ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Yall are nuts if you think the age cutoffs will be different in any of the leagues…

Probably right. But I think people are waiting to see if there will be any variation (8/1 or 9/1) or a waiver type situation. Time will tell.

They can’t. Only two options: 1/1 or 9/1 per USSF…why is this so hard for people to grasp?

You’re wrong go re-read the guidelines they put out they clearly say 1/1,8/1,9/1.

You’re misreading. You’re interpreting “we’re looking at these dates as options” with “these are the options.” USSF published a later decision that only gives two options, 9/1 and 1/1.

Stay 1/1 but allow 5 players born between 7/1 and 12/31 to play down on a 1/1 team.

Gives the same result at 9/1 but makes the SY people even crazier because it allows 7/1 to 9/1.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is an undersized Q1 girl — any girls leagues where I can get on board this biobanding train? I think she’d crush it playing down a year.

The problem is Acadamies aren't looking at players that are biobanding down to play with younger players. These type of players are crash test dummies for the of age kids so they can get a taste of playing against older players.

So while your undersized Q1 girl might be able to "crush" younger players she'll never get moved up to the next level unless she starts playing against players her own age.

What are you talking about? academies aren't looking at players that are biobanding? I'm pretty sure the point of biobanding is for kids who are underdeveloped or undersized to play against kids their own physical age...so they can work on their skills and get playing time with kids of similar skills. If good technically...then she will get bigger and faster and crush it against her BY.

I coached boys/girls While I don't see it much on the girls side...on the boys..the difference between kids that went through puberty is enormous. Generally its size...but also muscles, endurance, and aggressiveness. Its like watching a kid play with adults. In those instances...bio banding makes a lot of sense. The kids playing with adults will definitely learn to play quicker...but the reality is that those kids don't play or have limited minutes. So late puberty means no playing time for a few years.

I also don't get the concern of biobanding. Yes it should not be used for the 6'0 185lb kid 13 year old. How is cheating if the kids are close to the same size and physical development. Its ok for your kid to play against someone 12 months younger...but your kid playing against someone 6 months older is unacceptable (especially if the same size)?

I guess I am looking at development long term...as opposed to winning a tournament/league...so maybe I have a different view.

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Having 3 kids per team playing down is cheating, stigmatizing the kids/parent and not ideal for development, that is why they have B teams.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is an undersized Q1 girl — any girls leagues where I can get on board this biobanding train? I think she’d crush it playing down a year.

The problem is Acadamies aren't looking at players that are biobanding down to play with younger players. These type of players are crash test dummies for the of age kids so they can get a taste of playing against older players.

So while your undersized Q1 girl might be able to "crush" younger players she'll never get moved up to the next level unless she starts playing against players her own age.

What are you talking about? academies aren't looking at players that are biobanding? I'm pretty sure the point of biobanding is for kids who are underdeveloped or undersized to play against kids their own physical age...so they can work on their skills and get playing time with kids of similar skills. If good technically...then she will get bigger and faster and crush it against her BY.

I coached boys/girls While I don't see it much on the girls side...on the boys..the difference between kids that went through puberty is enormous. Generally its size...but also muscles, endurance, and aggressiveness. Its like watching a kid play with adults. In those instances...bio banding makes a lot of sense. The kids playing with adults will definitely learn to play quicker...but the reality is that those kids don't play or have limited minutes. So late puberty means no playing time for a few years.

I also don't get the concern of biobanding. Yes it should not be used for the 6'0 185lb kid 13 year old. How is cheating if the kids are close to the same size and physical development. Its ok for your kid to play against someone 12 months younger...but your kid playing against someone 6 months older is unacceptable (especially if the same size)?

I guess I am looking at development long term...as opposed to winning a tournament/league...so maybe I have a different view.

I said that Acadamies aren't looking at biobanders to help those not familiar understand how Acadamies work.

Going back to the original statement. That with biobanding some parents Q1 player can play down and "crush" younger players. While this might be true it doesn't mean anything. With MLSN all players are trying to work their way onto a spot on an Academy team. Biobanding down for wins will not impress. Playing up against players 1 maybe 2 years older and being dominate will impress.

This is what the girls ECNL hats don't understand. They think being able to play down will make their kid look amazing. When in reality it will put them at the back of the line for being selected to play on an Academy team. (Ie crash test dummy)

However if playing down helps a player to stay on track and they suddenly hit puberty + grow 6 inches its all worth while. But to get noticed they'll need to start playing with their age or playing up.

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Anonymous wrote:Yall are nuts if you think the age cutoffs will be different in any of the leagues…

You mean like MLSN right now?

Everything is 1/1 now till 2026. wtf are you talking about?

