Who did you think killed JonBenet?

[Anonymous]

Well, other kids and parents can be mean. No surprise, many people think they are guilty. And so, his parents probably removed him from school to protect him from all of that. So in a way it's ironic that some people think the Ramseys were protecting him by setting up this elaborate murder and kidnapping plot. They were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. I think it's more likely they were protecting him because of their innocence, and not guilt.

The extreme sheltering is probably what contributed to his extreme social anxiety now. What 9 year old would be able grow up with such public scrutiny and accusations and not be affected? They couldn't even go to a grocery store without seeing themselves in the tabloids for a very long time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, other kids and parents can be mean. No surprise, many people think they are guilty. And so, his parents probably removed him from school to protect him from all of that. So in a way it's ironic that some people think the Ramseys were protecting him by setting up this elaborate murder and kidnapping plot. They were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. I think it's more likely they were protecting him because of their innocence, and not guilt.

The extreme sheltering is probably what contributed to his extreme social anxiety now. What 9 year old would be able grow up with such public scrutiny and accusations and not be affected? They couldn't even go to a grocery store without seeing themselves in the tabloids for a very long time.

He could have changed his name, gotten a different look (without plastic surgery), and live a pretty normal life. Nobody has seen or heard from him for 20 years, and no one would know. I don't think the extreme sheltering was out of concern for his wellbeing - it seems much more like an intended isolation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, other kids and parents can be mean. No surprise, many people think they are guilty. And so, his parents probably removed him from school to protect him from all of that. So in a way it's ironic that some people think the Ramseys were protecting him by setting up this elaborate murder and kidnapping plot. They were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. I think it's more likely they were protecting him because of their innocence, and not guilt.

The extreme sheltering is probably what contributed to his extreme social anxiety now. What 9 year old would be able grow up with such public scrutiny and accusations and not be affected? They couldn't even go to a grocery store without seeing themselves in the tabloids for a very long time.

He could have changed his name, gotten a different look (without plastic surgery), and live a pretty normal life. Nobody has seen or heard from him for 20 years, and no one would know. I don't think the extreme sheltering was out of concern for his wellbeing - it seems much more like an intended isolation.

They ALL would've had to do that for it to work. They were recognizable around the world. And it's not likely JR could just drop his business at that point and hide out -- he had massive bills to pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know that not everyone buys the intruder story. I'm still unsure whether it was Burke/accident/cover up vs. intruder. I didn't realize until watching the TLC special what a damn bunch of "deplorables" were living in that town at the time.

Gary Olivia - living 10 houses away in the homeless shelter/church - and his obsession with JB. The poem he wrote about her, and that weird shrine to her? Plus the stun gun. Crazy red flags.

And the the Helgeth guy who lived at the junkyard? He had the Hi-tech boots (which we know were found on the scene yet no one in the household owned Hi-tech boots), he was killed in a "suicide" that was clearly a staged homicide, and he was expecting a payout of 50-60K (the bonus split with a partner) at Christmas that "fell through." And he had been caught in bed with his girlfriend's under-age child and said he could not be trusted around her. OMG it just keeps getting worse. Burke admitted to owning Hi tec boots

Not to mention Santa Bill and the "secret" he was going to treat JB to after Christmas. As the investigator said last night in the special, "What was that about?" Jong to santa, "will you come visit and bring me a special gift? " and him just nodding or saying something to appease her. Totally innocentBenet was very young kids that age are notoriously fanciful. There is no way to know if her statement was based on something that was actually said to her, or a flight of fantasy. OR: I can see her sayin

The Ramsey's did have some boundary issues clearly. They seemed to let anyone and everyone in. And the crime scene was so botched - it is meaningless to say there weren't that many signs of an intruder because the crime scene was compromised, friends were allowed to clean the place, people were coming through, the dad moved the body and cradled it (which seems a natural move when you are in shock and mourning, assuming he didn't know it was there which obviously we don't know). The Boulder police said last night in the special, they were understaffed and the two homicide detectives when to meet with the FBI during the morning when they were still investigating the kidnapping, and the detective let in charge was the only police authority in the house, and she had no experience with kidnapping or homicide, and clearly no control of the situation.

