ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

The whole reason they are trying to get the majority of clubs and federations is because club operators don’t want to manage separate system. So having separate gender systems would be too confusing.

If US Club gets the thumbs up it will be for everyone who wants to goto SY.

Does MlS next just stay birth year and do its own thing? We will find out. Although mls next does send the majority of boys to college that’s not what the platform is for.

ECNL is college MLS next is Pro.

Don’t be surprised to see some boys teams leave mls next for ECNL if that means their girls teams can join as well.

Beware of the back door deals.

Hahahahahahahaa....
This may be the dumbest thing posted thus far

I’m just saying if ECNL and us club really goto school year and ECNL becomes more aligned with college recruiting.
I say that as I already know of a few clubs that are thinking this with their GA girls teams.

Not saying that’s the right decision just saying don’t be surprised.

Do ECNL clubs have professional men's teams at the highest level?
Does ECNL represent on the US Youth National Teams?

Are you saying MLS is the “highest” level? lol. I’m not arguing for it being a best decision for the boys. But if a club has the opportunity to double down and get ECNL for girls and us club system is going to SY. Do they want to run two systems and lose out on all the money ECNL would bring to the girls side.

Again not arguing in favor of this .just saying don’t be surprised if teams switch over to not have to deal with two separate systems.

I dont think you are understanding that Boys program matters to.

No club would leave MLS Next for ECNL. That is ass backwards

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

The whole reason they are trying to get the majority of clubs and federations is because club operators don’t want to manage separate system. So having separate gender systems would be too confusing.

If US Club gets the thumbs up it will be for everyone who wants to goto SY.

Does MlS next just stay birth year and do its own thing? We will find out. Although mls next does send the majority of boys to college that’s not what the platform is for.

ECNL is college MLS next is Pro.

Don’t be surprised to see some boys teams leave mls next for ECNL if that means their girls teams can join as well.

Beware of the back door deals.

Hahahahahahahaa....
This may be the dumbest thing posted thus far

I’m just saying if ECNL and us club really goto school year and ECNL becomes more aligned with college recruiting.
I say that as I already know of a few clubs that are thinking this with their GA girls teams.

Not saying that’s the right decision just saying don’t be surprised.

Do ECNL clubs have professional men's teams at the highest level?
Does ECNL represent on the US Youth National Teams?

Are you saying MLS is the “highest” level? lol. I’m not arguing for it being a best decision for the boys. But if a club has the opportunity to double down and get ECNL for girls and us club system is going to SY. Do they want to run two systems and lose out on all the money ECNL would bring to the girls side.

Again not arguing in favor of this .just saying don’t be surprised if teams switch over to not have to deal with two separate systems.

I dont think you are understanding that Boys program matters to.

No club would leave MLS Next for ECNL. That is ass backwards

I think you are underestimating how lazy club admins are. Obviously boys teams matter. Boys also make up a majority of the youth player landscape.

Again just don’t be surprised if the option is have your boys and girls team play ECNL which is now aligned with college. Or have a system for your boys a system for your girls and a system for your other youth programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

The whole reason they are trying to get the majority of clubs and federations is because club operators don’t want to manage separate system. So having separate gender systems would be too confusing.

If US Club gets the thumbs up it will be for everyone who wants to goto SY.

Does MlS next just stay birth year and do its own thing? We will find out. Although mls next does send the majority of boys to college that’s not what the platform is for.

ECNL is college MLS next is Pro.

Don’t be surprised to see some boys teams leave mls next for ECNL if that means their girls teams can join as well.

Beware of the back door deals.

Hahahahahahahaa....
This may be the dumbest thing posted thus far

I’m just saying if ECNL and us club really goto school year and ECNL becomes more aligned with college recruiting.
I say that as I already know of a few clubs that are thinking this with their GA girls teams.

Not saying that’s the right decision just saying don’t be surprised.

Do ECNL clubs have professional men's teams at the highest level?
Does ECNL represent on the US Youth National Teams?

Are you saying MLS is the “highest” level? lol. I’m not arguing for it being a best decision for the boys. But if a club has the opportunity to double down and get ECNL for girls and us club system is going to SY. Do they want to run two systems and lose out on all the money ECNL would bring to the girls side.

Again not arguing in favor of this .just saying don’t be surprised if teams switch over to not have to deal with two separate systems.

What's higher than MLS in America?
People keeping secrets from me?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

🤔 I think if the kid is good, the kid is good.

