ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. If your kid is good enough you will know it and people will be interested. If not, why do you even care about this? You are worried the change might drop your kid from ECNL to RL with the same end result...they aren't getting recruited? Or maybe they can use the new change to move up to the ECNL team and then still not be recruited.

I know we are all looking for advantages in life, but it becomes pretty obvious who the top players are. They are often playing up already.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking youth soccer's main and only goal is to churn out the top 1 percent of players or it's only goal is to get kids college scholarships. Or even that playing in college is every kids goal. 'Cause it isn't.

Then what is your goal and how does it have anything to do with BY and SY? I'm asking if you aren't trying to be at the top then why do you care about this?

All the complaints about BY, other than recruiting, affect kids' experiences. Most kids in travel realize they will not be playing in college, but still want to be their best, play through high school, and have the most fun possible doing so.

The cynical a-hole opinion of the top 1% on here is that if your kid isn't good enough to play college your opinion shouldn't matter. The cynical a-hole opinion of the bottom 99% is that if you need to maintain your RAE advantage just for the privilege of spending $100k on club soccer and getting 20% tuition for a marketing degree at Southwestern Montana Tech, your prize isn't worth sacrificing anyone else's experience.

You can never please everyone no matter when they do the cutoff. Do you know why? Because there will always be a very large portion of parents who think their kids are much better than they really are and will find excuses as to why they aren't making it (whatever that bar is for you). Youth soccer and this thread is filled with delusional parents with kids (who don't work hard enough) wanting something for nothing.

Bitter coach? No matter what field you can start to hate the customers, I sympathize.

Not a coach, but a parent with a top player. He's playing up a year and doing very well. He dominates his teammates in practice, works hours each day outside of practice on his own (practice before practice), and is obsessed with the sport. It is pretty much his life. He eats well and goes to bed at 9 pm every night.

But yet there have been countless parents over his playing time that have thought it was unfair how much attention and playing time he gets. He's earned it the only way you can at the top level. They probably think its RAE not knowing he's a Q4 baby. Their kids don't work nearly as hard because they are apparently too busy or in multiple sports. At one point I was accused of being friends with the coach and influencing his selections. These people will look at anything other than their dear baby as the problem. I'm just so sick of whining parents who aren't getting their kids to take responsibility for their own results.

100% same experience here. Parent of one of the top girls in the country for her age group. So much drama and jealousy of her success, playing up, playing with boys, etc…we’re not a family that works the back channels or plays politics, I hardly ask for anything at any of the teams she plays on, she does her talking on the field.

There is no secrecy, no politics, no magic trainer, no magical birthday, not curated genetics, and not a famous name, behind her success, it’s just dedication to the hard work that shows up in the margins and incrementally accrues, and sacrifices (so many) for her long term goals.

People really don’t realize how hard it is to be the best, and they won’t sacrifice what is necessary for it or the meltdowns in private when she doesn’t achieve what she was working so hard for, nor the next day when she is back at it trying hard than ever. So here we are, complaining about birthdays…and how life is unfair.

My boy didn't start off as a top player...he got into the sport late and had making up to do, but now he's crushing it. And one of the fundamental crossroads that he has faced in his time over and over was meeting players who are better than him. Fortunately, we never allowed him to make excuses (they've been playing longer, are bigger, faster, older) and told him to worry about what he can control. He has worked like a dog to be better than him. That is the only formula to success. I don't think he's ever heard of RAE and we have never talked about it as a Q4 baby...doesn't matter.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. If your kid is good enough you will know it and people will be interested. If not, why do you even care about this? You are worried the change might drop your kid from ECNL to RL with the same end result...they aren't getting recruited? Or maybe they can use the new change to move up to the ECNL team and then still not be recruited.

I know we are all looking for advantages in life, but it becomes pretty obvious who the top players are. They are often playing up already.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking youth soccer's main and only goal is to churn out the top 1 percent of players or it's only goal is to get kids college scholarships. Or even that playing in college is every kids goal. 'Cause it isn't.

Then what is your goal and how does it have anything to do with BY and SY? I'm asking if you aren't trying to be at the top then why do you care about this?

All the complaints about BY, other than recruiting, affect kids' experiences. Most kids in travel realize they will not be playing in college, but still want to be their best, play through high school, and have the most fun possible doing so.

The cynical a-hole opinion of the top 1% on here is that if your kid isn't good enough to play college your opinion shouldn't matter. The cynical a-hole opinion of the bottom 99% is that if you need to maintain your RAE advantage just for the privilege of spending $100k on club soccer and getting 20% tuition for a marketing degree at Southwestern Montana Tech, your prize isn't worth sacrificing anyone else's experience.