That said the ransom note...so weird. I know it points to Patsy. But I grew up in a wealthy community in the south. I know a lot of Patsy's. They don't watch Ransom and quote lines from Speed. I also feel like after the dinner party, she could have taken a pill and conked out. I'm wondering if the Ramsey's just slept through an intruder. Patsy liked her pills, that was clear. I could see her saying, Christmas is over and mama gonna sleep. We will deal with bed-wetting tomorrow morning. I'm out.

But who knows.

Burke later admitted to owning HiTec boots at the time. Very odd that his parents would not have mentioned this to the police.

JonBenet was very young and kids that age are notoriously fanciful. There is no way to know if her statement was based on something that was actually said to her, or a flight of fantasy. OR: I can see her saying to santa, "will you come visit and bring me a special gift? " and him just nodding or saying something to appease her.

The minute the BPD started zooming in on Burke the Ramsey's shut down all conversation. John wanted to get his family out of dodge and go to Atlanta right after his daughter was found. Patsy was a mess and probably heavily medicated, Burke was too young to be in the middle of this and Patsy's family was a safe haven.

The whole thing with Santa is ridiculous. McReynolds had a weird sort of fascination with JonBenet but he was

[Anonymous]

not involved in JonBenet's death.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, other kids and parents can be mean. No surprise, many people think they are guilty. And so, his parents probably removed him from school to protect him from all of that. So in a way it's ironic that some people think the Ramseys were protecting him by setting up this elaborate murder and kidnapping plot. They were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. I think it's more likely they were protecting him because of their innocence, and not guilt.

The extreme sheltering is probably what contributed to his extreme social anxiety now. What 9 year old would be able grow up with such public scrutiny and accusations and not be affected? They couldn't even go to a grocery store without seeing themselves in the tabloids for a very long time.

He could have changed his name, gotten a different look (without plastic surgery), and live a pretty normal life. Nobody has seen or heard from him for 20 years, and no one would know. I don't think the extreme sheltering was out of concern for his wellbeing - it seems much more like an intended isolation.

Honestly I would never have recognized him if he hadn't come forward. I don't know why he did that but I'm guessing that as long as this is hanging over his head there is the potential for him to be "outed" even if he did change his identity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just don't see a nine year old doing something like this, even accidentally, and not blabbing about it at all in 20 years time. Kids are blabber mouths. Every last one of them.

Someone figured out how to commit the perfect crime and I don't think it was anyone who lived in the Ramsey house.

Do you even know what you are talking about?! When a child is scared or ashamed, they will stay quiet. That is why so many victims of abuse say nothing, until they are adults.

[Anonymous]

In the USA, they are presumed innocent, until proven guilty. They haven't been able to prove the Ramseys did it beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt. The CBS show is not a court of law, and I think it was highly reckless to do it and point the finger at Burke. There is a lot they did not show -- things that would introduce reasonable doubt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know that not everyone buys the intruder story. I'm still unsure whether it was Burke/accident/cover up vs. intruder. I didn't realize until watching the TLC special what a damn bunch of "deplorables" were living in that town at the time.

Gary Olivia - living 10 houses away in the homeless shelter/church - and his obsession with JB. The poem he wrote about her, and that weird shrine to her? Plus the stun gun. Crazy red flags.

And the the Helgeth guy who lived at the junkyard? He had the Hi-tech boots (which we know were found on the scene yet no one in the household owned Hi-tech boots), he was killed in a "suicide" that was clearly a staged homicide, and he was expecting a payout of 50-60K (the bonus split with a partner) at Christmas that "fell through." And he had been caught in bed with his girlfriend's under-age child and said he could not be trusted around her. OMG it just keeps getting worse. Burke admitted to owning Hi tec boots

Not to mention Santa Bill and the "secret" he was going to treat JB to after Christmas. As the investigator said last night in the special, "What was that about?" Jong to santa, "will you come visit and bring me a special gift? " and him just nodding or saying something to appease her. Totally innocentBenet was very young kids that age are notoriously fanciful. There is no way to know if her statement was based on something that was actually said to her, or a flight of fantasy. OR: I can see her sayin

