APS Closing Nottingham

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Nottingham “community’s concerns” are and historically have in the past been those of a bunch of over privileged richer parents who dig in whenever anything slightly bad is sent their way. Just deal, please, like other school communities have done. Your kids will be fine at Discovery and other nearby schools, and I for one (anndbo suspect many others here) are tired of listening to you whine. Being upset about your kids going to Discovery is really the most ridiculous champagne problem on this board right now.

Please. Can we stop pretending that UMC households in Arlington have degrees of over privilege? The folks buying new builds in 22204 for $1.6m are not hard up. Average prices are what they are, folks. I very much doubt the ESL FARMS families are debating on this board. Take your high but not high enough earner insecurity somewhere else and try to engage in the merits, OK?

Why do you assume that PP has a lower HHI or home value than you do? Relativity of privilege is irrelevant and I fully agree with the PP. MANY communities of all HHIs have sucked up much worse scenarios.

Sure, but have they without at least having a discussion and asking questions? You can't possibly expect people not to put up a fight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Nottingham “community’s concerns” are and historically have in the past been those of a bunch of over privileged richer parents who dig in whenever anything slightly bad is sent their way. Just deal, please, like other school communities have done. Your kids will be fine at Discovery and other nearby schools, and I for one (anndbo suspect many others here) are tired of listening to you whine. Being upset about your kids going to Discovery is really the most ridiculous champagne problem on this board right now.

Please. Can we stop pretending that UMC households in Arlington have degrees of over privilege? The folks buying new builds in 22204 for $1.6m are not hard up. Average prices are what they are, folks. I very much doubt the ESL FARMS families are debating on this board. Take your high but not high enough earner insecurity somewhere else and try to engage in the merits, OK?

The difference is our kids attend Title 1 schools and are friends with the ESL fr/l kids, so maybe we have a different set of concerns and your “concerns” really come off as small potatoes. Seriously.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This “highly walkable neighborhood school” has been significantly underenrolled for years. And it’s getting worse, not better with fewer than 50 kids in K. So that data alone combines with the two other “highly walkable” schools within a mile or so in each direction strongly supports the APS plan.

Undernrolled with trailers? That’s the only way you get “significantly.”

From all the kids I’m seeing around here, kids which are mysteriously missing from APS’ data, Tuckahoe and Discovery will likely be overcrowded on Day 1. Nottingham won’t be converted back until every single renovation on the books is done and a year-long redistricting is done. Kindergartners will be in HS before anything gets fixed.

Please tell me you’d sign up for overcrowding if it was for the “greater good” but not your kids. Go ahead. Show us how selfless and un-privileged you are.

I signed up for overcrowding as a member of McKinley when we were under renovations and you guys just COULD NOT manage to take on extra planning units. McKinley took them even though we were still having trailers and renovations didn't finish in time so as a PP said we were at approximately 125%. We took them because Nottingham put up a fight -- it was just going to be too hard for you all -- and you said you could not. (Just like you are saying now -- it's going to just be too hard!!) So please don't lecture me about how I wouldn't do something if it benefited the greater good. I would and I have.

Suck it up and deal like everyone else around you does. Tuckahoe and Taylor etc are great schools with great supports.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Nottingham “community’s concerns” are and historically have in the past been those of a bunch of over privileged richer parents who dig in whenever anything slightly bad is sent their way. Just deal, please, like other school communities have done. Your kids will be fine at Discovery and other nearby schools, and I for one (anndbo suspect many others here) are tired of listening to you whine. Being upset about your kids going to Discovery is really the most ridiculous champagne problem on this board right now.

Please. Can we stop pretending that UMC households in Arlington have degrees of over privilege? The folks buying new builds in 22204 for $1.6m are not hard up. Average prices are what they are, folks. I very much doubt the ESL FARMS families are debating on this board. Take your high but not high enough earner insecurity somewhere else and try to engage in the merits, OK?