You can never please everyone no matter when they do the cutoff. Do you know why? Because there will always be a very large portion of parents who think their kids are much better than they really are and will find excuses as to why they aren't making it (whatever that bar is for you). Youth soccer and this thread is filled with delusional parents with kids (who don't work hard enough) wanting something for nothing.

Bitter coach? No matter what field you can start to hate the customers, I sympathize.

Not a coach, but a parent with a top player. He's playing up a year and doing very well. He dominates his teammates in practice, works hours each day outside of practice on his own (practice before practice), and is obsessed with the sport. It is pretty much his life. He eats well and goes to bed at 9 pm every night.

But yet there have been countless parents over his playing time that have thought it was unfair how much attention and playing time he gets. He's earned it the only way you can at the top level. They probably think its RAE not knowing he's a Q4 baby. Their kids don't work nearly as hard because they are apparently too busy or in multiple sports. At one point I was accused of being friends with the coach and influencing his selections. These people will look at anything other than their dear baby as the problem. I'm just so sick of whining parents who aren't getting their kids to take responsibility for their own results.

100% same experience here. Parent of one of the top girls in the country for her age group. So much drama and jealousy of her success, playing up, playing with boys, etc…we’re not a family that works the back channels or plays politics, I hardly ask for anything at any of the teams she plays on, she does her talking on the field.

There is no secrecy, no politics, no magic trainer, no magical birthday, not curated genetics, and not a famous name, behind her success, it’s just dedication to the hard work that shows up in the margins and incrementally accrues, and sacrifices (so many) for her long term goals.

People really don’t realize how hard it is to be the best, and they won’t sacrifice what is necessary for it or the meltdowns in private when she doesn’t achieve what she was working so hard for, nor the next day when she is back at it trying hard than ever. So here we are, complaining about birthdays…and how life is unfair.

Having been through multiple levels of play as my kid worked up, I can say the cutthroat-ness of the parents seems correlated with elite-ness of the team. I'm sure if you polled parents on this issue at lower levels, the vast majority would say "do what's best for the kids." If you polled parents at the highest levels, way more would say "do what's best for MY kid."

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All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. If your kid is good enough you will know it and people will be interested. If not, why do you even care about this? You are worried the change might drop your kid from ECNL to RL with the same end result...they aren't getting recruited? Or maybe they can use the new change to move up to the ECNL team and then still not be recruited.

I know we are all looking for advantages in life, but it becomes pretty obvious who the top players are. They are often playing up already.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking youth soccer's main and only goal is to churn out the top 1 percent of players or it's only goal is to get kids college scholarships. Or even that playing in college is every kids goal. 'Cause it isn't.

Then what is your goal and how does it have anything to do with BY and SY? I'm asking if you aren't trying to be at the top then why do you care about this?

All the complaints about BY, other than recruiting, affect kids' experiences. Most kids in travel realize they will not be playing in college, but still want to be their best, play through high school, and have the most fun possible doing so.

The cynical a-hole opinion of the top 1% on here is that if your kid isn't good enough to play college your opinion shouldn't matter. The cynical a-hole opinion of the bottom 99% is that if you need to maintain your RAE advantage just for the privilege of spending $100k on club soccer and getting 20% tuition for a marketing degree at Southwestern Montana Tech, your prize isn't worth sacrificing anyone else's experience.

You can never please everyone no matter when they do the cutoff. Do you know why? Because there will always be a very large portion of parents who think their kids are much better than they really are and will find excuses as to why they aren't making it (whatever that bar is for you). Youth soccer and this thread is filled with delusional parents with kids (who don't work hard enough) wanting something for nothing.

Bitter coach? No matter what field you can start to hate the customers, I sympathize.

Not a coach, but a parent with a top player. He's playing up a year and doing very well. He dominates his teammates in practice, works hours each day outside of practice on his own (practice before practice), and is obsessed with the sport. It is pretty much his life. He eats well and goes to bed at 9 pm every night.

But yet there have been countless parents over his playing time that have thought it was unfair how much attention and playing time he gets. He's earned it the only way you can at the top level. They probably think its RAE not knowing he's a Q4 baby. Their kids don't work nearly as hard because they are apparently too busy or in multiple sports. At one point I was accused of being friends with the coach and influencing his selections. These people will look at anything other than their dear baby as the problem. I'm just so sick of whining parents who aren't getting their kids to take responsibility for their own results.

