ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New ECNL podcast is out.
Summary MLSN sucks because they don’t let kids play high school. ECNL is great because they give kids the option.

well sure that is the core difference in rules.

But what they miss is that MLS and ECNL serve different audiences--each side should just embrace that. ECNL kids want college exposure. MLS kids want pro exposure. The pro kids don't care about playing in HS--but the college kids- its an experience they want. Both of these leagues send lots and lots of kids to college--to say otherwise would be false. Only MLS has cornered the market on pro where ECNL can't compete.

It has everything to do with control, has nothing to do with playing pro or college. MLSN just wants full access to their players year round. Which that’s up to the families and players to make that choice.

Nope, MLS knows that High School soccer translates to injuries. The injuries arent worth the subpar HS play.

That’s control? We don’t want them to get hurt playing what is lesser soccer so they don’t allow them. They want access to their players all year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are in a potentially awkward situation where my daughter is a Q4 and one of the top 3 players on a Top 25 team in the nation. Our club is saying strict adherence to age groups to avoid all the noise.

The team below her is not good (~150 ranked) but there are no other clubs that work for our specific situation, so there are girls that are going to get short end of the stick out there.

Your daughter sounds like a phenom! Top 3 player on a top 25 team nationally!? You have solid options. If she's one of the best players on her team I doubt the club wouldn't want her to play up, even with some girls added for consideration due to the age change.

The other possibility is that the not so good team a year down becomes vastly better with new players.

The reality is no matter what the age range formation, kids will still be placed with other comparably skilled players.

As they say, colleges recruit individuals not teams. If pp’s kid really is a star player, they will be seen.

The only exceptions clubs should make are August kids who will be playing with their actual grade based on their specific school’s cut off date. Otherwise it’s a huge headache of people like PP.

I agree with this.Big clubs that don't want drama should stick to the new age groups but you have to all Agust kids play up if they are in the same grade as the rest of the team. It would be gruel to force an August player down if they are in a grade higher. Luckily my ECNL club will allow my August daughter to play up with her grade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are in a potentially awkward situation where my daughter is a Q4 and one of the top 3 players on a Top 25 team in the nation. Our club is saying strict adherence to age groups to avoid all the noise.

The team below her is not good (~150 ranked) but there are no other clubs that work for our specific situation, so there are girls that are going to get short end of the stick out there.

If soccer is that much of an opportunity for her and if it's possible, maybe move to a community with a club that would work for you? Also, if your kid is that good, threaten to leave the club if she doesn't stay on the team. And if you have to leave, maybe find a few fellow players to go with that would help make the new team strong. Be proactive. Do what's best for your kid and family.

While she is a very good player she would have to be the 2nd coming of Cat Macario, which she isnt, for us to move communities 🤣

I love watching her but not enough to move to a different city or drive 90min to and from a practice 3X a week.

Good for you. I hope it all works out for your daughter and she continues to have fun and enjoy the game. Too many parents think their kid is the next coming and change clubs 3-60 minutes away and in the end just isn't worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are in a potentially awkward situation where my daughter is a Q4 and one of the top 3 players on a Top 25 team in the nation. Our club is saying strict adherence to age groups to avoid all the noise.

The team below her is not good (~150 ranked) but there are no other clubs that work for our specific situation, so there are girls that are going to get short end of the stick out there.

If your daughter is an August birthday and playing with her grade then that would really suck. If not, in the end it will work out. She will not be the top 1 player on team currently ranked ~150 which she would help drive up and being the best player she will be the one noticed more than the others. Now if it is just about winning and saying you are on a top 25 team then that is different. In the end just make sure she is having fun and it will work out fine.

[Anonymous]

Apologies if folks have already discussed this somewhere in this thread (I’m sure they have) but have any clubs shared how exactly they’re going to do this? We are at a club that does not have current players try out every year. It’s hard to imagine not having the Q4 players at least play alongside the kids the year down at some point even if they don’t call it a tryout but who knows. How did most clubs do it with the shift to school year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New ECNL podcast is out.
Summary MLSN sucks because they don’t let kids play high school. ECNL is great because they give kids the option.

well sure that is the core difference in rules.