If the kid is good, the kid plays. Coaches don’t make lineups for their team based on birthdays.

On the podcast, ECNL said teams should make lineups based on birthdays and yet don't seem to know them.

Surely you jest
Lineups according to birthday?

That’s perfect. No team can have more than 25% of its players from each birth quarter for games. That way all teams are equally represented and that makes good Oct-Dec players more valuable to clubs.

Good Oct-Dec kids are already valuable to the clubs…

You mis read, PP said "more."

I fail to understand the logic on this. If good Q4 are already valuable and on the teams…how do you make more good? Or more valuable based on equal distribution. It sounds to me like a dilution of talent.

The premise would be that currently at the ECNL level kids from Q4 only make up about 12%-15% between boys/girls.

Where Q1 makes up about 50% of teams. This would require clubs to look at a kids birthdate and have to be strategic in how they put a roster together.

Not saying I agree but I think that’s what they are getting at.

What does how you put a roster together have to do with individual youth development?
Isn't it already by birthdate?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:GA will soon hold all the cards..

Somehow, if GA and MLSN stay BY while ECNL goes SY, I see ECNL advantaged in both boys and girls. The net flow of top players would likely raise the caliber in ECNL in both. ECNL still better than GA, just by more. ECNL still worse than MLSN, just by less.

Please walk us through this happy path logic. I don’t see it.

I think the best thing for youth soccer should be two separate academy systems. Let ECNL go grad year and let MLS/GA stay birth year. Give families the opportunity to pick what’s their kids best situation.

Also doesn’t mess with tournaments because the mls/GA teams can still play “up” but it won’t matter because according to most the Aug to Dec kids are bad and wouldn’t make the top teams for their school grade anyways.

Let the open market decide what’s best.

Hence the thread that US Soccer Culture will never get to where it needs to be.

Reading this nonsense

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

The whole reason they are trying to get the majority of clubs and federations is because club operators don’t want to manage separate system. So having separate gender systems would be too confusing.

If US Club gets the thumbs up it will be for everyone who wants to goto SY.

Does MlS next just stay birth year and do its own thing? We will find out. Although mls next does send the majority of boys to college that’s not what the platform is for.

ECNL is college MLS next is Pro.

Don’t be surprised to see some boys teams leave mls next for ECNL if that means their girls teams can join as well.

Beware of the back door deals.

Hahahahahahahaa....
This may be the dumbest thing posted thus far

I’m just saying if ECNL and us club really goto school year and ECNL becomes more aligned with college recruiting.
I say that as I already know of a few clubs that are thinking this with their GA girls teams.

Not saying that’s the right decision just saying don’t be surprised.

Do ECNL clubs have professional men's teams at the highest level?
Does ECNL represent on the US Youth National Teams?

Are you saying MLS is the “highest” level? lol. I’m not arguing for it being a best decision for the boys. But if a club has the opportunity to double down and get ECNL for girls and us club system is going to SY. Do they want to run two systems and lose out on all the money ECNL would bring to the girls side.

Again not arguing in favor of this .just saying don’t be surprised if teams switch over to not have to deal with two separate systems.

I dont think you are understanding that Boys program matters to.

No club would leave MLS Next for ECNL. That is ass backwards

I think you are underestimating how lazy club admins are. Obviously boys teams matter. Boys also make up a majority of the youth player landscape.

Again just don’t be surprised if the option is have your boys and girls team play ECNL which is now aligned with college. Or have a system for your boys a system for your girls and a system for your other youth programs.

What the hell does aligned with college on the boys side mean?
ECNL is the 4th choice for recruiting

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

The whole reason they are trying to get the majority of clubs and federations is because club operators don’t want to manage separate system. So having separate gender systems would be too confusing.

If US Club gets the thumbs up it will be for everyone who wants to goto SY.

Does MlS next just stay birth year and do its own thing? We will find out. Although mls next does send the majority of boys to college that’s not what the platform is for.

ECNL is college MLS next is Pro.

Don’t be surprised to see some boys teams leave mls next for ECNL if that means their girls teams can join as well.

Beware of the back door deals.

Hahahahahahahaa....
This may be the dumbest thing posted thus far

I’m just saying if ECNL and us club really goto school year and ECNL becomes more aligned with college recruiting.
I say that as I already know of a few clubs that are thinking this with their GA girls teams.