Then why is there a Jan 2010 on my son’s 2011 team?

That doesn't even make any sense... the 10s that would be on 11 teams would be Q4.

You’re confused my friend. Currently the rules allow kids to bioband down a year in MLSN. Hence my son’s goalie is a January 2010 playing on the U14 MLSN team. Have a few others but most are the later part of the year.

Got it, I am aware of bio banding in MLSN... I just needed a bit more context beyond "then why is there a Jan 2010 on my son's 2011 team" ... Especially in an "ECNL is moving to school year not calender" forum discussion. I got it though, subject matter tends to meander.

True that. This forum has not evolved into a ECNL, GA, MLSN SY forum.

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Biobanding is not fair to players playing in their own age groups and can otherwise have a lot of playing time and do well, if the biobanders are not to play down and replace them. I have seen Q1 and Q2 boys of the older age group taking substantial playing time of the Q4 boys. The age gap can be more than 15 months. In this case, playing time is being taken from those Q4 players who are actually more promising to those who want to play top teams but can't quite make it in their own age groups....

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Anonymous wrote:Biobanding is not fair to players playing in their own age groups and can otherwise have a lot of playing time and do well, if the biobanders are not to play down and replace them. I have seen Q1 and Q2 boys of the older age group taking substantial playing time of the Q4 boys. The age gap can be more than 15 months. In this case, playing time is being taken from those Q4 players who are actually more promising to those who want to play top teams but can't quite make it in their own age groups....

Same argument for kids that play up. Life’s not fair.

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Fair if everybody on the team is within 12 months of age.

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Anonymous wrote:Fair if everybody on the team is within 12 months of age.

Have you not learned anything from the 1000+ pages?! People will bit*h about that too!!

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Anonymous wrote:Fair if everybody on the team is within 12 months of age.

Have you not learned anything from the 1000+ pages?! People will bit*h about that too!!

So true hahahah...

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Anonymous wrote:Yall are nuts if you think the age cutoffs will be different in any of the leagues…

You mean like MLSN right now?

Everything is 1/1 now till 2026. wtf are you talking about?

Then why is there a Jan 2010 on my son’s 2011 team?

That doesn't even make any sense... the 10s that would be on 11 teams would be Q4.

There is a biobanding player who is 20 months older than my son.

Just wait until they get into HS, that could grow to almost 4 years!

You are misleading here. First, HS usually has three teams, and seniors play on the Varsity team. So if a freshman is outstanding, he can play in Varsity instead of the Freshman team. This is a play-up, not a senior play-down, in the Freshman team. Biobanding is an older player who plays one year down.

A lot of schools have just 1 team or maybe 2, depending on size and popularity of soccer in any given area vs. competing sports.

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Anonymous wrote:Yall are nuts if you think the age cutoffs will be different in any of the leagues…

You mean like MLSN right now?

Everything is 1/1 now till 2026. wtf are you talking about?

Then why is there a Jan 2010 on my son’s 2011 team?

That doesn't even make any sense... the 10s that would be on 11 teams would be Q4.

There is a biobanding player who is 20 months older than my son.

Just wait until they get into HS, that could grow to almost 4 years!

You are misleading here. First, HS usually has three teams, and seniors play on the Varsity team. So if a freshman is outstanding, he can play in Varsity instead of the Freshman team. This is a play-up, not a senior play-down, in the Freshman team. Biobanding is an older player who plays one year down.

No, just pointing out that kids in HS often see large age differences when people are shocked/concerned about age differences that are far less.

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Anonymous wrote:Yall are nuts if you think the age cutoffs will be different in any of the leagues…

You mean like MLSN right now?

Everything is 1/1 now till 2026. wtf are you talking about?

Then why is there a Jan 2010 on my son’s 2011 team?

That doesn't even make any sense... the 10s that would be on 11 teams would be Q4.

There is a biobanding player who is 20 months older than my son.

Just wait until they get into HS, that could grow to almost 4 years!

You are misleading here. First, HS usually has three teams, and seniors play on the Varsity team. So if a freshman is outstanding, he can play in Varsity instead of the Freshman team. This is a play-up, not a senior play-down, in the Freshman team. Biobanding is an older player who plays one year down.

Yeah? and what they said still holds true - Seniors can't play on the freshman or JV team (at least I hope not). It's still optionally playing up, but you can never play down.

A lot of schools have just 1 team or maybe 2, depending on size and popularity of soccer in any given area vs. competing sports.

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Back on topic. "Trish" told me she was announcing tomorrow.

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Anonymous wrote:Back on topic. "Trish" told me she was announcing tomorrow.

For real this time!?!?!