The Ramsey's did have some boundary issues clearly. They seemed to let anyone and everyone in. And the crime scene was so botched - it is meaningless to say there weren't that many signs of an intruder because the crime scene was compromised, friends were allowed to clean the place, people were coming through, the dad moved the body and cradled it (which seems a natural move when you are in shock and mourning, assuming he didn't know it was there which obviously we don't know). The Boulder police said last night in the special, they were understaffed and the two homicide detectives when to meet with the FBI during the morning when they were still investigating the kidnapping, and the detective let in charge was the only police authority in the house, and she had no experience with kidnapping or homicide, and clearly no control of the situation.

That said the ransom note...so weird. I know it points to Patsy. But I grew up in a wealthy community in the south. I know a lot of Patsy's. They don't watch Ransom and quote lines from Speed. I also feel like after the dinner party, she could have taken a pill and conked out. I'm wondering if the Ramsey's just slept through an intruder. Patsy liked her pills, that was clear. I could see her saying, Christmas is over and mama gonna sleep. We will deal with bed-wetting tomorrow morning. I'm out.

But who knows.

Burke later admitted to owning HiTec boots at the time. Very odd that his parents would not have mentioned this to the police.

JonBenet was very young and kids that age are notoriously fanciful. There is no way to know if her statement was based on something that was actually said to her, or a flight of fantasy. OR: I can see her saying to santa, "will you come visit and bring me a special gift? " and him just nodding or saying something to appease her.

They were not a child's footprint.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does Occam's razor apply here? Which is the simplest scenario?

Brother with history of aggression toward sister and emotional issues accidentally killing her. Got mad, hit her with the flashlight JUST right.

There are way too many mental gymnastics necessary to point to the Ramsey parents or an intruder. Burke, dude. Burke.!

I agree to a point, but given the case is unsolved, it is clearly a bridge too far for some to say "There was an accident. The parents, who appeared at least sane and somewhat normal until now, wanted to protect their child so in doing so decided to stage a really bizarre and brutal kidnapping/sexual assault/murder and let their 6 year old lie dead on a basement floor for hours while this played out." A

Possible? Of course. But not sure it falls under "simplest scenario" either.

It's the simplest scenario that fits the evidence -- the ransom note, the garrotte, the flashlight used to hit her being in the home, the fingerprints on the bowl of pineapple, the pineapple in her stomach, the refusal of the Ramsays to cooperate with police, the Ramsays keeping Burke in his room on the day of the murder and then keeping him away from the police for months after the murder, the lack of evidence of an intrusion.

And the Ramsay's lack of cooperation. If they didn't know the killer, they would have been all kinds of cooperative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you know that you did not do a crime, and you get the sense that the PD is looking at you suspiciously as if you were the culprit and trying to get evidence to support that, you would also get a lawyer and stop talking to the PD without a lawyer present, too.

I think the Ramseys know they didn't do this. But it's hard to prove you didn't do something when everyone is eyeing you suspiciously and there are a few tidbits of info that look suspicious. I think the burden of proof is not only that the evidence supports the theory, but that other scenarios can also be disproven.

That's where the CBS show failed in my opinion. They haven't disproven an intruder scenario. The DNA evidence strongly points to an unknown intruder. Couple that with the later Ninja attack, and I can't rule that out as a reasonable possibility.

No problem, most people would not do this if their kid had been murdered and they wanted to find out who the killer was. You can get a lawyer and still cooperate. The Ramsey's wouldn't be interviewed by the police for four months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you know that you did not do a crime, and you get the sense that the PD is looking at you suspiciously as if you were the culprit and trying to get evidence to support that, you would also get a lawyer and stop talking to the PD without a lawyer present, too.

I think the Ramseys know they didn't do this. But it's hard to prove you didn't do something when everyone is eyeing you suspiciously and there are a few tidbits of info that look suspicious. I think the burden of proof is not only that the evidence supports the theory, but that other scenarios can also be disproven.