But what they miss is that MLS and ECNL serve different audiences--each side should just embrace that. ECNL kids want college exposure. MLS kids want pro exposure. The pro kids don't care about playing in HS--but the college kids- its an experience they want. Both of these leagues send lots and lots of kids to college--to say otherwise would be false. Only MLS has cornered the market on pro where ECNL can't compete.

It has everything to do with control, has nothing to do with playing pro or college. MLSN just wants full access to their players year round. Which that’s up to the families and players to make that choice.

Nope, MLS knows that High School soccer translates to injuries. The injuries arent worth the subpar HS play.

That’s control? We don’t want them to get hurt playing what is lesser soccer so they don’t allow them. They want access to their players all year.

MLSN doesnt allow HS Soccer because it occurs at different times of the year across America. Its just too difficult to accommodate when running a national league. Also many states have rules that during HS season players cant practice or play club soccer.

[Anonymous]

I don’t understand the drama here. Maybe I’m just not getting it. So new cutoff is SY 8/1 to 7/31. So kids who are say August bday and in the same grade as kids born earlier than August still with their school year, right? If the area school cutoff is 9/1? Is the issue simply that different kids, I guess 2Q, will now be the youngest on the team? Or just that the teams will be mixed up with some different players now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the drama here. Maybe I’m just not getting it. So new cutoff is SY 8/1 to 7/31. So kids who are say August bday and in the same grade as kids born earlier than August still with their school year, right? If the area school cutoff is 9/1? Is the issue simply that different kids, I guess 2Q, will now be the youngest on the team? Or just that the teams will be mixed up with some different players now?

I'm assuming they will be pushed down but then possibly moved up a tier. My daughter has a dec birthday and is on team 2 (ECRL). I'm hoping she'll be on team 1 next (next) year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the drama here. Maybe I’m just not getting it. So new cutoff is SY 8/1 to 7/31. So kids who are say August bday and in the same grade as kids born earlier than August still with their school year, right? If the area school cutoff is 9/1? Is the issue simply that different kids, I guess 2Q, will now be the youngest on the team? Or just that the teams will be mixed up with some different players now?

If your school district starts 9/1 there will be kids born from 8/1-9/1 that are a year older in school but because the soccer SY cutoff date is 8/1 technically they can either be the youngest on a team with kids their grade in school (by playing up) or the oldest by playing on a team with kids a grade below in school.

In this situation ethical clubs will place players on teams with their grade in school. Unethical clubs will allow players to play on teams a grade lower. The problem with this is it screws uo recruiting when players get older.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the drama here. Maybe I’m just not getting it. So new cutoff is SY 8/1 to 7/31. So kids who are say August bday and in the same grade as kids born earlier than August still with their school year, right? If the area school cutoff is 9/1? Is the issue simply that different kids, I guess 2Q, will now be the youngest on the team? Or just that the teams will be mixed up with some different players now?

If your school district starts 9/1 there will be kids born from 8/1-9/1 that are a year older in school but because the soccer SY cutoff date is 8/1 technically they can either be the youngest on a team with kids their grade in school (by playing up) or the oldest by playing on a team with kids a grade below in school.

In this situation ethical clubs will place players on teams with their grade in school. Unethical clubs will allow players to play on teams a grade lower. The problem with this is it screws uo recruiting when players get older.

This is correct. The other issue is even if one club is ethical crazy parents with aug birthday kids will search out clubs that arent so their kid can be the biggest on the team.