The difference is our kids attend Title 1 schools and are friends with the ESL fr/l kids, so maybe we have a different set of concerns and your “concerns” really come off as small potatoes. Seriously.

Not PP, but basically because my concerns are different than your concerns, my concerns are invalid. Got it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Nottingham “community’s concerns” are and historically have in the past been those of a bunch of over privileged richer parents who dig in whenever anything slightly bad is sent their way. Just deal, please, like other school communities have done. Your kids will be fine at Discovery and other nearby schools, and I for one (anndbo suspect many others here) are tired of listening to you whine. Being upset about your kids going to Discovery is really the most ridiculous champagne problem on this board right now.

Please. Can we stop pretending that UMC households in Arlington have degrees of over privilege? The folks buying new builds in 22204 for $1.6m are not hard up. Average prices are what they are, folks. I very much doubt the ESL FARMS families are debating on this board. Take your high but not high enough earner insecurity somewhere else and try to engage in the merits, OK?

Why do you assume that PP has a lower HHI or home value than you do? Relativity of privilege is irrelevant and I fully agree with the PP. MANY communities of all HHIs have sucked up much worse scenarios.

Sure, but have they without at least having a discussion and asking questions? You can't possibly expect people not to put up a fight.

Asking questions? Sure.
Putting up a fight? Only if it is unreasonable solution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Nottingham “community’s concerns” are and historically have in the past been those of a bunch of over privileged richer parents who dig in whenever anything slightly bad is sent their way. Just deal, please, like other school communities have done. Your kids will be fine at Discovery and other nearby schools, and I for one (anndbo suspect many others here) are tired of listening to you whine. Being upset about your kids going to Discovery is really the most ridiculous champagne problem on this board right now.

Please. Can we stop pretending that UMC households in Arlington have degrees of over privilege? The folks buying new builds in 22204 for $1.6m are not hard up. Average prices are what they are, folks. I very much doubt the ESL FARMS families are debating on this board. Take your high but not high enough earner insecurity somewhere else and try to engage in the merits, OK?

Why do you assume that PP has a lower HHI or home value than you do? Relativity of privilege is irrelevant and I fully agree with the PP. MANY communities of all HHIs have sucked up much worse scenarios.

Sure, but have they without at least having a discussion and asking questions? You can't possibly expect people not to put up a fight.

Asking questions? Sure.
Putting up a fight? Only if it is unreasonable solution.

I think right now the fight is just to get answers from APS to the questions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This “highly walkable neighborhood school” has been significantly underenrolled for years. And it’s getting worse, not better with fewer than 50 kids in K. So that data alone combines with the two other “highly walkable” schools within a mile or so in each direction strongly supports the APS plan.

Undernrolled with trailers? That’s the only way you get “significantly.”

From all the kids I’m seeing around here, kids which are mysteriously missing from APS’ data, Tuckahoe and Discovery will likely be overcrowded on Day 1. Nottingham won’t be converted back until every single renovation on the books is done and a year-long redistricting is done. Kindergartners will be in HS before anything gets fixed.

Please tell me you’d sign up for overcrowding if it was for the “greater good” but not your kids. Go ahead. Show us how selfless and un-privileged you are.

Having a hard time caring that a couple of NA schools may be over enrolled, when most SA schools always are.

The renos are needed. Get over it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Nottingham “community’s concerns” are and historically have in the past been those of a bunch of over privileged richer parents who dig in whenever anything slightly bad is sent their way. Just deal, please, like other school communities have done. Your kids will be fine at Discovery and other nearby schools, and I for one (anndbo suspect many others here) are tired of listening to you whine. Being upset about your kids going to Discovery is really the most ridiculous champagne problem on this board right now.

3 people killed right outside Nottingham isn't my definition of slightly bad, but ok.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are there actually supporters of this plan? The overcrowding baked into the plan is bad for students and teachers. The massive additional traffic is bad for cyclists, pedestrians and our environment. The plan's failure to identify which schools need renovations is bad for transparency and limits who is engaged in the county. It seems half baked, at best.

