Who did you think killed JonBenet?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How does Occam's razor apply here? Which is the simplest scenario?

Brother with history of aggression toward sister and emotional issues accidentally killing her. Got mad, hit her with the flashlight JUST right.

There are way too many mental gymnastics necessary to point to the Ramsey parents or an intruder. Burke, dude. Burke.!

What history of aggression? Please don't tell me you're making things up about the golf club incident again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How does Occam's razor apply here? Which is the simplest scenario?

Burke

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does Occam's razor apply here? Which is the simplest scenario?

Brother with history of aggression toward sister and emotional issues accidentally killing her. Got mad, hit her with the flashlight JUST right.

There are way too many mental gymnastics necessary to point to the Ramsey parents or an intruder. Burke, dude. Burke.!

I agree to a point, but given the case is unsolved, it is clearly a bridge too far for some to say "There was an accident. The parents, who appeared at least sane and somewhat normal until now, wanted to protect their child so in doing so decided to stage a really bizarre and brutal kidnapping/sexual assault/murder and let their 6 year old lie dead on a basement floor for hours while this played out."

Possible? Of course. But not sure it falls under "simplest scenario" either.

It's the simplest scenario that fits the evidence -- the ransom note, the garrotte, the flashlight used to hit her being in the home, the fingerprints on the bowl of pineapple, the pineapple in her stomach, the refusal of the Ramsays to cooperate with police, the Ramsays keeping Burke in his room on the day of the murder and then keeping him away from the police for months after the murder, the lack of evidence of an intrusion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else sick of the pineapple thing? I really don't think it has anything to do with the murder. I think she was put to bed, woke up, got some pineapple, went back to bed. Or she ate it before the party.

No, I think the pineapple is everything. It's the one thing the parents didn't know happened and can't explain away with their intruder theory.

I mean seriously. At first JR said he gave his keys to a few people. Then he started telling investigators he gave his house keys to everyone. He did the same with suspects--named anyone and everyone. He also brought up a mysterious van many months after the murder. If you watch their police interviews, they claim that anything collected from their house with Patsy's writing isn't hers--they don't know whose writing it could be. (I heard they use those videos at the FBI to show new agents what lying looks like.) There is only one reason the cops focused so intently on the Ramseys: it was obvious to them because of all the lies they were telling.

Yeah in the CBS doc a former friend of Patsy's said she knew the mayor and Patsy asked her if she would put in a request with the mayor for protection for the Ramseys. The mayor scoffed and said "There is no need for them to have any protection."

I fully believe it was Burke and it was accidental but the Ramseys FLIPPED and rather than call police/ambulance and try to revive JB or just come clean, they panicked and covered it up. They very clearly were invested in maintaining the picture perfect family persona and admitting that one child had severe mental disturbances to the point that he accidentally killed a sibling would not only make the child look bad and possibly ruin his life, it would theirs as well. I think they were partly motivated by protecting Burke but mostly motivated by protecting the family image. They just couldn't be the kind of people who had a kid so messed up he would accidentally kill another one. Way too much would have come to light about Burke and his issues and how the Ramseys had (or had not) handled them.
I don't see the Ramsey parents doing it, and it's obvious it wasn't an intruder.

+1

Does anyone else think that Burke did not get the help he needed? Ever? So sad.

[Anonymous]

If you know that you did not do a crime, and you get the sense that the PD is looking at you suspiciously as if you were the culprit and trying to get evidence to support that, you would also get a lawyer and stop talking to the PD without a lawyer present, too.

I think the Ramseys know they didn't do this. But it's hard to prove you didn't do something when everyone is eyeing you suspiciously and there are a few tidbits of info that look suspicious. I think the burden of proof is not only that the evidence supports the theory, but that other scenarios can also be disproven.

That's where the CBS show failed in my opinion. They haven't disproven an intruder scenario. The DNA evidence strongly points to an unknown intruder. Couple that with the later Ninja attack, and I can't rule that out as a reasonable possibility.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What do u mean they had burke's medical records sealed?

I just googled it looks like they remain sealed to this day. The Ramsey's asked for and were able to have his records sealed.

In any other unintentional death the medical records of a sibling would remain sealed even if the sibling was somehow involved in the unintentional death. It would be a huge invasion of privacy to lay out Burke's medical records for all to see. The kid was too young to be charged with a crime. I really think it would be highly inappropriate to release those records UNLESS Burke agreed to release them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you know that you did not do a crime, and you get the sense that the PD is looking at you suspiciously as if you were the culprit and trying to get evidence to support that, you would also get a lawyer and stop talking to the PD without a lawyer present, too.

I think the Ramseys know they didn't do this. But it's hard to prove you didn't do something when everyone is eyeing you suspiciously and there are a few tidbits of info that look suspicious. I think the burden of proof is not only that the evidence supports the theory, but that other scenarios can also be disproven.

That's where the CBS show failed in my opinion. They haven't disproven an intruder scenario. The DNA evidence strongly points to an unknown intruder. Couple that with the later Ninja attack, and I can't rule that out as a reasonable possibility.

Exactly. Even innocent people don't want the private medical records and lives to be laid bare...

They were protecting themselves but most of all they were protecting their 9 year old kid. It isn't rocket science.

[Anonymous]

I just don't see a nine year old doing something like this, even accidentally, and not blabbing about it at all in 20 years time. Kids are blabber mouths. Every last one of them.

Someone figured out how to commit the perfect crime and I don't think it was anyone who lived in the Ramsey house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just don't see a nine year old doing something like this, even accidentally, and not blabbing about it at all in 20 years time. Kids are blabber mouths. Every last one of them.