100% same experience here. Parent of one of the top girls in the country for her age group. So much drama and jealousy of her success, playing up, playing with boys, etc…we’re not a family that works the back channels or plays politics, I hardly ask for anything at any of the teams she plays on, she does her talking on the field.

There is no secrecy, no politics, no magic trainer, no magical birthday, not curated genetics, and not a famous name, behind her success, it’s just dedication to the hard work that shows up in the margins and incrementally accrues, and sacrifices (so many) for her long term goals.

People really don’t realize how hard it is to be the best, and they won’t sacrifice what is necessary for it or the meltdowns in private when she doesn’t achieve what she was working so hard for, nor the next day when she is back at it trying hard than ever. So here we are, complaining about birthdays…and how life is unfair.

Having been through multiple levels of play as my kid worked up, I can say the cutthroat-ness of the parents seems correlated with elite-ness of the team. I'm sure if you polled parents on this issue at lower levels, the vast majority would say "do what's best for the kids." If you polled parents at the highest levels, way more would say "do what's best for MY kid."

This is my experiance.. Ive had parents get really angry at my sons repeated sucess to the point of fights on the sideline with other parents demanding I tell the coach its time their kid gets a chance.

Youth soccer in america is gross. Reciently my son moved up a year (now 2 years) and we nievly thought it would solve the jealously issues. It has not.. The new squad of crazy parents sends long emials about how they dont want their kids competing with my son for PT "He should go back to his own age"

Its a mssive s show.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

Yahhh, mosdef… 🫡

I think you’re caught up in the fumes of this thread. If it doesn’t change, life will go on and…nothing will change. ECNL isn’t suddenly going to “look weak” when compared to the federation….its definitional.

They will most definitely look weak and powerless.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. If your kid is good enough you will know it and people will be interested. If not, why do you even care about this? You are worried the change might drop your kid from ECNL to RL with the same end result...they aren't getting recruited? Or maybe they can use the new change to move up to the ECNL team and then still not be recruited.

I know we are all looking for advantages in life, but it becomes pretty obvious who the top players are. They are often playing up already.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking youth soccer's main and only goal is to churn out the top 1 percent of players or it's only goal is to get kids college scholarships. Or even that playing in college is every kids goal. 'Cause it isn't.

Then what is your goal and how does it have anything to do with BY and SY? I'm asking if you aren't trying to be at the top then why do you care about this?

All the complaints about BY, other than recruiting, affect kids' experiences. Most kids in travel realize they will not be playing in college, but still want to be their best, play through high school, and have the most fun possible doing so.

The cynical a-hole opinion of the top 1% on here is that if your kid isn't good enough to play college your opinion shouldn't matter. The cynical a-hole opinion of the bottom 99% is that if you need to maintain your RAE advantage just for the privilege of spending $100k on club soccer and getting 20% tuition for a marketing degree at Southwestern Montana Tech, your prize isn't worth sacrificing anyone else's experience.

You can never please everyone no matter when they do the cutoff. Do you know why? Because there will always be a very large portion of parents who think their kids are much better than they really are and will find excuses as to why they aren't making it (whatever that bar is for you). Youth soccer and this thread is filled with delusional parents with kids (who don't work hard enough) wanting something for nothing.

Bitter coach? No matter what field you can start to hate the customers, I sympathize.

Not a coach, but a parent with a top player. He's playing up a year and doing very well. He dominates his teammates in practice, works hours each day outside of practice on his own (practice before practice), and is obsessed with the sport. It is pretty much his life. He eats well and goes to bed at 9 pm every night.

But yet there have been countless parents over his playing time that have thought it was unfair how much attention and playing time he gets. He's earned it the only way you can at the top level. They probably think its RAE not knowing he's a Q4 baby. Their kids don't work nearly as hard because they are apparently too busy or in multiple sports. At one point I was accused of being friends with the coach and influencing his selections. These people will look at anything other than their dear baby as the problem. I'm just so sick of whining parents who aren't getting their kids to take responsibility for their own results.

100% same experience here. Parent of one of the top girls in the country for her age group. So much drama and jealousy of her success, playing up, playing with boys, etc…we’re not a family that works the back channels or plays politics, I hardly ask for anything at any of the teams she plays on, she does her talking on the field.

There is no secrecy, no politics, no magic trainer, no magical birthday, not curated genetics, and not a famous name, behind her success, it’s just dedication to the hard work that shows up in the margins and incrementally accrues, and sacrifices (so many) for her long term goals.

People really don’t realize how hard it is to be the best, and they won’t sacrifice what is necessary for it or the meltdowns in private when she doesn’t achieve what she was working so hard for, nor the next day when she is back at it trying hard than ever. So here we are, complaining about birthdays…and how life is unfair.