Not saying that’s the right decision just saying don’t be surprised.

Do ECNL clubs have professional men's teams at the highest level?
Does ECNL represent on the US Youth National Teams?

Are you saying MLS is the “highest” level? lol. I’m not arguing for it being a best decision for the boys. But if a club has the opportunity to double down and get ECNL for girls and us club system is going to SY. Do they want to run two systems and lose out on all the money ECNL would bring to the girls side.

Again not arguing in favor of this .just saying don’t be surprised if teams switch over to not have to deal with two separate systems.

I dont think you are understanding that Boys program matters to.

No club would leave MLS Next for ECNL. That is ass backwards

I think you are underestimating how lazy club admins are. Obviously boys teams matter. Boys also make up a majority of the youth player landscape.

Again just don’t be surprised if the option is have your boys and girls team play ECNL which is now aligned with college. Or have a system for your boys a system for your girls and a system for your other youth programs.

What the hell does aligned with college on the boys side mean?
ECNL is the 4th choice for recruiting

He’s got not one clue what he’s talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

The whole reason they are trying to get the majority of clubs and federations is because club operators don’t want to manage separate system. So having separate gender systems would be too confusing.

If US Club gets the thumbs up it will be for everyone who wants to goto SY.

Does MlS next just stay birth year and do its own thing? We will find out. Although mls next does send the majority of boys to college that’s not what the platform is for.

ECNL is college MLS next is Pro.

Don’t be surprised to see some boys teams leave mls next for ECNL if that means their girls teams can join as well.

Beware of the back door deals.

Hahahahahahahaa....
This may be the dumbest thing posted thus far

I’m just saying if ECNL and us club really goto school year and ECNL becomes more aligned with college recruiting.
I say that as I already know of a few clubs that are thinking this with their GA girls teams.

Not saying that’s the right decision just saying don’t be surprised.

Do ECNL clubs have professional men's teams at the highest level?
Does ECNL represent on the US Youth National Teams?

Are you saying MLS is the “highest” level? lol. I’m not arguing for it being a best decision for the boys. But if a club has the opportunity to double down and get ECNL for girls and us club system is going to SY. Do they want to run two systems and lose out on all the money ECNL would bring to the girls side.

Again not arguing in favor of this .just saying don’t be surprised if teams switch over to not have to deal with two separate systems.

I dont think you are understanding that Boys program matters to.

No club would leave MLS Next for ECNL. That is ass backwards

I think you are underestimating how lazy club admins are. Obviously boys teams matter. Boys also make up a majority of the youth player landscape.

Again just don’t be surprised if the option is have your boys and girls team play ECNL which is now aligned with college. Or have a system for your boys a system for your girls and a system for your other youth programs.

What the hell does aligned with college on the boys side mean?
ECNL is the 4th choice for recruiting

I think they are assuming players Aug to Dec would leave mls next to play ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

🤔 I think if the kid is good, the kid is good.

If the kid is good, the kid plays. Coaches don’t make lineups for their team based on birthdays.

On the podcast, ECNL said teams should make lineups based on birthdays and yet don't seem to know them.

Surely you jest
Lineups according to birthday?

That’s perfect. No team can have more than 25% of its players from each birth quarter for games. That way all teams are equally represented and that makes good Oct-Dec players more valuable to clubs.

Good Oct-Dec kids are already valuable to the clubs…

You mis read, PP said "more."

I fail to understand the logic on this. If good Q4 are already valuable and on the teams…how do you make more good? Or more valuable based on equal distribution. It sounds to me like a dilution of talent.

The premise would be that currently at the ECNL level kids from Q4 only make up about 12%-15% between boys/girls.

Where Q1 makes up about 50% of teams. This would require clubs to look at a kids birthdate and have to be strategic in how they put a roster together.

Not saying I agree but I think that’s what they are getting at.

What does how you put a roster together have to do with individual youth development?
Isn't it already by birthdate?

Currently teams are put together as who’s the most developed right now. Which is more often then not is the older kids. If you had an even split it would require coaches to roster and develop the younger players as they would be needed

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

The whole reason they are trying to get the majority of clubs and federations is because club operators don’t want to manage separate system. So having separate gender systems would be too confusing.

If US Club gets the thumbs up it will be for everyone who wants to goto SY.

Does MlS next just stay birth year and do its own thing? We will find out. Although mls next does send the majority of boys to college that’s not what the platform is for.

