.

So, the answer is 3.64, which is historically more typical for Maret.

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1697637161/maret/cvhkhz1fyj0cei6s4emr/Maret-Profile-2023_2024.pdf


Ok, so the average GPA for the last Maret graduating class (2023) was a 3.7 and I posted it was a 3.7 and yet I'm lying to make a point?
OK.



No, the average and most recent Maret GPA (c/o 2024) is a 3.64. You made it sound like a 3.70 is typical. It is not.


3.64 is still high


It’s high-ish, but there’s a noticeable difference between a 3.64 and a 3.70. I’m also not sure that a 3.64 is much higher than Sidwell’s average. However, it’s hard to tell since Sidwell doesn’t rank or calculate GPAs until junior year. Any Sidwell parents, with facts (not opinions) care to chime in?


It's all much higher than NCS. They have told us that the average is 3.5.
Sigh.
This can't be good.


Have you talked to NCS? Complaining here will do absolutely nothing! I’m starting to think you’re not really an Ncs parent because you should not really care what the entire grade’s gpa is but rather at this point you should know what your own daughters GPA is no? What matters is your daughters gpa. If it is a 3.5 then yes I would be worried.


That's a good point. My daughter's GPA is not a 3.5 but I have a younger daughter who does not do as well in school and I guess I worry that the school would allow teachers to get an average GPA of 3.5.
Yes, the junior class has been told that the classes' average GPA is a 3.5.

What does school say when you express these concerns???? You realize posting here does nothing??????


My older daughter is a junior. What's done is done. We (and everyone we know) did not realize the reality of deflated grades and college admissions until this year.
We always just figured it would "work out" and that colleges understood (and cared) about the rigor. My junior has decent grades (well above the average for the class) so she'll be ok. She's not going to HYP but she'll have options.

My younger daughter is in middle school. We like the middle school--it is kind and gentle and well run. We're going to move her before high school. My experience with NCS is that the administration is not receptive to any feedback
(probably because they get so much) and they are fully supportive about NCS' identity as a school with very difficult grading. The HOS said herself at a recent parent association meeting (to paraphrase) "our identity is to be a very rigorous schools with very hard grading".

Things won't change until they have a large percentage of a class fail to matriculate at competitive colleges. Maybe that will be this year, maybe next year, maybe never. Who knows. Admission results are always very cloudy at a school like this because there are plenty of hooked kids whose applications don't follow the "rules".... I.e. they have a sub 3.5 GPA but the parents have a connection somewhere so they call in a favor and the kid gets one admit WAY beyond their pay grade or those of their classmates (I.e. a top 50 admit with a 3.3 GPA). So for stats purposes NCS looks like a success for this student although ultimately it was a due to a favor called in by the parents in the 11th hour.


We had 2 girls graduate from NCS and currently in college, so recent experience. We decided to send our younger DC to a non-big3 school after going through the college process and dealing with applying to colleges with 3.4 GPAs from NCS. The grading is ridiculous. For example, college kid just called and said they got a score of 100 on an essay. Not one point off. Four years of english at NCS and only received an A the year they were taking it at STA. Every other year it was a B+ (usually an 88). So she is obviously well prepared for college, but the grading wears the girls down. They work so, so hard and my girls both said they never really felt smart until they went to college. I wanted something healthier for DC#3.


Where did your daughters get in with a 3.4? Not specific school but type or range?


Colleges in range for NCS 3.4 girls in recent years:
Penn State, Drexel, Temple, Tulane
Bucknell, Denison
St Andrews


what about SLACs? Kenyon, Davidson, Carleton, Wesleyan?


If you are an NCS parent you would have access to this information for last year's class??? Please look.
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Wow. Did Visi really have that many acceptances to GU last year??

Fascinating!!

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Anonymous wrote:Maret has less work and grade deflation than NCS or Sidwell (average GPA is around 3.7 vs 3.5 at NCS)


Is this confirmed as true? That is much higher as 3.7 is the cut off for many colleges. Friends who worked in admissions for colleges even admit this.