That's where the CBS show failed in my opinion. They haven't disproven an intruder scenario. The DNA evidence strongly points to an unknown intruder. Couple that with the later Ninja attack, and I can't rule that out as a reasonable possibility.

No problem, most people would not do this if their kid had been murdered and they wanted to find out who the killer was. You can get a lawyer and still cooperate. The Ramsey's wouldn't be interviewed by the police for four months.

That's not true. The Ramseys did cooperate at first. They even took multiple lie detector tests, and passed. But when their friend pointed out to them it looked like the police were looking at them as suspects, they lawyered up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you know that you did not do a crime, and you get the sense that the PD is looking at you suspiciously as if you were the culprit and trying to get evidence to support that, you would also get a lawyer and stop talking to the PD without a lawyer present, too.

I think the Ramseys know they didn't do this. But it's hard to prove you didn't do something when everyone is eyeing you suspiciously and there are a few tidbits of info that look suspicious. I think the burden of proof is not only that the evidence supports the theory, but that other scenarios can also be disproven.

That's where the CBS show failed in my opinion. They haven't disproven an intruder scenario. The DNA evidence strongly points to an unknown intruder. Couple that with the later Ninja attack, and I can't rule that out as a reasonable possibility.

No problem, most people would not do this if their kid had been murdered and they wanted to find out who the killer was. You can get a lawyer and still cooperate. The Ramsey's wouldn't be interviewed by the police for four months.

That's not true. The Ramseys did cooperate at first. They even took multiple lie detector tests, and passed. But when their friend pointed out to them it looked like the police were looking at them as suspects, they lawyered up.

They did one interview. The lie detector tests were given by their lawyers,not the police. Are you their publicist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you know that you did not do a crime, and you get the sense that the PD is looking at you suspiciously as if you were the culprit and trying to get evidence to support that, you would also get a lawyer and stop talking to the PD without a lawyer present, too.

I think the Ramseys know they didn't do this. But it's hard to prove you didn't do something when everyone is eyeing you suspiciously and there are a few tidbits of info that look suspicious. I think the burden of proof is not only that the evidence supports the theory, but that other scenarios can also be disproven.

That's where the CBS show failed in my opinion. They haven't disproven an intruder scenario. The DNA evidence strongly points to an unknown intruder. Couple that with the later Ninja attack, and I can't rule that out as a reasonable possibility.

No problem, most people would not do this if their kid had been murdered and they wanted to find out who the killer was. You can get a lawyer and still cooperate. The Ramsey's wouldn't be interviewed by the police for four months.

Absolutely. I'm a parent and a lawyer. If I had nothing to hide, I'd let the police go nuts on investigating and interviewing me. Why would I be super worried about that when my priority is to find justice for my child?

Plus, if police did wrongly target my family, I'm smart, and my family is wealthy and powerful. We will probably end up okay.

Calculus all weighs in favor of cooperating with police (assuming no one in the family was involved).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you know that you did not do a crime, and you get the sense that the PD is looking at you suspiciously as if you were the culprit and trying to get evidence to support that, you would also get a lawyer and stop talking to the PD without a lawyer present, too.

I think the Ramseys know they didn't do this. But it's hard to prove you didn't do something when everyone is eyeing you suspiciously and there are a few tidbits of info that look suspicious. I think the burden of proof is not only that the evidence supports the theory, but that other scenarios can also be disproven.

That's where the CBS show failed in my opinion. They haven't disproven an intruder scenario. The DNA evidence strongly points to an unknown intruder. Couple that with the later Ninja attack, and I can't rule that out as a reasonable possibility.

No problem, most people would not do this if their kid had been murdered and they wanted to find out who the killer was. You can get a lawyer and still cooperate. The Ramsey's wouldn't be interviewed by the police for four months.

That's not true. The Ramseys did cooperate at first. They even took multiple lie detector tests, and passed. But when their friend pointed out to them it

looked like the police were looking at them as suspects, they lawyered up.

They did one interview. The lie detector tests were given by their lawyers,not the police. Are you their publicist?

No. I don't know them at all and don't have anything to do with this case. Where do you get your inside information from? You don't think there's any reasonable doubt? I do.