I don't think it sounds like a very good plan for many reasons but the argument that APS didn't ID the schools to be renovated just doesn't resonate. They got this proposed plan out early so the community could engage and they are still assessing the condition of the buildings. The list of schools to renovate will come, and I don't see how it really matters one way or another which schools are on that list. There are definitely schools that really need renovations and trying to claim otherwise would be an ugly look. Focus on your other arguments. There's the traffic safety and the overcrowding/capacity and probably a zillion other ways APS screwed up and didn't analyze data or capacity utilization correctly.

Because those families being impacted by renovations should be informed and heard from, especially if there are considerations around transportation, extended day availability, etc.

And they will be when the time comes. No one swing space location is going to make everyone happy.

The time is now before a swing space is chosen.

And how does that play out? There are schools in both the north and the south that ultimately need renovations. Everyone's going to want a location that's as close as possible to their current location. I live in the south. Even if all the major renovations needing swing space are schools in the south, I think APS should use what is most feasible and cost-effective. It's those south school communities that are going to be the most inconvenienced, not anyone in the north who's merely being redistricted to a nearby school.

Yes, and that's why swing space should be in the center of the county.

And they aren't "merely being redistricted to a nearby school" - APS is closing a neighborhood school.

Which centrally-located school would work well in your opinion? One that’s not under-enrolled like those in NA?

We are in SA. If we have to go to a swing school in the future, it won’t make much of a difference if it’s in the center or slightly more northern. The county isn’t all that big.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Nottingham “community’s concerns” are and historically have in the past been those of a bunch of over privileged richer parents who dig in whenever anything slightly bad is sent their way. Just deal, please, like other school communities have done. Your kids will be fine at Discovery and other nearby schools, and I for one (anndbo suspect many others here) are tired of listening to you whine. Being upset about your kids going to Discovery is really the most ridiculous champagne problem on this board right now.

3 people killed right outside Nottingham isn't my definition of slightly bad, but ok.

Get a couple of crossing guards? Seems like an easy fix?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This “highly walkable neighborhood school” has been significantly underenrolled for years. And it’s getting worse, not better with fewer than 50 kids in K. So that data alone combines with the two other “highly walkable” schools within a mile or so in each direction strongly supports the APS plan.

Undernrolled with trailers? That’s the only way you get “significantly.”

From all the kids I’m seeing around here, kids which are mysteriously missing from APS’ data, Tuckahoe and Discovery will likely be overcrowded on Day 1. Nottingham won’t be converted back until every single renovation on the books is done and a year-long redistricting is done. Kindergartners will be in HS before anything gets fixed.

Please tell me you’d sign up for overcrowding if it was for the “greater good” but not your kids. Go ahead. Show us how selfless and un-privileged you are.

I signed up for overcrowding as a member of McKinley when we were under renovations and you guys just COULD NOT manage to take on extra planning units. McKinley took them even though we were still having trailers and renovations didn't finish in time so as a PP said we were at approximately 125%. We took them because Nottingham put up a fight -- it was just going to be too hard for you all -- and you said you could not. (Just like you are saying now -- it's going to just be too hard!!) So please don't lecture me about how I wouldn't do something if it benefited the greater good. I would and I have.

Suck it up and deal like everyone else around you does. Tuckahoe and Taylor etc are great schools with great supports.

Planning units from Tuckahoe were moved to both Nottingham and McKinley. McKinley was getting a big new addition and Nottingham was not. So it made sense for McK to get more Tuckahoe kids than Nottingham as the school with more capacity. Nottingham parents are not to blame because APS didn't finish your renovations on time. Please. You need to complain about that to APS. But you won't. You have some irrational vendetta against Nottingham.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Nottingham “community’s concerns” are and historically have in the past been those of a bunch of over privileged richer parents who dig in whenever anything slightly bad is sent their way. Just deal, please, like other school communities have done. Your kids will be fine at Discovery and other nearby schools, and I for one (anndbo suspect many others here) are tired of listening to you whine. Being upset about your kids going to Discovery is really the most ridiculous champagne problem on this board right now.

