That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

[Anonymous]

We had a friend who drank a lot. She would seem fine for hours, then pass out. She also tended to strip before passing out. We had to watch her like a hawk so nothing would happen to her. If she disappeared with a guy, anything could have happened. And here's the thing: it would be tough to put 100% of the blame on the guy given that she egged the guys on. We were protecting the guys as much as we were protecting her.

I remember getting calls/texts from guys saying to come pick up our friend---and finding her naked on a bed or couch. Same story every time: "she seemed fine and then all of a sudden stripped and passed out." We knew she did that. All. The. Time.

If the Stanford victim was my friend---given how my friend acted (until she realized she had a problem and sought help)---different story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The person who posted the last couple of posts in support of Turner must be a dad, of a son, who is a jerk. Tell us who you are.

I am a female former frat party veteran who can see shades of gray in this story. I've read the police reports, the victim's statement and impact statement, as well as, some of the letters written on behalf of Brock.

I had never heard of this case until this thread. I feel bad for Emily but I think that this girl has an out of control problem with alcohol and a tolerance level that would kill a horse. 4 shots of whiskey pre party is A LOT of alcohol for a girl. Passing out drunk outside to the point where you are unresponsive is a serious problem. Blacking out and having no memory of what you did or what happened to you is a serious problem.

I do not think that a kid like Brock had ever dealt with or seen this level of drinking in a peer. I don't know that it can be assumed that he would have known or understood the level of her impairment. I also think that he was not treating Emily with respect when he went behind that dumpster with her. I would be extremely sad and upset if my son ever treated a girl the way Brock treated Emily that night - kissing and fooling around with her without even getting her name. I would be sad for him to treat himself in such a degrading way - laying down in those disgusting pine needles with a girl. I think that both of these young people were drunk beyond reason that night.

I do not see Brock as the cold blooded predator that some of you do. And I do not see Emily as the hapless victim. I think that their judgement was impaired by alcohol and bad things happened that they both deeply regret. If Brock was aware that Emily was passed out and he touched her passed out body that is really bad and he deserves to be punished for it.

[Anonymous]

So you are the previous poster?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We had a friend who drank a lot. She would seem fine for hours, then pass out. She also tended to strip before passing out. We had to watch her like a hawk so nothing would happen to her. If she disappeared with a guy, anything could have happened. And here's the thing: it would be tough to put 100% of the blame on the guy given that she egged the guys on. We were protecting the guys as much as we were protecting her.

I remember getting calls/texts from guys saying to come pick up our friend---and finding her naked on a bed or couch. Same story every time: "she seemed fine and then all of a sudden stripped and passed out." We knew she did that. All. The. Time.

If the Stanford victim was my friend---given how my friend acted (until she realized she had a problem and sought help)---different story.

No. It wouldn't. She's an asshole, but that doesn't excuse sexually assaulting a passed-out person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The person who posted the last couple of posts in support of Turner must be a dad, of a son, who is a jerk. Tell us who you are.

I am a female former frat party veteran who can see shades of gray in this story. I've read the police reports, the victim's statement and impact statement, as well as, some of the letters written on behalf of Brock.

I had never heard of this case until this thread. I feel bad for Emily but I think that this girl has an out of control problem with alcohol and a tolerance level that would kill a horse. 4 shots of whiskey pre party is A LOT of alcohol for a girl. Passing out drunk outside to the point where you are unresponsive is a serious problem. Blacking out and having no memory of what you did or what happened to you is a serious problem.

I do not think that a kid like Brock had ever dealt with or seen this level of drinking in a peer. I don't know that it can be assumed that he would have known or understood the level of her impairment. I also think that he was not treating Emily with respect when he went behind that dumpster with her. I would be extremely sad and upset if my son ever treated a girl the way Brock treated Emily that night - kissing and fooling around with her without even getting her name. I would be sad for him to treat himself in such a degrading way - laying down in those disgusting pine needles with a girl. I think that both of these young people were drunk beyond reason that night.

I do not see Brock as the cold blooded predator that some of you do. And I do not see Emily as the hapless victim. I think that their judgement was impaired by alcohol and bad things happened that they both deeply regret. If Brock was aware that Emily was passed out and he touched her passed out body that is really bad and he deserves to be punished for it.

The jury convicted him of sexual assault with attempt to rape of an unconscious person. They found that he was aware that she was passed out.

The rest of what you are saying ("shades of gray") is just you projecting.

[Anonymous]

To 9:31, I again ask, are you the previous poster?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To 9:31, I again ask, are you the previous poster?

Which PP? Time stamp?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a lawyer so should probably know the answer to this but why didn't the police question Justin buck about the picture? Seems like a missed opportunity to make the case much stronger. Interesting that he didn't write a letter of support for Brock.

They did. They couldn't tie the picture to Emily Doe. The app that he used did not store the picture on the phone and it was deleted by another member of the group. The swim team basically clammed up. They didn't come out in support of Turner, but they weren't testifying against him either.

A witness, Blake Bolton, saw a man standing over Emily Doe with a phone. She was not conscious. Bolton told the man to roll her over to her side, in case she vomited.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To 9:31, I again ask, are you the previous poster?

Which post are you referring to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently there is a better side of Brock Turner than the one that the hysterical femi-Nazis have portrayed here with no compassion. May your own children make similar errors of judgment some day, so that we can also taunt and ridicule you when they are arrested, crash or OD.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3636575/Ex-girlfriend-Stanford-rapist-expresses-anger-God-instilling-pain-Brock-Turner-s-undeserving-soul-letter-judge.html

I think it speaks volumes that his former girlfriends have such a high opinion of him.

Yup. It means that he is an opportunist and wanted to rape some stranger who was not having dinners with his family on a regular basis. It also means that these girls did not know him at all, and they do not realize how lucky they were that he did not rape them.