Having been through multiple levels of play as my kid worked up, I can say the cutthroat-ness of the parents seems correlated with elite-ness of the team. I'm sure if you polled parents on this issue at lower levels, the vast majority would say "do what's best for the kids." If you polled parents at the highest levels, way more would say "do what's best for MY kid."

This is my experiance.. Ive had parents get really angry at my sons repeated sucess to the point of fights on the sideline with other parents demanding I tell the coach its time their kid gets a chance.

Youth soccer in america is gross. Reciently my son moved up a year (now 2 years) and we nievly thought it would solve the jealously issues. It has not.. The new squad of crazy parents sends long emials about how they dont want their kids competing with my son for PT "He should go back to his own age"

Its a mssive s show

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Screw them. Write your emails.

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Anonymous wrote:All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

🤔 I think if the kid is good, the kid is good.

If the kid is good, the kid plays. Coaches don’t make lineups for their team based on birthdays.

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Anonymous wrote:All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

He's the same player playing BY or SY
His teammates roster may be different.

Recruiters seeing the same average player.

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Anonymous wrote:All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

🤔 I think if the kid is good, the kid is good.

If the kid is good, the kid plays. Coaches don’t make lineups for their team based on birthdays.

People can't accept their kid isn't guaranteed to be top tier because they spent all that money and chased the right labels and badges to keep up with the Jones's

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

The whole reason they are trying to get the majority of clubs and federations is because club operators don’t want to manage separate system. So having separate gender systems would be too confusing.

If US Club gets the thumbs up it will be for everyone who wants to goto SY.

Does MlS next just stay birth year and do its own thing? We will find out. Although mls next does send the majority of boys to college that’s not what the platform is for.

ECNL is college MLS next is Pro.

Maybe you need to start looking at these men's college rosters
MLS Next has lopsided representation in big programs

I’m pretty sure I said that? If you re read what I wrote. MLS next definitely has the boys market. My point was mls next is a platform to get kids to the pro level. Which birth year with bio banding is probably best for them.

ECNL is a platform to get players to college.

Not saying ECNL players can’t go pro and mls players can’t goto college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

🤔 I think if the kid is good, the kid is good.

If the kid is good, the kid plays. Coaches don’t make lineups for their team based on birthdays.

On the podcast, ECNL said teams should make lineups based on birthdays and yet don't seem to know them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

The whole reason they are trying to get the majority of clubs and federations is because club operators don’t want to manage separate system. So having separate gender systems would be too confusing.

If US Club gets the thumbs up it will be for everyone who wants to goto SY.

Does MlS next just stay birth year and do its own thing? We will find out. Although mls next does send the majority of boys to college that’s not what the platform is for.

ECNL is college MLS next is Pro.

Don’t be surprised to see some boys teams leave mls next for ECNL if that means their girls teams can join as well.

Beware of the back door deals.

Hahahahahahahaa....
This may be the dumbest thing posted thus far

I’m just saying if ECNL and us club really goto school year and ECNL becomes more aligned with college recruiting.
I say that as I already know of a few clubs that are thinking this with their GA girls teams.

Not saying that’s the right decision just saying don’t be surprised.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

🤔 I think if the kid is good, the kid is good.

If the kid is good, the kid plays. Coaches don’t make lineups for their team based on birthdays.

On the podcast, ECNL said teams should make lineups based on birthdays and yet don't seem to know them.

Surely you jest
Lineups according to birthday?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Which one of you DCUMERS can give a list of clubs with:

GA/MLS NEXT
ECNL/MLS NEXT
GA/ECNL

That’s an insane thing to ask for on a national basis. There are so many clubs that fall into one of those 3.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

The whole reason they are trying to get the majority of clubs and federations is because club operators don’t want to manage separate system. So having separate gender systems would be too confusing.

If US Club gets the thumbs up it will be for everyone who wants to goto SY.

Does MlS next just stay birth year and do its own thing? We will find out. Although mls next does send the majority of boys to college that’s not what the platform is for.

ECNL is college MLS next is Pro.

Don’t be surprised to see some boys teams leave mls next for ECNL if that means their girls teams can join as well.

Beware of the back door deals.

Hahahahahahahaa....
This may be the dumbest thing posted thus far

I’m just saying if ECNL and us club really goto school year and ECNL becomes more aligned with college recruiting.
I say that as I already know of a few clubs that are thinking this with their GA girls teams.

Not saying that’s the right decision just saying don’t be surprised.

Do ECNL clubs have professional men's teams at the highest level?
Does ECNL represent on the US Youth National Teams?