3 people killed right outside Nottingham isn't my definition of slightly bad, but ok.

Get a couple of crossing guards? Seems like an easy fix?

I mean, people in this neighborhood have been advocating vigorously for ten years now, but sure, there's probably an easy fix that everyone just ignored.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This “highly walkable neighborhood school” has been significantly underenrolled for years. And it’s getting worse, not better with fewer than 50 kids in K. So that data alone combines with the two other “highly walkable” schools within a mile or so in each direction strongly supports the APS plan.

Undernrolled with trailers? That’s the only way you get “significantly.”

From all the kids I’m seeing around here, kids which are mysteriously missing from APS’ data, Tuckahoe and Discovery will likely be overcrowded on Day 1. Nottingham won’t be converted back until every single renovation on the books is done and a year-long redistricting is done. Kindergartners will be in HS before anything gets fixed.

Please tell me you’d sign up for overcrowding if it was for the “greater good” but not your kids. Go ahead. Show us how selfless and un-privileged you are.

I signed up for overcrowding as a member of McKinley when we were under renovations and you guys just COULD NOT manage to take on extra planning units. McKinley took them even though we were still having trailers and renovations didn't finish in time so as a PP said we were at approximately 125%. We took them because Nottingham put up a fight -- it was just going to be too hard for you all -- and you said you could not. (Just like you are saying now -- it's going to just be too hard!!) So please don't lecture me about how I wouldn't do something if it benefited the greater good. I would and I have.

Suck it up and deal like everyone else around you does. Tuckahoe and Taylor etc are great schools with great supports.

Hasn’t this version of events already been debunked upthread?

Nottingham contested that anyone directly pre-zoned from Nottingham was rezoned to McKinley (which was not "debunked" btw, was just protested by someone, and affirmed by someone who knew a Nottingham family who went to McKinley, so *shrug*). NOBODY has contested that McKinley took several planning units that were supposed to be rezoned to Nottingham but Nottingham made a fuss about how it would overcrowd them so instead those PUs went to McKinley's non-finished-building-in-the-middle-of-renovations, classes in trailers, and playground time in the parking lot. When the McKinley renovations finally did open the school was over capacity and kept the trailers for quite a while afterwards.

So when Nottingham complains about how they will be inconvenienced by having their kids walk to another nearby school that is also currently significantly under capacity, or bused to Jamestown which is also really under capacity, I can only hear the tiniest of violins playing for you all. You made this bed for yourselves by working yourselves up into a frenzy with the APE folks about covid closures and sending your kids to private, and being jerks to your neighboring schools over and over and over again. Now your school is underutilized when space is at a premium. Suck it up and deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This “highly walkable neighborhood school” has been significantly underenrolled for years. And it’s getting worse, not better with fewer than 50 kids in K. So that data alone combines with the two other “highly walkable” schools within a mile or so in each direction strongly supports the APS plan.

Undernrolled with trailers? That’s the only way you get “significantly.”

From all the kids I’m seeing around here, kids which are mysteriously missing from APS’ data, Tuckahoe and Discovery will likely be overcrowded on Day 1. Nottingham won’t be converted back until every single renovation on the books is done and a year-long redistricting is done. Kindergartners will be in HS before anything gets fixed.

Please tell me you’d sign up for overcrowding if it was for the “greater good” but not your kids. Go ahead. Show us how selfless and un-privileged you are.

I signed up for overcrowding as a member of McKinley when we were under renovations and you guys just COULD NOT manage to take on extra planning units. McKinley took them even though we were still having trailers and renovations didn't finish in time so as a PP said we were at approximately 125%. We took them because Nottingham put up a fight -- it was just going to be too hard for you all -- and you said you could not. (Just like you are saying now -- it's going to just be too hard!!) So please don't lecture me about how I wouldn't do something if it benefited the greater good. I would and I have.