No, it’s not true. However, this is DCUM where people lie about everything to try to make a point. Maret’s mean (average) GPA for graduating seniors has ranged from 3.59 (2021) to 3.70 (2023). The average GPA for the c/o 2024 is a 3.64.

So, the answer is 3.64, which is historically more typical for Maret.

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1697637161/maret/cvhkhz1fyj0cei6s4emr/Maret-Profile-2023_2024.pdf


Ok, so the average GPA for the last Maret graduating class (2023) was a 3.7 and I posted it was a 3.7 and yet I'm lying to make a point?
OK.



No, the average and most recent Maret GPA (c/o 2024) is a 3.64. You made it sound like a 3.70 is typical. It is not.


3.64 is still high


It’s high-ish, but there’s a noticeable difference between a 3.64 and a 3.70. I’m also not sure that a 3.64 is much higher than Sidwell’s average. However, it’s hard to tell since Sidwell doesn’t rank or calculate GPAs until junior year. Any Sidwell parents, with facts (not opinions) care to chime in?


It's all much higher than NCS. They have told us that the average is 3.5.
Sigh.
This can't be good.


Have you talked to NCS? Complaining here will do absolutely nothing! I’m starting to think you’re not really an Ncs parent because you should not really care what the entire grade’s gpa is but rather at this point you should know what your own daughters GPA is no? What matters is your daughters gpa. If it is a 3.5 then yes I would be worried.


That's a good point. My daughter's GPA is not a 3.5 but I have a younger daughter who does not do as well in school and I guess I worry that the school would allow teachers to get an average GPA of 3.5.
Yes, the junior class has been told that the classes' average GPA is a 3.5.

What does school say when you express these concerns???? You realize posting here does nothing??????


My older daughter is a junior. What's done is done. We (and everyone we know) did not realize the reality of deflated grades and college admissions until this year.
We always just figured it would "work out" and that colleges understood (and cared) about the rigor. My junior has decent grades (well above the average for the class) so she'll be ok. She's not going to HYP but she'll have options.

My younger daughter is in middle school. We like the middle school--it is kind and gentle and well run. We're going to move her before high school. My experience with NCS is that the administration is not receptive to any feedback
(probably because they get so much) and they are fully supportive about NCS' identity as a school with very difficult grading. The HOS said herself at a recent parent association meeting (to paraphrase) "our identity is to be a very rigorous schools with very hard grading".

Things won't change until they have a large percentage of a class fail to matriculate at competitive colleges. Maybe that will be this year, maybe next year, maybe never. Who knows. Admission results are always very cloudy at a school like this because there are plenty of hooked kids whose applications don't follow the "rules".... I.e. they have a sub 3.5 GPA but the parents have a connection somewhere so they call in a favor and the kid gets one admit WAY beyond their pay grade or those of their classmates (I.e. a top 50 admit with a 3.3 GPA). So for stats purposes NCS looks like a success for this student although ultimately it was a due to a favor called in by the parents in the 11th hour.


We had 2 girls graduate from NCS and currently in college, so recent experience. We decided to send our younger DC to a non-big3 school after going through the college process and dealing with applying to colleges with 3.4 GPAs from NCS. The grading is ridiculous. For example, college kid just called and said they got a score of 100 on an essay. Not one point off. Four years of english at NCS and only received an A the year they were taking it at STA. Every other year it was a B+ (usually an 88). So she is obviously well prepared for college, but the grading wears the girls down. They work so, so hard and my girls both said they never really felt smart until they went to college. I wanted something healthier for DC#3.


Where did your daughters get in with a 3.4? Not specific school but type or range?


Colleges in range for NCS 3.4 girls in recent years:
Penn State, Drexel, Temple, Tulane
Bucknell, Denison
St Andrews


what about SLACs? Kenyon, Davidson, Carleton, Wesleyan?


If you are an NCS parent you would have access to this information for last year's class??? Please look.


PP. I think some posters are NCS parents and some are not. Any NCS parent in the class of 2025, 2024, 2023 or above would have full access to this info for 2023's class results. This year is not finished yet.
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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Did Visi really have that many acceptances to GU last year??

Fascinating!!



That is not surprising. Lots and lots of legacies.
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