This is why the SY+60 person keeps posting. Its the same thing as SY with an 8/1 cutoff but it eliminates the situation where players can play down on teams where everyone is a grade lower in school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the drama here. Maybe I’m just not getting it. So new cutoff is SY 8/1 to 7/31. So kids who are say August bday and in the same grade as kids born earlier than August still with their school year, right? If the area school cutoff is 9/1? Is the issue simply that different kids, I guess 2Q, will now be the youngest on the team? Or just that the teams will be mixed up with some different players now?

If your school district starts 9/1 there will be kids born from 8/1-9/1 that are a year older in school but because the soccer SY cutoff date is 8/1 technically they can either be the youngest on a team with kids their grade in school (by playing up) or the oldest by playing on a team with kids a grade below in school.

In this situation ethical clubs will place players on teams with their grade in school. Unethical clubs will allow players to play on teams a grade lower. The problem with this is it screws uo recruiting when players get older.

This is correct. The other issue is even if one club is ethical crazy parents with aug birthday kids will search out clubs that arent so their kid can be the biggest on the team.

This is why the SY+60 person keeps posting. Its the same thing as SY with an 8/1 cutoff but it eliminates the situation where players can play down on teams where everyone is a grade lower in school.

It's not the same thing. August players don't have to play with their grade. + whatever has two conditions that needed to be met, moving to 8/1 only one condition needs to be met.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the drama here. Maybe I’m just not getting it. So new cutoff is SY 8/1 to 7/31. So kids who are say August bday and in the same grade as kids born earlier than August still with their school year, right? If the area school cutoff is 9/1? Is the issue simply that different kids, I guess 2Q, will now be the youngest on the team? Or just that the teams will be mixed up with some different players now?

If your school district starts 9/1 there will be kids born from 8/1-9/1 that are a year older in school but because the soccer SY cutoff date is 8/1 technically they can either be the youngest on a team with kids their grade in school (by playing up) or the oldest by playing on a team with kids a grade below in school.

In this situation ethical clubs will place players on teams with their grade in school. Unethical clubs will allow players to play on teams a grade lower. The problem with this is it screws uo recruiting when players get older.

This is correct. The other issue is even if one club is ethical crazy parents with aug birthday kids will search out clubs that arent so their kid can be the biggest on the team.

This is why the SY+60 person keeps posting. Its the same thing as SY with an 8/1 cutoff but it eliminates the situation where players can play down on teams where everyone is a grade lower in school.

It's not the same thing. August players don't have to play with their grade. + whatever has two conditions that needed to be met, moving to 8/1 only one condition needs to be met.

Yes there's 2 conditions to be met (birthcert and proof of grade) however once implemented SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff is the same thing as SY with an 8/1 cutoff.

The difference is under SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff aug birthdays cant play down on teams that are a grade below them in school.

Everything still works in tournaments etc.

[Anonymous]

BTW the reason for SY+60 with a 9/1 cutoff and not SY+30 is because +60 addresses all trapped players and doesnt allow grade older 7/1-9/1 birthdays to play down.

See how it works? Everything parents complain and argue about is addressed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the drama here. Maybe I’m just not getting it. So new cutoff is SY 8/1 to 7/31. So kids who are say August bday and in the same grade as kids born earlier than August still with their school year, right? If the area school cutoff is 9/1? Is the issue simply that different kids, I guess 2Q, will now be the youngest on the team? Or just that the teams will be mixed up with some different players now?

If your school district starts 9/1 there will be kids born from 8/1-9/1 that are a year older in school but because the soccer SY cutoff date is 8/1 technically they can either be the youngest on a team with kids their grade in school (by playing up) or the oldest by playing on a team with kids a grade below in school.

In this situation ethical clubs will place players on teams with their grade in school. Unethical clubs will allow players to play on teams a grade lower. The problem with this is it screws uo recruiting when players get older.

I get your point but “unethical” isn’t the right word. Clubs will do what’s best for the clubs and allowing an Aug kid to play up with their grade might not make sense for that team and the kids that would be added to it.

[Anonymous]

Do we get a news drop from GA today on their plans?! What does the group think they’re going to do?!