ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

🤔 I think if the kid is good, the kid is good.

If the kid is good, the kid plays. Coaches don’t make lineups for their team based on birthdays.

On the podcast, ECNL said teams should make lineups based on birthdays and yet don't seem to know them.

Surely you jest
Lineups according to birthday?

That’s perfect. No team can have more than 25% of its players from each birth quarter for games. That way all teams are equally represented and that makes good Oct-Dec players more valuable to clubs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

🤔 I think if the kid is good, the kid is good.

If the kid is good, the kid plays. Coaches don’t make lineups for their team based on birthdays.

On the podcast, ECNL said teams should make lineups based on birthdays and yet don't seem to know them.

Surely you jest
Lineups according to birthday?

That’s perfect. No team can have more than 25% of its players from each birth quarter for games. That way all teams are equally represented and that makes good Oct-Dec players more valuable to clubs.

DUDE THAT MEANS THEY COULD HAVE 4 TEAMS INSTEAD OF 1. Just water it down with a bunch of lower team players and charge them full price. This is genius.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

🤔 I think if the kid is good, the kid is good.

If the kid is good, the kid plays. Coaches don’t make lineups for their team based on birthdays.

People can't accept their kid isn't guaranteed to be top tier because they spent all that money and chased the right labels and badges to keep up with the Jones's

There is ALWAYS someone better. For every Ronaldo, there is a Messi. But I get how it sucks when the person or people better happen to be on the same team as your kid. Hence… this whole debate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

This is the most scared and ignorant post I’ve read here in some time.

Coaches recruit players not teams. Coaches go and watch players who write them and show interest in their programs.

And, trapped players do not miss any league games or showcases.

3 whole months is what they miss of non-existent league play during HS season.

Having all the same grade players on a team is beneficial to college coaches but the trapped player is not cheated a damn thing but convenience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

🤔 I think if the kid is good, the kid is good.

If the kid is good, the kid plays. Coaches don’t make lineups for their team based on birthdays.

On the podcast, ECNL said teams should make lineups based on birthdays and yet don't seem to know them.

Surely you jest
Lineups according to birthday?

That’s perfect. No team can have more than 25% of its players from each birth quarter for games. That way all teams are equally represented and that makes good Oct-Dec players more valuable to clubs.

It's a bit early but obviously the gummies are already being popped

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

🤔 I think if the kid is good, the kid is good.

If the kid is good, the kid plays. Coaches don’t make lineups for their team based on birthdays.

On the podcast, ECNL said teams should make lineups based on birthdays and yet don't seem to know them.

Surely you jest
Lineups according to birthday?

That’s perfect. No team can have more than 25% of its players from each birth quarter for games. That way all teams are equally represented and that makes good Oct-Dec players more valuable to clubs.

Good Oct-Dec kids are already valuable to the clubs…

[Anonymous]

GA will soon hold all the cards..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

🤔 I think if the kid is good, the kid is good.

If the kid is good, the kid plays. Coaches don’t make lineups for their team based on birthdays.

On the podcast, ECNL said teams should make lineups based on birthdays and yet don't seem to know them.

Surely you jest
Lineups according to birthday?

That’s perfect. No team can have more than 25% of its players from each birth quarter for games. That way all teams are equally represented and that makes good Oct-Dec players more valuable to clubs.

Good Oct-Dec kids are already valuable to the clubs…

You mis read, PP said "more."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:GA will soon hold all the cards..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:GA will soon hold all the cards..

Somehow, if GA and MLSN stay BY while ECNL goes SY, I see ECNL advantaged in both boys and girls. The net flow of top players would likely raise the caliber in ECNL in both. ECNL still better than GA, just by more. ECNL still worse than MLSN, just by less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

🤔 I think if the kid is good, the kid is good.

If the kid is good, the kid plays. Coaches don’t make lineups for their team based on birthdays.

On the podcast, ECNL said teams should make lineups based on birthdays and yet don't seem to know them.

Surely you jest
Lineups according to birthday?

That’s perfect. No team can have more than 25% of its players from each birth quarter for games. That way all teams are equally represented and that makes good Oct-Dec players more valuable to clubs.

Good Oct-Dec kids are already valuable to the clubs…

You mis read, PP said "more."

I fail to understand the logic on this. If good Q4 are already valuable and on the teams…how do you make more good? Or more valuable based on equal distribution. It sounds to me like a dilution of talent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:GA will soon hold all the cards..

Somehow, if GA and MLSN stay BY while ECNL goes SY, I see ECNL advantaged in both boys and girls. The net flow of top players would likely raise the caliber in ECNL in both. ECNL still better than GA, just by more. ECNL still worse than MLSN, just by less.

Please walk us through this happy path logic. I don’t see it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

The whole reason they are trying to get the majority of clubs and federations is because club operators don’t want to manage separate system. So having separate gender systems would be too confusing.

If US Club gets the thumbs up it will be for everyone who wants to goto SY.

Does MlS next just stay birth year and do its own thing? We will find out. Although mls next does send the majority of boys to college that’s not what the platform is for.

ECNL is college MLS next is Pro.

Don’t be surprised to see some boys teams leave mls next for ECNL if that means their girls teams can join as well.

Beware of the back door deals.

Hahahahahahahaa....
This may be the dumbest thing posted thus far

I’m just saying if ECNL and us club really goto school year and ECNL becomes more aligned with college recruiting.
I say that as I already know of a few clubs that are thinking this with their GA girls teams.

Not saying that’s the right decision just saying don’t be surprised.

Do ECNL clubs have professional men's teams at the highest level?
Does ECNL represent on the US Youth National Teams?

Are you saying MLS is the “highest” level? lol. I’m not arguing for it being a best decision for the boys. But if a club has the opportunity to double down and get ECNL for girls and us club system is going to SY. Do they want to run two systems and lose out on all the money ECNL would bring to the girls side.

Again not arguing in favor of this .just saying don’t be surprised if teams switch over to not have to deal with two separate systems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

🤔 I think if the kid is good, the kid is good.

If the kid is good, the kid plays. Coaches don’t make lineups for their team based on birthdays.

On the podcast, ECNL said teams should make lineups based on birthdays and yet don't seem to know them.

Surely you jest
Lineups according to birthday?

That’s perfect. No team can have more than 25% of its players from each birth quarter for games. That way all teams are equally represented and that makes good Oct-Dec players more valuable to clubs.

Good Oct-Dec kids are already valuable to the clubs…

You mis read, PP said "more."

I fail to understand the logic on this. If good Q4 are already valuable and on the teams…how do you make more good? Or more valuable based on equal distribution. It sounds to me like a dilution of talent.

The premise would be that currently at the ECNL level kids from Q4 only make up about 12%-15% between boys/girls.

Where Q1 makes up about 50% of teams. This would require clubs to look at a kids birthdate and have to be strategic in how they put a roster together.

Not saying I agree but I think that’s what they are getting at.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GA will soon hold all the cards..

Somehow, if GA and MLSN stay BY while ECNL goes SY, I see ECNL advantaged in both boys and girls. The net flow of top players would likely raise the caliber in ECNL in both. ECNL still better than GA, just by more. ECNL still worse than MLSN, just by less.

Please walk us through this happy path logic. I don’t see it.

I think the best thing for youth soccer should be two separate academy systems. Let ECNL go grad year and let MLS/GA stay birth year. Give families the opportunity to pick what’s their kids best situation.

Also doesn’t mess with tournaments because the mls/GA teams can still play “up” but it won’t matter because according to most the Aug to Dec kids are bad and wouldn’t make the top teams for their school grade anyways.

Let the open market decide what’s best.