ECNL is college MLS next is Pro.

Don’t be surprised to see some boys teams leave mls next for ECNL if that means their girls teams can join as well.

Beware of the back door deals.

Hahahahahahahaa....
This may be the dumbest thing posted thus far

I’m just saying if ECNL and us club really goto school year and ECNL becomes more aligned with college recruiting.
I say that as I already know of a few clubs that are thinking this with their GA girls teams.

Not saying that’s the right decision just saying don’t be surprised.

Do ECNL clubs have professional men's teams at the highest level?
Does ECNL represent on the US Youth National Teams?

Are you saying MLS is the “highest” level? lol. I’m not arguing for it being a best decision for the boys. But if a club has the opportunity to double down and get ECNL for girls and us club system is going to SY. Do they want to run two systems and lose out on all the money ECNL would bring to the girls side.

Again not arguing in favor of this .just saying don’t be surprised if teams switch over to not have to deal with two separate systems.

I dont think you are understanding that Boys program matters to.

No club would leave MLS Next for ECNL. That is ass backwards

I think you are underestimating how lazy club admins are. Obviously boys teams matter. Boys also make up a majority of the youth player landscape.

Again just don’t be surprised if the option is have your boys and girls team play ECNL which is now aligned with college. Or have a system for your boys a system for your girls and a system for your other youth programs.

What the hell does aligned with college on the boys side mean?
ECNL is the 4th choice for recruiting

He’s got not one clue what he’s talking about.

Meaning coaches come and watch players based on their graduation year. I don’t agree with that but doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

My kid is a trapped player on a top 40 G2010 team and starts every game + gets more minutes than her teammates most of the time.

No doom and gloom here, thriving. Could and even have played up with 2009 top teams.

Maybe you're the issue. Top players will always get noticed.

You should spend some time with MLSN coaches and players. Playing up 2 age groups is common and expected if players are able.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you guys saying if the kids good trapped or not college coaches will see them is complete crap!

If you have a trapped player on one of the top teams that trapped player isn’t getting the time he would if he played with his school age kids. So even if a coach comes to watch that player playing on a great team against a great team might not show the way he would playing with his school grade. Especially when his team is juniors and he is a sophomore, then you add the late developers physically as well as trapped. The kid is doomed and that’s why most extremely good trapped players don’t continue past u15 cause they are overlooked and mentally affects them and they quit or get pushed to a second team.

🤔 I think if the kid is good, the kid is good.

If the kid is good, the kid plays. Coaches don’t make lineups for their team based on birthdays.

On the podcast, ECNL said teams should make lineups based on birthdays and yet don't seem to know them.

Surely you jest
Lineups according to birthday?

That’s perfect. No team can have more than 25% of its players from each birth quarter for games. That way all teams are equally represented and that makes good Oct-Dec players more valuable to clubs.

Good Oct-Dec kids are already valuable to the clubs…

You mis read, PP said "more."

I fail to understand the logic on this. If good Q4 are already valuable and on the teams…how do you make more good? Or more valuable based on equal distribution. It sounds to me like a dilution of talent.

The premise would be that currently at the ECNL level kids from Q4 only make up about 12%-15% between boys/girls.

Where Q1 makes up about 50% of teams. This would require clubs to look at a kids birthdate and have to be strategic in how they put a roster together.

Not saying I agree but I think that’s what they are getting at.

But this is based on a premise that the birth quarter is the thing of value, not the player themselves. That’s where this all falls apart as an argument.

The “make-up” Q4s (or any other kid) who would be affirmative actioned onto these teams would actually be LESS valuable because of they wouldn’t be good. Clubs would be constantly scouting for replacement players to remove the kids that were forced onto the teams. You’d probably get more playing up opportunities for good players though, so maybe that is a positive externality - but then the year those kids abandon to play up would be a S-show.

[Anonymous]

Change will come. From SD Surf B2011 ECNL, I can see half of the players will be replaced, and 70% of the starters will be replaced by 2010 Q4 NL and RL players, plus some 2010 Q4 outsiders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Change will come. From SD Surf B2011 ECNL, I can see half of the players will be replaced, and 70% of the starters will be replaced by 2010 Q4 NL and RL players, plus some 2010 Q4 outsiders.

Wow.

[Anonymous]

Agree, 104 pages of opinions because the reality may be that this is a chance for trapped RL players to move to grade year and displace bottom third NL players.