Suck it up and deal like everyone else around you does. Tuckahoe and Taylor etc are great schools with great supports.

Hasn’t this version of events already been debunked upthread?

Nottingham contested that anyone directly pre-zoned from Nottingham was rezoned to McKinley (which was not "debunked" btw, was just protested by someone, and affirmed by someone who knew a Nottingham family who went to McKinley, so *shrug*). NOBODY has contested that McKinley took several planning units that were supposed to be rezoned to Nottingham but Nottingham made a fuss about how it would overcrowd them so instead those PUs went to McKinley's non-finished-building-in-the-middle-of-renovations, classes in trailers, and playground time in the parking lot. When the McKinley renovations finally did open the school was over capacity and kept the trailers for quite a while afterwards.

So when Nottingham complains about how they will be inconvenienced by having their kids walk to another nearby school that is also currently significantly under capacity, or bused to Jamestown which is also really under capacity, I can only hear the tiniest of violins playing for you all. You made this bed for yourselves by working yourselves up into a frenzy with the APE folks about covid closures and sending your kids to private, and being jerks to your neighboring schools over and over and over again. Now your school is underutilized when space is at a premium. Suck it up and deal.

Man, you have a warped sense of entitlement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This “highly walkable neighborhood school” has been significantly underenrolled for years. And it’s getting worse, not better with fewer than 50 kids in K. So that data alone combines with the two other “highly walkable” schools within a mile or so in each direction strongly supports the APS plan.

Undernrolled with trailers? That’s the only way you get “significantly.”

From all the kids I’m seeing around here, kids which are mysteriously missing from APS’ data, Tuckahoe and Discovery will likely be overcrowded on Day 1. Nottingham won’t be converted back until every single renovation on the books is done and a year-long redistricting is done. Kindergartners will be in HS before anything gets fixed.

Please tell me you’d sign up for overcrowding if it was for the “greater good” but not your kids. Go ahead. Show us how selfless and un-privileged you are.

I signed up for overcrowding as a member of McKinley when we were under renovations and you guys just COULD NOT manage to take on extra planning units. McKinley took them even though we were still having trailers and renovations didn't finish in time so as a PP said we were at approximately 125%. We took them because Nottingham put up a fight -- it was just going to be too hard for you all -- and you said you could not. (Just like you are saying now -- it's going to just be too hard!!) So please don't lecture me about how I wouldn't do something if it benefited the greater good. I would and I have.

Suck it up and deal like everyone else around you does. Tuckahoe and Taylor etc are great schools with great supports.

Hasn’t this version of events already been debunked upthread?

Nottingham contested that anyone directly pre-zoned from Nottingham was rezoned to McKinley (which was not "debunked" btw, was just protested by someone, and affirmed by someone who knew a Nottingham family who went to McKinley, so *shrug*). NOBODY has contested that McKinley took several planning units that were supposed to be rezoned to Nottingham but Nottingham made a fuss about how it would overcrowd them so instead those PUs went to McKinley's non-finished-building-in-the-middle-of-renovations, classes in trailers, and playground time in the parking lot. When the McKinley renovations finally did open the school was over capacity and kept the trailers for quite a while afterwards.

So when Nottingham complains about how they will be inconvenienced by having their kids walk to another nearby school that is also currently significantly under capacity, or bused to Jamestown which is also really under capacity, I can only hear the tiniest of violins playing for you all. You made this bed for yourselves by working yourselves up into a frenzy with the APE folks about covid closures and sending your kids to private, and being jerks to your neighboring schools over and over and over again. Now your school is underutilized when space is at a premium. Suck it up and deal.

Man, you have a warped sense of entitlement.

I'm not the one saying that I'm entitled to keep my neighborhood school running for fewer than 400 kids when it will fit 530, nearby schools have space and are walkable, and the county needs a building just like my school to put other kids in during renovations, but go off.