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Anonymous wrote:G2016 was speaking with another parent this weekend about the BY the SY change. He said its weird. I asked why he thinks its weird. He said my kid is an August birthday. I said wouldn't that make your kid the oldest on a SY team? My kid is a july birthday shes screwed. He said its weird that my daughter would be playing on a team with players that are a year behind her in school. I said if you think that it's weird just tell your club that you're not paying unless shes on a team with players her grade.
Interesting exchange you could tell he instinctively knew that playing down was an issue. But he couldnt figure out why. His oldest is being recruited for swimming right so Im sure he'll put the pieces together reguarding his youngest and playing on the correct grade team.
In summary, you finally met someone with an child with an August birthday but couldn't convince them that they should kick and scream to have their kid to play up because they are special, not based on skill but because they are special. And this person didn't buy it. That would check out
I'm the person that wrote this.
I was just trying to listen to see what they were thinking. I thought it was interesting to hear their perspective. I specifically thought it was interesting that they thought it was weird for their kid to play down on a team with younger grade in school players.
You seem to have issues.
Not believable. They didn't have a problem with their daughter playing on age, just thought it was a little odd, and then you told them to go to the club and demand that they allow the girl to play up an age group. That isn't just listening.
Maybe, but the word they used was "weird" not "a little odd" and I know this guy he's 100% into his older kid getting recruited to swim in college. He said weird because playing down a grade goes against everything he's researched for his older kid. I did tell him to tell the club if he wants his kid to play with their grade. He pays the bills. You dont have to be in a weird situation just because some coach wants a big kid on their g2016 team.
The travel club doesn't care about a kids grade
Only their age and skills
That is where you're wrong.
Parents foot the bill so its up to them to protect their Aug birthday kids from being exploited by clubs/coaches playing down for short term wins vs playing with their grade for long term development and college recruiting.
If I'm a coach, no parent can tell me to take their kid to play up on my team if they lack the quality just because of school grade
Yeah, some parents may get their moronic request to play up. Then the coach doesn't play the kid so the kid quits.
Only the dumb parents ask for their kid to play up if they aren't ready and it has nothing to do with grades.
Hahaha nobody ever since the beginning of time has ever had an issue with players asking to play with players their grade.
Nice try though.
Coaches and teams absolutely hold it against kids when parents ask for special treatment.
So special treatment is asking to play with kids in your grade?
You are insane.
No serious coach or club will entertain a request for a player to play up if that player doesn't have the quality to do so.
None
Every club will let a player play with kids their grade if they're an August birthday and a grade older.
No club is going to force a player to participate in a way that is against what they want to do.
Again, nice try though.
This is where rubber meets road. Kids will just quit if you force them into a situation they don't want. It's not worth the time OR money, especially if it means joining a new team after playing with the same people for years.
What is unfortunate is this transition is going to put people into situations that won't give them good choices. Older players who want to play up to stay on grade may have to see less playing time or drop to a lower team VS. joining a team with a bunch of people they really don't know/perhaps less experienced/skilled who might resent the playing time THEY take as a stronger player. I mean, maybe some good life lessons here BUT this is why, IMO, they should have phased in the switch with younger teams first and left the HS ages alone.
People talk like this is Kindergarten social groups play-dates
Tell your kid this is how the real world works and what they will face as adults
The cutoff has changed to 8/1 and this is your new age group.
Go to training and put in the work or be a quitter
Yep, and clubs will have to face the adult reality of fewer customers if they manage things poorly.
Your sense of entitlement has removed all objective logical reality from your mind
Imagine seriously thinking your kid should be on a MLS Next team because of their birth month and demand this of a club
What's out-of-whack is thinking every soccer parent thinks their kid is going to be a college star. Some parents just want a club they've played at for most of their lives to treat them fairly. Nothing more and if they don't, they'll struggle with their bottom line, because those kids and families will move on as they should.
Clubs have been making decisions forever that pains many entitled parents who think little Chad and Lizzy should get whatever they want because they pay the fees
The clubs are still thriving even after you left
By fairly, you mean in your favor to your liking
Clubs thriving? In the time I've watched this space, I've seen plenty of clubs go out of business or have to merge with others. I guess you missed all that. Ignore market forces at your peril.
You're claiming normal market behavior as a feather in your argument cap?
Banks fail, merge
Software companies fail, merge
Hospitals fail, merge
Airlines fail, merge
Nothing you say will make your kid playing up a reality if they're not good enough to do so. Which they're obviously not or you wouldn't be politicking for same grade teams
If Aug birthdays aren't good enough for the correct grade A team welcome to the correct grade B team. Pretty simple
Except you would have to find a team willing to break their own rules to let a non star to play up if it exists. Or find a team to play on age
That makes no sense. The B team is players not good enough for the A team.
We'll be soon seeing a TON of B team players from Aug-Dec born join A teams. Bank on it!
Their B team skills gonna improve overnight?
Not the poster you are replying to, but yes they will improve RELATIVELY overnight when matched against the different age cohort. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you (yes the magnitude of course it depends on the specific age group)
This depends a lot on age, but our ECNL club jumped the gun with the top teams and went ahead and made the new age groups a year early for the u-littles since they can all just play up anyway and the 5th grade girls and boys top teams which are now a mixture of fall 14s and early 15s, have 3-4 players that were formerly on the 2014 B teams. The 2014 A teams each had literally 0 fall birthday 14s on them (not a coincidence btw) and the 2014 B teams were chock full of fall birthday kids. Those kids dropped down an age group and are now the top players on the 14/15 A teams. Both genders.
I have older kids too, and while they haven't made the new age groups yet it definitely seems harder to imagine the same things happening in those age groups, especially the girls where puberty has basically equalized everyone and the effect of RAE have already been baked in, so that B team kids have B team skills regardless of their ages, but at the younger kids level its is dramatic. My own kid went from one of the best on the B team, sort of many possibly a potentially A team bench player, to always starting, play all the minutes, one of the strongest players on the A team in her new age group. I guess YMMV, but I'm watching it happen, and it's honestly been surprising how different it is.
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