This is a case where this man was not an innocent who got into a bad situation. Like the unsuspecting tourist in Saudi Arabia in whose luggage someone slipped in drugs and now no one belives him and he is langusihing in a foreign jail. No. This man was caught raping an unconscious woman behind a DUMPSTER. Her vagina had dirt and pine needles inside. Her life was shattered by his action.

He should be made to suffer, and other would be rapists should remember what the consequence can be. Yes, the justice system failed in giving him a stiffer jail system. But, I am beyong happy that everything in his life is messed up now. And yes, he should not be allowed to coach his future child's team ever because he is a convicted sex offender. But, neither should his dad be allowed to coach his future grandchild's sports team, because this is an arrogant jerk who made his son entitled and a pig in the first place.

Her vagina was lacerated. He "fingered" her hard enough to lacerate her vagina.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had a friend who drank a lot. She would seem fine for hours, then pass out. She also tended to strip before passing out. We had to watch her like a hawk so nothing would happen to her. If she disappeared with a guy, anything could have happened. And here's the thing: it would be tough to put 100% of the blame on the guy given that she egged the guys on. We were protecting the guys as much as we were protecting her.

I remember getting calls/texts from guys saying to come pick up our friend---and finding her naked on a bed or couch. Same story every time: "she seemed fine and then all of a sudden stripped and passed out." We knew she did that. All. The. Time.

If the Stanford victim was my friend---given how my friend acted (until she realized she had a problem and sought help)---different story.

No. It wouldn't. She's an asshole, but that doesn't excuse sexually assaulting a passed-out person.

My often passed out mid-hookup. Most guys stopped. The guys were drunk, too. Gray area when both parties were willing participants when it started.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a lawyer so should probably know the answer to this but why didn't the police question Justin buck about the picture? Seems like a missed opportunity to make the case much stronger. Interesting that he didn't write a letter of support for Brock.

They did. They couldn't tie the picture to Emily Doe. The app that he used did not store the picture on the phone and it was deleted by another member of the group. The swim team basically clammed up. They didn't come out in support of Turner, but they weren't testifying against him either.

A witness, Blake Bolton, saw a man standing over Emily Doe with a phone. She was not conscious. Bolton told the man to roll her over to her side, in case she vomited.

It was mentioned up thread that that was probably the swede who remained behind to check on Emily. When Bolton walked up he told him to turn Emily on her side and ran off to help his friend restrain Brock. Bolton said that he did not turn Emily on her side.

At some point, Emily got turned on her side but it is unclear who did that. Maybe there was another person that walked by?

The thing that gets me is that was a chilly night in the 30's (I looked it up) and Emily was out there on the ground half naked. No one attempted to lay a jacket over her or get a blanket from the house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had a friend who drank a lot. She would seem fine for hours, then pass out. She also tended to strip before passing out. We had to watch her like a hawk so nothing would happen to her. If she disappeared with a guy, anything could have happened. And here's the thing: it would be tough to put 100% of the blame on the guy given that she egged the guys on. We were protecting the guys as much as we were protecting her.

I remember getting calls/texts from guys saying to come pick up our friend---and finding her naked on a bed or couch. Same story every time: "she seemed fine and then all of a sudden stripped and passed out." We knew she did that. All. The. Time.

If the Stanford victim was my friend---given how my friend acted (until she realized she had a problem and sought help)---different story.

No. It wouldn't. She's an asshole, but that doesn't excuse sexually assaulting a passed-out person.

My often passed out mid-hookup. Most guys stopped. The guys were drunk, too. Gray area when both parties were willing participants when it started.

This is not a gray area. When one partner passes out, play time is over.

[Anonymous]

Play time is over, but I'd think a few minutes might lapse before drunk#2 was aware. From what I've read, I would never voted not guilty. But I didn't see all the evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The person who posted the last couple of posts in support of Turner must be a dad, of a son, who is a jerk. Tell us who you are.

I am a female former frat party veteran who can see shades of gray in this story. I've read the police reports, the victim's statement and impact statement, as well as, some of the letters written on behalf of Brock.

I had never heard of this case until this thread. I feel bad for Emily but I think that this girl has an out of control problem with alcohol and a tolerance level that would kill a horse. 4 shots of whiskey pre party is A LOT of alcohol for a girl. Passing out drunk outside to the point where you are unresponsive is a serious problem. Blacking out and having no memory of what you did or what happened to you is a serious problem.

I do not think that a kid like Brock had ever dealt with or seen this level of drinking in a peer. I don't know that it can be assumed that he would have known or understood the level of her impairment. I also think that he was not treating Emily with respect when he went behind that dumpster with her. I would be extremely sad and upset if my son ever treated a girl the way Brock treated Emily that night - kissing and fooling around with her without even getting her name. I would be sad for him to treat himself in such a degrading way - laying down in those disgusting pine needles with a girl. I think that both of these young people were drunk beyond reason that night.

I do not see Brock as the cold blooded predator that some of you do. And I do not see Emily as the hapless victim. I think that their judgement was impaired by alcohol and bad things happened that they both deeply regret. If Brock was aware that Emily was passed out and he touched her passed out body that is really bad and he deserves to be punished for it.

The jury convicted him of sexual assault with attempt to rape of an unconscious person. They found that he was aware that she was passed out.

The rest of what you are saying ("shades of gray") is just you projecting.

The jury sat through that trial, saw all of the evidence presented at the time, got instructions from the judge and they convicted Brock. But there is going to be an appeal. Maybe there is new evidence? Maybe a new witness? Maybe there was a mistake in the jury instructions or in the police investigation?

We'll have to see. But it doesn't sound like this is over quite yet.