Someone figured out how to commit the perfect crime and I don't think it was anyone who lived in the Ramsey house.

Burke was isolated and protected very early on. He stopped going to school, most likely stopped playing on any sports teams he was on, stopped seeing his friends. The family flew straight to Atlanta where they retreated into the safety of Patsy's family. I don't know if he ever went back into that house. And he has been hearing about the intruder for the last 20 years. The kid was only 9 years old.

This young man has lived a very different sort of life. I don't know how reliable his memories of that day really are.

[Anonymous]

Apologies if this has been brought it, but doesn't it strike anyone else how weird it is just how sheltered Burke grew up?

No internet leaks? No social media footprint? Nothing from others who grew up with him?

It's like he grew up in an extremely protected bubble - almost a manufactured one. Utterly bizarre. Not just because of what happened to his sister, but beyond any kind of normal family overprotection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apologies if this has been brought it, but doesn't it strike anyone else how weird it is just how sheltered Burke grew up?

No internet leaks? No social media footprint? Nothing from others who grew up with him?

It's like he grew up in an extremely protected bubble - almost a manufactured one. Utterly bizarre. Not just because of what happened to his sister, but beyond any kind of normal family overprotection.

I think that his parents were worried about him. He seems a little gullible, socially naive and they probably thought it might be wise to keep him close and only around a very trusted circle - away from all the talk about JonBenet. Can you really blame them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Apologies if this has been brought it, but doesn't it strike anyone else how weird it is just how sheltered Burke grew up?

No internet leaks? No social media footprint? Nothing from others who grew up with him?

It's like he grew up in an extremely protected bubble - almost a manufactured one. Utterly bizarre. Not just because of what happened to his sister, but beyond any kind of normal family overprotection.

I think that his parents were worried about him. He seems a little gullible, socially naive and they probably thought it might be wise to keep him close and only around a very trusted circle - away from all the talk about JonBenet. Can you really blame them?

It seems beyond any reasonable protection. Even in college, nary a social footprint? I completely understand protection and overprotection, but something seems very bizarrely manufactured or excessively controlled about Burke's life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know that not everyone buys the intruder story. I'm still unsure whether it was Burke/accident/cover up vs. intruder. I didn't realize until watching the TLC special what a damn bunch of "deplorables" were living in that town at the time.

Gary Olivia - living 10 houses away in the homeless shelter/church - and his obsession with JB. The poem he wrote about her, and that weird shrine to her? Plus the stun gun. Crazy red flags.

And the the Helgeth guy who lived at the junkyard? He had the Hi-tech boots (which we know were found on the scene yet no one in the household owned Hi-tech boots), he was killed in a "suicide" that was clearly a staged homicide, and he was expecting a payout of 50-60K (the bonus split with a partner) at Christmas that "fell through." And he had been caught in bed with his girlfriend's under-age child and said he could not be trusted around her. OMG it just keeps getting worse. Burke admitted to owning Hi tec boots

Not to mention Santa Bill and the "secret" he was going to treat JB to after Christmas. As the investigator said last night in the special, "What was that about?" Jong to santa, "will you come visit and bring me a special gift? " and him just nodding or saying something to appease her. Totally innocentBenet was very young kids that age are notoriously fanciful. There is no way to know if her statement was based on something that was actually said to her, or a flight of fantasy. OR: I can see her sayin

The Ramsey's did have some boundary issues clearly. They seemed to let anyone and everyone in. And the crime scene was so botched - it is meaningless to say there weren't that many signs of an intruder because the crime scene was compromised, friends were allowed to clean the place, people were coming through, the dad moved the body and cradled it (which seems a natural move when you are in shock and mourning, assuming he didn't know it was there which obviously we don't know). The Boulder police said last night in the special, they were understaffed and the two homicide detectives when to meet with the FBI during the morning when they were still investigating the kidnapping, and the detective let in charge was the only police authority in the house, and she had no experience with kidnapping or homicide, and clearly no control of the situation.

That said the ransom note...so weird. I know it points to Patsy. But I grew up in a wealthy community in the south. I know a lot of Patsy's. They don't watch Ransom and quote lines from Speed. I also feel like after the dinner party, she could have taken a pill and conked out. I'm wondering if the Ramsey's just slept through an intruder. Patsy liked her pills, that was clear. I could see her saying, Christmas is over and mama gonna sleep. We will deal with bed-wetting tomorrow morning. I'm out.

But who knows.

Burke later admitted to owning HiTec boots at the time. Very odd that his parents would not have mentioned this to the police.

JonBenet was very young and kids that age are notoriously fanciful. There is no way to know if her statement was based on something that was actually said to her, or a flight of fantasy. OR: I can see her saying to santa, "will you come visit and bring me a special gift? " and him just nodding or saying something to appease her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don't see a nine year old doing something like this, even accidentally, and not blabbing about it at all in 20 years time. Kids are blabber mouths. Every last one of them.

Someone figured out how to commit the perfect crime and I don't think it was anyone who lived in the Ramsey house.

Burke was isolated and protected very early on. He stopped going to school, most likely stopped playing on any sports teams he was on, stopped seeing his friends. The family flew straight to Atlanta where they retreated into the safety of Patsy's family. I don't know if he ever went back into that house. And he has been hearing about the intruder for the last 20 years. The kid was only 9 years old.

This young man has lived a very different sort of life. I don't know how reliable his memories of that day really are.

I heard that he does have FB, haven't bothered to look myself

[Anonymous]

I think people that haven't need to Google "JonBenet's neck." It'll pop up zoomed in pictures of her neck. The rope REALLY dug into her neck. Anyone who did that is a twisted son of a b-tch.